Sperm count at lowest ever for Western Men
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Fortis said:
You want shitty, stressful, low-paying, long hour jobs and bleak outlook on the future? try working in a coal mine 14hrs/day, 7days/wk and living on bread, beer and potatoes. Yet our European industrial revolution forefathers had no problem whatsoever with their fertility.
It's mostly the modern chemical soup we bathe in.
John Michael Kane
Crow
I think the scaling down of T in married men can largely be attributed to the fact that married men become fathers, which causes lack of sleep with crying babies, and also less time to spend with their buddies exercising. I'm not sure that being married itself causes lower T, but rather the conditions that often come with marriage unless a man takes measure to avoid the T drop. I'm sure that there are many men, myself included, that when in a happy relationship, we don't notice any drop in T or sex drive.
John Michael Kane said:
I think the married men T-count drops are irrelevant - men used to become fathers early on in the past and they got 7 more kids up to their 40s. We have to look at conditions that are known to impact sperm-count and not make up stuff like too much sitting - as if the early middle class was not sitting as well in their desk jobs.
John Michael Kane
Crow
I think the biggest harm that we can attribute to modern life is just how many chemicals there are in everything. Plastics. Fire retardants. Packaging materials. Paints. There needs to be a push to reduce the VOC counts of consumer products.
I suggest all men sign up for and read this site regularly: http://www.ewg.org/
Great overall info on chemicals in our environment and the health effects of them, how to limit the effects and also advocacy to take action to make a change.
I suggest all men sign up for and read this site regularly: http://www.ewg.org/
Great overall info on chemicals in our environment and the health effects of them, how to limit the effects and also advocacy to take action to make a change.
A low sperm count is a thing, but it only takes one of those little bastards to get in there to make a baby!
We cant afford to let one of those bastards to get in here
We cant afford to let one of those bastards to get in here
911 said:
Chemicals are a part of it, but our lifestyle is also a part of it as well. I guarantee you a ugy who works a highpaying, satisfying job with a beautiful gf/wife to come home to is going to have far higher sperm count than the Omega I outlined above.
Also your European Forefathers had way bigger problems anyway. Namely not dying of lung cancer from the mines. Also, we don't know what their hormone levels were, but we do know that stressful, hopeless living kills. I'd be interested in seeing how many pre-human rights factory workers lived long enough to have children. Something tells me the numbers would be lower than we'd think.
Fortis said:
Both parts are very relevant. Lifestyle and chemical. Look at Mexicans. I think it was Tuthmosis that once pointed out that even though Mexican's had the worst diabetes and obesity rates, they still lived longer than their black and white counterparts, because they had happier lifestyles. I think he cited that the men were always chill as fuck. When I look back at my grandparents, despite the negative political landscape they grew up in, they were WAY happier than my parents by a very large factor.
We all have to take stress management classes and training these days, because no one knows how to chill the fuck out anymore. Porn and electronics like TV does not relieve stress contrary to what people think it does. Getting away from Christ, as a society, makes us forget why we are here and lose purpose. Lack of purpose hurts the drive, which allows depression to set it. It's all a giant snowball. Depression rates are super high and rising every year as well and that is chemical based imbalances in the brain.
If I recall correctly, aren't the oldest T levels collected around 40-ish years old? They were higher than ours on average when I last saw them. Infertility was not quite as common back then as it is nowadays. There are fertility clinics everywhere these days. It's huge business. Even though smoking and heavy drinking drops sperm cell counts, we have more sinister things in our air and water that they may not have had, and like Kosko posted, their food was better than ours. When it is not fucked with, food is your medicine. If most of us do not smoke anymore and drinking is the same or less than our ancestors, we definately introduced alot more issues into our environment, than before.
Stress simply does not compute and neither does shitty work-conditions. Workplace happiness is good, but ultimately bullshit as well.
The Japanese have some of the most draconian work conditions out there and they still by far outlive almost anyone. The Kubans outlive the Americans. US Americans have terrible life expectancy not because of too much stress, but the chemical food-soup, now the legion of vaccines, the idiotic for-pharma predatory health care system and other gimmicks like fluoride in the water etc.
You have to stop finding reasons like the Huffpo writers who blame TV and other crap, but look at the facts like Bisphenols, GMOs, food additives etc. Those have changed dramatically in the last 50 years and they are very likely to blame.
