Spiritual dimensions of the war and signs of God's hand

Liviu

Robin
Orthodox
Of course I hope you are wrong (and Liviu is right) but it does still remain a possibility/something to consider.

Indeed, Romanian spiritual father Justin Pârvu (1919 - 2013) said once that God can disregard the prophecies and bring the end sooner. But probably, my opinion, won`t do it. Usually, Lord wants to postpone the calamities which are prophecied. That happened in Old Testament when because of the repentance of the whole city of Ninive, God spared the city. But later Ninive fell again in sins and ended by being distroyed. So the prophecie fulfilled at some time, even later. As the Greek spiritual father Elpidios says, if the prophecies don`t fulfill yet, we to not think they aren`t true but because some people prayed they were just postponed. A quite resemblant opinion gave Saint Paisios the Athonite (1924 - 1994) who, when asked about when will come some events said: To not put (fixate) years. This obviously means that the events are in character with the behaviour of the people.

Regarding the end of humanity we should consider these:

1. Will be one more world war before the end. Most of spiritual fathers agree with that.

2. Antichrist will be born in Russia from Jewish descendance in the city which will replace Moscow and Sank Petersburg which will be destroyed in third world war. He will be at least thirty years old when will start to reign. Will reign 6-7 years totally from which 3 years and a half over all globe. (Revelation, Book of Daniel)

Common sense says to us that in order that the statements from above to fulfill there are necessary at least 45-50 years from now on.
 
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Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Indeed, Romanian spiritual father Justin Pârvu (1919 - 2013) said once that God can disregard the prophecies and bring the end sooner. But probably, my opinion, won`t do it. Usually, Lord wants to postpone the calamities which are prophecied. That happened in Old Testament when because of the repentance of the whole city of Ninive, God spared the city. But later Ninive fell again in sins and ended by being distroyed. So the prophecie fulfilled at some time, even later. As the Greek spiritual father Elpidios says, if the prophecies don`t fulfill yet, we to not think they aren`t true but because some people prayed they were just postponed. A quite resemblant opinion gave Saint Paisios the Athonite (1924 - 1994) who, when asked about when will come some events said: To not put (fixate) years. This obviously means that the events are in character with the behaviour of the people.

Regarding the end of humanity we should consider these:

1. Will be one more world war before the end. Most of spiritual fathers agree with that.

2. Antichrist will be born in Russia from Jewish descendance in the city which will replace Moscow and Sank Petersburg which will be destroyed in third world war. He will be at least thirty years old when will start to reign. Will reign 6-7 years totally from which 3 years and a half over all globe. (Revelation, Book of Daniel)

Common sense says to us that in order that the statements from above to fulfill there are necessary at least 45-50 years from now on.
Yes, the story of Jonah and Nineveh is one of the 15 readings on Holy Saturday, among the most neglected and (of course) most important of the Church for theological reasons. I highly recommend reading Fr. Alexander Schememann's explanation of its import here, where he describes it as the liturgical climax of the Church.

It is interesting in the Jonah story that he gets mad at G-d for (not) doing several things: he doesn't destroy the Ninevites after repentance and Jonah goes away upset where he lays down and G-d grows him a plant after sweating from being in the hot sun, gets the shade, then sends a worm to eat the plant. It's a mini version, after Jonah complains again, of G-d showing he's in control and he made the plant grow, gave refreshment and made it die, and we humans aren't to be mad about his decisions, since they encompass all things. He then refers to the Ninevites as His creation, who Jonah thinks he should have input on, but God shows him otherwise.

Where does the Russian birth/angle of AC come from though? I have seen many other similarities among the holy fathers in their view of how things shake out, but not that one (which you have mentioned a couple times now).
 

Liviu

Robin
Orthodox
Where does the Russian birth/angle of AC come from though? I have seen many other similarities among the holy fathers in their view of how things shake out, but not that one (which you have mentioned a couple times now).
A spiritual father from Russia (or Ukraine) said it, I think, in XXth century. I didn`t refound the quote. Anyway, the fact that Antichrist is or will be born on Russian land was stated by more than one spiritual father. Anyway, I think what I mentioned is 100% true not only because a spiritual father said it but because is in character with other prophecies about those times which could be more or less close to us in time. If you want , I can give some of them, also, here.
 

Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox
A spiritual father from Russia (or Ukraine) said it, I think, in XXth century. I didn`t refound the quote. Anyway, the fact that Antichrist is or will be born on Russian land was stated by more than one spiritual father. Anyway, I think what I mentioned is 100% true not only because a spiritual father said it but because is in character with other prophecies about those times which could be more or less close to us in time. If you want , I can give some of them, also, here.
Please do, and please do with sources so that I can read up on it. I find apocalyptic literature very hard to navigate, and there always seems to be a lot of Church-internal quarrel about how to interpret them.
I'm also hesitant about how much to study it, because apocalyptic prophecies tend to make people a little kooky, from what I have observed in myself and others. I have heard people even dispute St. Paisios' prophecies for that reason, even though he's canonized and what he said should be expected to carry a lot of weight. I don't know how far the canonization process of Parvu has progressed, but if his outlook on the whole vaccine thing is any indication, his gift of clairvoyance seems legit. But I haven't read much from him myself.
 

Liviu

Robin
Orthodox
"The Lord is mighty to raise up His workers if we pray to Him. Let us pray and ask, and then the Lord will lift up His chosen ones from the stones! ”

*** "In the most difficult of times, it will be easier for him to be saved by the prayer of Jesus, from the calling of the name of the Son of God to the unceasing prayer." ***

Prophecie of Saint Seraphim of Viritsa (1866 - 1949) about end of times and Russia:

When asked by a spiritual son about Russia's future, the abbot told him to approach the window and look. He saw the Gulf of Finland and a lot of ships sailing under different flags. - How do I understand this? he asked batiuska. The abbot replied: "There will come a time when there will be a spiritual flowering in Russia." Many churches and monasteries will be opened and even those of other faiths will come to baptize us on such ships. But this will not be for long, but for about 15 years, and then will come the antichrist. "The time will come when Russia will be torn to pieces." At first they will divide it, and then they will begin to plunder its riches. The West will compete in every way possible for its destruction and will give its eastern side some time to take over China. The Far East will be taken over by the Japanese, and Siberia - the Chinese, who will come to Russia - will have mixed marriages, and in the end, through cunning and treachery, they will take the territory of Siberia to the Urals. When China wants to move on, the West will oppose and will not allow it. Many countries will turn against Russia, but it will resist, losing much of its land. This is the war that Scripture and the prophets say will become the cause of the unity of all mankind. People will understand that it is impossible to live like this because everything that is alive will perish and will choose a single government that will be the antechamber of the kingdom of Antichrist. Then the persecution of Christians will begin; when the first echelons of the cities will emerge in the depths of Russia, someone must hurry to be among the first, for many of those who remain will perish. The kingdom of lies and evil will come. It will be so hard, so difficult and awful that God will not let you live until then. But we will not catch those times. If people all over the world, all of them up to one, would at the same time kneel down to pray to God for at least five minutes to prolong their life, so that the Lord would give them time to repent. If the Russian people do not come to repentance, it may happen again that the brother will rise up against the brother. The time will come when not persecution, but the money and deceptions of this world will turn men away from God and perish more souls than in the days of atheistic persecution. On the one hand, they will raise crosses and have golden domes, and on the other hand, the kingdom of lies and evil will be established. The true church will always be persecuted, and someone will be able to be saved only through sickness and bitterness, for persecutions will be as subtle and unforeseen as possible; it will be frightening for someone to reach those years. " The abbot spoke of the important role of youth in the future rebirth of the Church. He said that the times will come (and they have already come !!) when the unraveling and decay of young people's morals will reach the last limits, the lowest. They will almost never remain unpunished. They will consider that everything is allowed for them to satisfy their desires and pleasures, in gangs and gangs, they will rob and corrupt. But the time will come when the voice of God will be heard, when the youth will understand that it is no longer possible to live like this and they will come to faith in different ways, the zeal for the will will be strengthened. Those who were previously sinners, drunkards will go to church, will feel a great thirst for spiritual life, many will become monks, monasteries will be opened, and churches will be full of believers. Then the young people will go on a pilgrimage through the Holy Places, it will be a glorious time. And because they sin now, then they will repent. Like the candle that flickers brighter before it goes out, illuminating everything with the last light, so will the life of the Church. And this time is near. " (in: “Christian Prophecies and Testimonies for the Present Time,” vol. I)
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
"The Lord is mighty to raise up His workers if we pray to Him. Let us pray and ask, and then the Lord will lift up His chosen ones from the stones! ”

*** "In the most difficult of times, it will be easier for him to be saved by the prayer of Jesus, from the calling of the name of the Son of God to the unceasing prayer." ***

Prophecie of Saint Seraphim of Viritsa (1866 - 1949) about end of times and Russia:

