solid criticism of the no fap movement

[Spider]

Regardless of whether or not you believe the claims that porn fucks with the dopamine levels in your brain, you should be able to figure out for yourself whether watching porn is benefiting you.

For me, it definitely doesn't benefit me.

I've noticed that when I am watching a lot of porn, banging a new girl is never as satisfying...I can't help but subconsciously compare her to Jenna Haze, and feel like damn - she's not as hot as the girls I prefer busting a nut to (girls in porn).

When I abstain from porn for weeks on end, the feeling of being with a new girl is much more satisfying. She doesn't have to be the hottest girl ever, but as long as she's cute I'm happy to have her in front of me, naked, asking for sex.

Mentioned earlier, from an evolutionary standpoint, this makes sense. If I am constantly being exposed to the hottest naked chicks the internet has to offer, being with a decent or even good looking girl might mean less.

When you haven't seen a naked girl in days, or weeks, finally obtaining it (without having jerked off two times earlier in the day to Jenavive Jolie getting railed in the ass) is MUCH more gratifying.

 

[w00t]

@scorpion

Well weak minded people get addicted to all kinds of stuff. Food, tv, gambling ... that doesnt mean a thing is bad in itself. Lots of people can handle those things just fine.
And that behavioural patterns emerge in the brain is a bit different than saying porn damages your dopaminergic system. Huge difference actually. And again how is it the same like hard drug addiction? Its not the same at all. Hard drugs can kill you.

You say there is nothing natural about watching lots of beautiful naked women. Yeah so? When I watch action movies tons of people get killed thats not natural either. But thats not a problem while porn is? This whole line of reasoning doesnt make any sense to me. Its just the same discussion we had 20 years ago or sth when people were freaking out over violent movies, music and video games and now its porn.

I could throw the solipsistic comment right back at you, just because YOU have a problem doesnt mean everbodye else is gonna have problem with it too. There are tons of people who watch porn and have no problem with it. There are also tons of people online who think if they just quit porn their lifes will magically turn around. The whole thing has become yet another magic pill.

Like I said I have no problem with people quitting porn if they think its a problem for them. What I do have a problem with is all this hysterical stuff that has absolutely no foundation in reality. Like comparing it to hard drugs or saying it damages your dopaminergic system. And no I wouldnt become an alcoholic with an unlimited supply because a) I got self control and b) I dont even like alcohol that much.

 

[Brodiaga]

If you don't understand how porn can fuck up your brain then you're not thinking very clearly.

Your brain did not evolve to handle seeing dozens or hundreds of beautiful young women naked and getting fucked on demand. That's sexual overload. You become desensitized to it over time, and it distorts the way you view sex and relationships with women in your real life.

Porn basically gives your brain a visual reward that's completely out of line with your effort to earn it. In order to see a beautiful, young naked girl getting fucked, for most of human history a man had to be the one fucking that girl, so he had to put in all the effort that went along with doing so. With porn, you simply click a link, and you can watch beautiful girls getting fucked until your dick falls off. But you didn't earn it. You're just sitting at home in front of your computer. You didn't actually fuck that girl, you watched some other dude fuck her.

Porn basically trains a man to be sexually passive. Watching porn will always be easier and more tempting than putting in the work to fuck a hot girl in real life. And a lot of guys get hooked on it for that reason, the same way they get hooked on drugs.

The same thing can be said about sex if you're not trying to conceive a child. Sex without pro-creation is meaningless, so is watching porn.

 

[Nemencine]

the same thing can be said about VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES....how it is a passive form of actual, real life violence and gore and horrific killings and explosion....

the structure of your argument is:

1.1. Your brain is not used to "X", unless you do something active to get "X".
X in the case being a beautiful women.
1.2. If you started getting an approximation of "X" through passive means(watching porn)...you will experience an overload...that means you become desensitized towards "x".


From that....one can run down the rabbit hole:

Your brain is not used to "seeing many ridiculously successful people"...seeing movies or reading books about their biographies...overload your brain...therefore, desensitized you towards having ambition......

If you don't understand how porn can fuck up your brain then you're not thinking very clearly.

Your brain did not evolve to handle seeing dozens or hundreds of beautiful young women naked and getting fucked on demand. That's sexual overload. You become desensitized to it over time, and it distorts the way you view sex and relationships with women in your real life.

Porn basically gives your brain a visual reward that's completely out of line with your effort to earn it. In order to see a beautiful, young naked girl getting fucked, for most of human history a man had to be the one fucking that girl, so he had to put in all the effort that went along with doing so. With porn, you simply click a link, and you can watch beautiful girls getting fucked until your dick falls off. But you didn't earn it. You're just sitting at home in front of your computer. You didn't actually fuck that girl, you watched some other dude fuck her.