And you can also deduct the following: IF NO ONE ABOVE IS ALARMED ABOUT IT THEN IT IS DONE ON PURPOSE AND THEY KNOW WHAT IS CAUSING IT. And they will give you bullshit reasons like stress, sedentary lifestyle, watching TV or surfing too much on the internet. It will be everything except the things that are actually causing it at levels above 95%.
The Japanese have some of the most draconian work conditions out there and they still by far outlive almost anyone. The Kubans outlive the Americans. US Americans have terrible life expectancy not because of too much stress, but the chemical food-soup, now the legion of vaccines, the idiotic for-pharma predatory health care system and other gimmicks like fluoride in the water etc.
You have to stop finding reasons like the Huffpo writers who blame TV and other crap, but look at the facts like Bisphenols, GMOs, food additives etc. Those have changed dramatically in the last 50 years and they are very likely to blame.
And you can also deduct the following: IF NO ONE ABOVE IS ALARMED ABOUT IT THEN IT IS DONE ON PURPOSE AND THEY KNOW WHAT IS CAUSING IT. And they will give you bullshit reasons like stress, sedentary lifestyle, watching TV or surfing too much on the internet. It will be everything except the things that are actually causing it at levels above 95%.
Zel it has a ton of contributing causes. If stress weakens and thins your blood vessels, floods your body with cortisol, and literally takes years off your lifespan. No doubt it does not help your T levels, which can contribute to the low sperm count.
Also, hard work is not the same thing as stress. You can work hard as fuck and still be mentally at ease because of your state of mind, your ethos, your culture, religious beliefs, etc. Most stress is mental and dependent upon the individual. What stresses one guy may not bother another.
Dudes are popping DIM pills to kill phyto estrogens off the stomach, cutting sugar, avoiding soy, taking stacks that include zinc with 2% copper and vitamin D. Others are going the synthetic route plus all that shit. Now dudes are going plastic free and going stoneware and metal. All just to counteract our bullshit environment and societal causes. Next year, someone might find something else new for us to add to our already bloated male vitality stacks of supplements and pills we take everyday. The Chinese been sipping vials of ginseng, herbs, lingzhi (ganoderma), dried seahorse, etc. for hundreds of years to keep themselves optimal, yet they cannot even explain how any of that shit works on a molecular level.
Going off the grid? Pfffft. Going off the DeepSoy is now the trend.
There is no one cause to this problem. Endocrine/hormone issues will be gorilla in the room health issue for several more decades perhaps. It was little understood back then, and today is honestly not much better either.
Also, hard work is not the same thing as stress. You can work hard as fuck and still be mentally at ease because of your state of mind, your ethos, your culture, religious beliefs, etc. Most stress is mental and dependent upon the individual. What stresses one guy may not bother another.
Dudes are popping DIM pills to kill phyto estrogens off the stomach, cutting sugar, avoiding soy, taking stacks that include zinc with 2% copper and vitamin D. Others are going the synthetic route plus all that shit. Now dudes are going plastic free and going stoneware and metal. All just to counteract our bullshit environment and societal causes. Next year, someone might find something else new for us to add to our already bloated male vitality stacks of supplements and pills we take everyday. The Chinese been sipping vials of ginseng, herbs, lingzhi (ganoderma), dried seahorse, etc. for hundreds of years to keep themselves optimal, yet they cannot even explain how any of that shit works on a molecular level.
Going off the grid? Pfffft. Going off the DeepSoy is now the trend.
There is no one cause to this problem. Endocrine/hormone issues will be gorilla in the room health issue for several more decades perhaps. It was little understood back then, and today is honestly not much better either.
Winning is great for your testosterone.
Won a bruising best of three clay court tennis match the other day. We both consistent so I had to hit hard to put winners past my opponent.
Come from behind victory, felt like a champ all evening and following day
Won a bruising best of three clay court tennis match the other day. We both consistent so I had to hit hard to put winners past my opponent.
Come from behind victory, felt like a champ all evening and following day
oilbreh said:
Outside of my wheelhouse bro. Maybe one of the biology or chemist bros will know.
It's the chemicals numbnuts. Not lifestyle, not stress, and especially not marriage.