When asked by a spiritual son about Russia's future, the abbot told him to approach the window and look. He saw the Gulf of Finland and a lot of ships sailing under different flags. - How do I understand this? he asked batiuska. The abbot replied: "There will come a time when there will be a spiritual flowering in Russia." Many churches and monasteries will be opened and even those of other faiths will come to baptize us on such ships. But this will not be for long, but for about 15 years, and then will come the antichrist. "The time will come when Russia will be torn to pieces." At first they will divide it, and then they will begin to plunder its riches. The West will compete in every way possible for its destruction and will give its eastern side some time to take over China. The Far East will be taken over by the Japanese, and Siberia - the Chinese, who will come to Russia - will have mixed marriages, and in the end, through cunning and treachery, they will take the territory of Siberia to the Urals. When China wants to move on, the West will oppose and will not allow it. Many countries will turn against Russia, but it will resist, losing much of its land. This is the war that Scripture and the prophets say will become the cause of the unity of all mankind. People will understand that it is impossible to live like this because everything that is alive will perish and will choose a single government that will be the antechamber of the kingdom of Antichrist. Then the persecution of Christians will begin; when the first echelons of the cities will emerge in the depths of Russia, someone must hurry to be among the first, for many of those who remain will perish. The kingdom of lies and evil will come. It will be so hard, so difficult and awful that God will not let you live until then. But we will not catch those times. If people all over the world, all of them up to one, would at the same time kneel down to pray to God for at least five minutes to prolong their life, so that the Lord would give them time to repent. If the Russian people do not come to repentance, it may happen again that the brother will rise up against the brother. The time will come when not persecution, but the money and deceptions of this world will turn men away from God and perish more souls than in the days of atheistic persecution. On the one hand, they will raise crosses and have golden domes, and on the other hand, the kingdom of lies and evil will be established. The true church will always be persecuted, and someone will be able to be saved only through sickness and bitterness, for persecutions will be as subtle and unforeseen as possible; it will be frightening for someone to reach those years. " The abbot spoke of the important role of youth in the future rebirth of the Church. He said that the times will come (and they have already come !!) when the unraveling and decay of young people's morals will reach the last limits, the lowest. They will almost never remain unpunished. They will consider that everything is allowed for them to satisfy their desires and pleasures, in gangs and gangs, they will rob and corrupt. But the time will come when the voice of God will be heard, when the youth will understand that it is no longer possible to live like this and they will come to faith in different ways, the zeal for the will will be strengthened. Those who were previously sinners, drunkards will go to church, will feel a great thirst for spiritual life, many will become monks, monasteries will be opened, and churches will be full of believers. Then the young people will go on a pilgrimage through the Holy Places, it will be a glorious time. And because they sin now, then they will repent. Like the candle that flickers brighter before it goes out, illuminating everything with the last light, so will the life of the Church. And this time is near. " (in: “Christian Prophecies and Testimonies for the Present Time,” vol. I)
Please post this to the thread "Prophecies about Tsarism in Russia and the Antichrist".

 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Ukrainian witches plan coven to depose Russia’s president
Ukrainian witches are seeking to hold a special three-step ritual to oust Russian President Vladimir Putin, UNIAN news agency reported, citing a statement by a Kiev-based Witch Cauldron esoteric shop.

“On March 31, on the 29th lunar day, the day of corruption and curses, we, the witches of Ukraine, in collaboration with foreign partners, will perform a ritual of punishing the enemy of the Ukrainian people – Vladimir Putin,” the witches’ statement posted on Instagram reads.

The ritual will be performed in three phases, with the first one scheduled to happen at Ukraine’s “place of power,” the witches stated, apparently referring to the Bald Mountain outside Kiev. So far, some 13 witches have expressed willingness to take part in the anti-Putin coven. The second coven is set to be held at an unspecified “Slavic country” in cooperation with “foreign colleagues.” The ritual is expected to conclude with the creation of a “stone sack” for Russia’s president, who will supposedly face “isolation, ousting from power and loss of support from the inner circle.”
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Ukrainian witches plan coven to depose Russia’s president

"we, the witches of Ukraine, in collaboration with foreign partners"

I think the prevalence of modern witchcraft is understated.

I drove past a shop in my town the other day whose logo is the traditional male symbol, traditional female symbol, and a weird one that combined the two that is for some type of nonconforming freak. I looked closer and it was a witchcraft and sorcery store. I already knew of another one, just minutes away, and this was in a prominent location downtown where rents are not cheap. It made me wonder how many purchases of witchcraft items are made there each day to support the thousands of dollars in rent they must be paying each month.