Porn basically trains a man to be sexually passive. Watching porn will always be easier and more tempting than putting in the work to fuck a hot girl in real life. And a lot of guys get hooked on it for that reason, the same way they get hooked on drugs.

 

[scorpion]

Nemencine, you're actually completely right. The comparison to violent video games is exact. The same way that violent video games act as an outlet for male aggression, porn acts as an outlet for sexual desire. However, in both cases, the man is simply sitting alone in his chair. He isn't actually doing anything in real life. In moderation, both of these things are harmless. But it's easy for guys to become obsessed with either of them, just because the biological rewards (the dopamine hits) are so out of line with the actual effort expended (sitting in your chair).

Imagine you had the magical power to summon beautiful women on demand for sex. How much effort would you put into developing yourself as a man if that was the case? Much less than you would otherwise, because you simply wouldn't have the incentive. Why would you bother to spend hours at the bar to take home a 7 when you could summon a perfect 10 for no effort? Only a fool would do so.

Porn is basically a lesser version of that power. It allows guys to access virtual sex with beautiful women with no effort on their part. It encourages laziness and apathy toward the pursuit of women, which is what underlies all male achievement. It allows men a sexual outlet that our brains didn't evolve to handle.

 

[Ensam]

Yeah, it's basically the same problem as P4P. If you're down with paying for sex then it becomes to easy to just say fuck it and get an escort. Not every guy is going to have that problem, but many will. Some dudes can handle porn in moderation, others can't. Just like gambling and junk food.

 

[iknowexactly]

Umm, I don't get why a Dr's opinion on masturbation is more qualified than anyone elses.

People overestimate the value of authority.

And as we can see by the many alternate anecdotes, this guys experience is hardly a universal. Apparently different strokes for different dicks.

He's had thousands of guys tell him about their cocks, balls and health problem. Unless someone is a male prostitute, no one will have nearly as large a database on which to base an opinion.

Oh, and several years of study, knowing exactly how every detail of the genitals work, proven by testing to get his certification as a urologist.

People underestimate the value of guided , thorough study.

 

[xsplat]

Umm, I don't get why a Dr's opinion on masturbation is more qualified than anyone elses.

People overestimate the value of authority.

And as we can see by the many alternate anecdotes, this guys experience is hardly a universal. Apparently different strokes for different dicks.

He's had thousands of guys tell him about their cocks, balls and health problem. Unless someone is a male prostitute, no one will have nearly as large a database on which to base an opinion.

Oh, and several years of study, knowing exactly how every detail of the genitals work, proven by testing to get his certification as a urologist.

People underestimate the value of guided , thorough study.

Ya, that's a good point - he'd be in a good position to gather data. I wonder if that was it or if it was just guesswork though. I wonder how one would go about getting a clinical trial for masturbation set up.

 

[TranceOnQ]

I'm on day 75 of this No Fap thing. I honestly thought it was bullshit before I did it. But in the last 2 weeks, I was asked out on dates on two separate occasions - 1 Romanian and 1 Polish girl. I can honestly say this rarely happens to me. I am also noticing a lot more interest from women in general. Take it for what its worth.....it wont hurt to try this.

 

[heavy]

Your brain is not used to "seeing many ridiculously successful people"...seeing movies or reading books about their biographies...overload your brain...therefore, desensitized you towards having ambition......

Interesting example. Never thought about that one.

 

[Hades]

As an addendum, porn in general is worthless to men, and I don't personally use it anymore. Still, that is no reason not to jerk off.

 

[AlonzoNites]

Do that for 5 years and see how good you can fuck lol...

The more pussy i got the less i needed porn.
the more pussy i got the less i needed to jack off. I'd just jack off on a chick man.
BUT the more porn i watched the more I jack off. The more i jack off the less pussy i got. I couldn't fuck as good. Horrible staying power, needed a drink to get hard...you can see how that gets destructive right?

Sexual discipline is cool but dont abstain from sex with women thats stupid. You NEED TO HAVE SEX!
Thats what your dick is for. Thats why pussy feels good.
Notfapping is cool. But see what happens when a girl hits your bed. You'll spray quick as a fire hose. You NEED to learn how to have sex with a woman by having sex with a woman...simple man.

They made porn to make you jack off. Quitting porn and still jacking off is stupid lol. THINK ABOUT IT!
"I'm not gonna watch porn but I'm still gonna jack off!"
You trying to build an imagination?!
Lmao