Want proof that chemicals can cause lowered test counts? Try this cologne:
http://www.truepheromones.com/true-...hip-building-pheromones-for-men-a-top-seller/
The chemical Methoxyestratraenone is a nasty estrogenic compound that makes women have butterflies, but lowers testosterone. It's super estrogenic if you use it over a period of several weeks.
Death by a thousand cuts when it comes to estrogenic compounds.
Want proof that chemicals can cause lowered test counts? Try this cologne:
http://www.truepheromones.com/true-...hip-building-pheromones-for-men-a-top-seller/
The chemical Methoxyestratraenone is a nasty estrogenic compound that makes women have butterflies, but lowers testosterone. It's super estrogenic if you use it over a period of several weeks.
Death by a thousand cuts when it comes to estrogenic compounds.
The Beast1 said:
Interesting product - you could spray your clothes with it or best right into her mouth - heh.
Constitution45
Pelican
Aside from food products and physical causes, a lot of this must be physiological.
Many things that we take for granted when being younger, i.e. playing physical sports, having groups of male friends that we can have a laugh with. We need to make more of an effort to require when we are older. It is still possible and I believe when you are in your mid 20s and above you can obtain optimal higher levels of testosterone. Simply due to having more resources at hand but a lot of men slip into the pattern that goes the complete opposite way.
Your environment needs to be a massive contributor. Recently I was feeling very down and deflated despite actually doing well in most aspects of my life. I sussed out that this must be due to a physical reason. Sure enough I changed my diet recently, stopped drinking as much alcohol when out with people. Move into eating berries and intermittent fasting. Instantly within two days I got my drive back and noticed that I started regaining some hair growth where it was previously thinning.
Not giving a fuck as much when it comes to work and other things that usually places unhelpful pressure on you is a good way to reduce stress as well.
Many things that we take for granted when being younger, i.e. playing physical sports, having groups of male friends that we can have a laugh with. We need to make more of an effort to require when we are older. It is still possible and I believe when you are in your mid 20s and above you can obtain optimal higher levels of testosterone. Simply due to having more resources at hand but a lot of men slip into the pattern that goes the complete opposite way.
Your environment needs to be a massive contributor. Recently I was feeling very down and deflated despite actually doing well in most aspects of my life. I sussed out that this must be due to a physical reason. Sure enough I changed my diet recently, stopped drinking as much alcohol when out with people. Move into eating berries and intermittent fasting. Instantly within two days I got my drive back and noticed that I started regaining some hair growth where it was previously thinning.
Not giving a fuck as much when it comes to work and other things that usually places unhelpful pressure on you is a good way to reduce stress as well.
I'm sure this is not only happening in the West, but probably in China, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea as well.
The reason is multi-factorial.
As others have mentioned, it's a combination is crappy diets loaded with preservatives and sugar, lack of exercise and competitive sports, lack of male friendship circles, breakdown of families and the prevalence of smart phones.
The reason is multi-factorial.
As others have mentioned, it's a combination is crappy diets loaded with preservatives and sugar, lack of exercise and competitive sports, lack of male friendship circles, breakdown of families and the prevalence of smart phones.
Jan Irvin (Gnostic Media/Unspun) interviews Curtis Duncan about endocrine disruptors and chemicals affecting sperm counts among other health issues, very much on point for this thread:
Curtis Duncan discusses how a group of chemicals known as endocrine disrupters are literally bringing about the destruction of humanity. These ubiquitous chemicals, which are found in a host of products from plastics, condoms, food, and cosmetics are changing human DNA and turning humanity into diseased mutants for the profit and benefit of Big Pharma. Even worse, these chemicals cause numerous diseases and conditions from prostate cancer, fibroids, diabetes, ADHD, bipolar disorder, breast cancer, heart disease, birth defects, early puberty, PCOS, impotence, undescended testicles, and obesity. Furthermore, these chemicals are changing people’s sexual orientation and gender identity in the womb thus making individuals gay. This is for the benefit of the population control eugenicists who wish to increase homosexuality to decrease the world’s population. In particular, they wish to decrease the population of certain ethnic groups. He’ll also discuss how to protect yourself and your family from these chemicals, how to avoid them, how to remove them from your bodies, and simple tips to fight their dangerous and deadly effects.
Curtis Duncan discusses how a group of chemicals known as endocrine disrupters are literally bringing about the destruction of humanity. These ubiquitous chemicals, which are found in a host of products from plastics, condoms, food, and cosmetics are changing human DNA and turning humanity into diseased mutants for the profit and benefit of Big Pharma. Even worse, these chemicals cause numerous diseases and conditions from prostate cancer, fibroids, diabetes, ADHD, bipolar disorder, breast cancer, heart disease, birth defects, early puberty, PCOS, impotence, undescended testicles, and obesity. Furthermore, these chemicals are changing people’s sexual orientation and gender identity in the womb thus making individuals gay. This is for the benefit of the population control eugenicists who wish to increase homosexuality to decrease the world’s population. In particular, they wish to decrease the population of certain ethnic groups. He’ll also discuss how to protect yourself and your family from these chemicals, how to avoid them, how to remove them from your bodies, and simple tips to fight their dangerous and deadly effects.
< Of course it's the endocrine disruptors.
They are even admitting it more or less.
When testosterone and other hormone injections are making your muscles grow much bigger you don't continue saying that it was your extraordinary exercise routine or modern lifestyle that made you do it.
It also does not fucking matter whether you are a father since less men are becoming fathers now, it also does not mean that it is stress since we as men have less stress on average.
When they are having everything covered in plastic, when you could do it equally well with waxed paper, when you are having even fucking tin-cans covered with plastics on the inside and in the 1950s and 60s you did not have this covering, then why do you think they would do this? It worked well in the 60s and the food was durable, so why do it?
It is sometimes amazing:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...p-60-per-cent-years-modern-life-a7859491.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sperm-count-western-men-plunges-10869887
http://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE...lunge-more-than-50-percent-in-40-years-500728
When you have even wildlife species being gender-disrupted like fish and alligators, then you should know that it's not stress that is causing the alligator to have lower sperm-count.
Occasionally the mainstream news and propaganda network like the BBC would give you some truth like those 2 documentaries out there - and they clearly point out that endocrine disruptors are to blame, because when everything in the West - from men to women (who get cancers like crazy due to it), your pets as well as even the bloody wildlife in the West - when everything is affected by those chemicals, then it's the bloody chemicals.
Would there be solutions?
Sure - bring back water, uncovered tin and waxed paper. Everything like that is recyclable - it is even better for the environment. Occasionally you carry more when water is concerned, but guess what - in the past all water bottles even in the 1980s were made out of glass, coca cola came in glass bottles and the cap was made out of plastic-free tin. Not only cancers would go down, but sperm counts would miraculously go back up again. But why should the globalists do this, when they want the world population to go down by billions?
They are even admitting it more or less.
When testosterone and other hormone injections are making your muscles grow much bigger you don't continue saying that it was your extraordinary exercise routine or modern lifestyle that made you do it.
It also does not fucking matter whether you are a father since less men are becoming fathers now, it also does not mean that it is stress since we as men have less stress on average.
When they are having everything covered in plastic, when you could do it equally well with waxed paper, when you are having even fucking tin-cans covered with plastics on the inside and in the 1950s and 60s you did not have this covering, then why do you think they would do this? It worked well in the 60s and the food was durable, so why do it?
It is sometimes amazing:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...p-60-per-cent-years-modern-life-a7859491.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sperm-count-western-men-plunges-10869887
http://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE...lunge-more-than-50-percent-in-40-years-500728
When you have even wildlife species being gender-disrupted like fish and alligators, then you should know that it's not stress that is causing the alligator to have lower sperm-count.
Occasionally the mainstream news and propaganda network like the BBC would give you some truth like those 2 documentaries out there - and they clearly point out that endocrine disruptors are to blame, because when everything in the West - from men to women (who get cancers like crazy due to it), your pets as well as even the bloody wildlife in the West - when everything is affected by those chemicals, then it's the bloody chemicals.
Would there be solutions?
Sure - bring back water, uncovered tin and waxed paper. Everything like that is recyclable - it is even better for the environment. Occasionally you carry more when water is concerned, but guess what - in the past all water bottles even in the 1980s were made out of glass, coca cola came in glass bottles and the cap was made out of plastic-free tin. Not only cancers would go down, but sperm counts would miraculously go back up again. But why should the globalists do this, when they want the world population to go down by billions?