There will likely be plenty of western witches joining the Ukranians in casting spells against Vlad Putin on March 31. I will be holding him in my prayers.
 

Papist

Kingfisher
Trad Catholic
Ukrainian witches plan coven to depose Russia’s president

Nazism and witchcraft. Whilst I have respect for nationalists who want to ensure a homeland for their people, and who resist globalism, Nazis are something else. I suppose it has been ingrained in me, by the media and stories my grandfather told me, but there was their obvious rejection of Christianity and their apparent interest in the occult.

Anyway, is this not simply more evidence that the Ukrainians are the bad guys?
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
Nazism and witchcraft. ... their obvious rejection of Christianity and their apparent interest in the occult.
Nazism and witchcraft and also Satanists
They are all connected.

Apparently the anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox, neo-Nazi paramilitary organization "Azov Batalion" are Pagan LARPers.



They apparently use the trident as their symbol.

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Anyway, is this not simply more evidence that the Ukrainians are the bad guys?

I would like to say that regular Ukrainians are not the bad guys. Both Eastern and Western ones. They are unfortunate people upon whose heads the war has fallen.

The bad guys are not Ukrainians, but the government of Zelensky, which can only be reffered to as saloreich. Do not confuse them with regular Ukrainian people.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
Nazism and witchcraft.






Nazism their obvious rejection of Christianity.

Neo Nazis burned Orthodox temple in Herson.
https://newsland.com/user/429770901...sozhgli-pravoslavnyi-khram-v-khersone/4614052

Neo Nazis kicked priest out of the Temple of Kyril and Methodiy.
https://newsland.com/community/4109...chennika-iz-khrama-kirilla-i-mefodiia/6622713
 

GuitarVH

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer

Let's try to keep a balanced view of this. The occult connection with WWII Germany is over-the-top exaggerated propaganda that never ceases. Western Jewish media is relentless with the non-stop hysteria about this.


Although the gas chamber mythos has been the center-piece of ongoing Establishment efforts to diabolize the Third Reich, there has been a parallel attempt to remove that epoch from objective consideration by casting it in a less homicidal but more bizarrely demoniacal light. Linking National Socialism to occultism has served several purposes: making the Hitler period look spooky, or at least a bit “kooky”; alienating people of traditional religious outlook, and not least, cashing in on the lucrative bookselling fad of recent years sometimes called the “occult explosion.”
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
If you can take even a single look at the symbols that the Nazis used, and don't perceive them as occult symbols, then I really don't know how to respond to that.

The devil is in the details, but most obvious thing isn't addressed.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
The devil is in the details.
The original question was: were the Nazis occultists, or were the Nazis associated with occultists in some way?

If we want to find the truth, we should turn to God. It has been said that God is the truth, or that the world of God is expressed as the truth. The truth of God is simple and atomic. It is self-evident and self-upholding. It usually does not need any additional justification or arguments as to why that is so. It is a "secret" hidden in plain sight, yet unseen by those who are not able or not willing.

It has been said that a picture is worth a thousand words. So it is an example of something which is both an atomic thing, yet contains a lot of meaning inside of it. If you look at pictures of symbols that the Nazis used, it is self-evident that they are in fact occult symbols. You do not need any special proof to know that it is so.

Symbols have meanings whether the person who is using the symbol knows it or not. They are tied to egregores. There is a reason why certain symbols look the way they are, because within the geometry is contained information like a computer code. So if something is an occult symbol, it's an occult symbol! And if someone is using an occult symbol, whether he knows it or not, he becomes an occult practitioner. That's why it is important not to draw symbols that you don't know the meanings of, you don't know how they will affect you or others (playing with ouija boards). In other words, if something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then what is it?

If God is in simplicity and self-evident truths, then the devil is in the details. It means that the devil creates a clever tale which appears to be true, but actually it is not the case. The devil goes around the main point but does not directly refute it, but instead creates a bunch of arguments. No need to call something political correctness if it wasn't already correct to begin with, you would just say that it is correct. If these arguments do not address the facts that the Nazis used occult symbols, then they are just arguments about mythos, bookselling fad, etc. Arguments that are external to the main point, but not touching it. That's the realm of the devil, the details and arguments to create a spectacle.

Jesus Christ taught us, if we have eyes, then we must see the self-evident truths, the "secrets" hidden in plain sight. Unfortunately having eyes is not a guarantee that someone will see, because just like listening vs mere hearing, it is a conscious effort.
 

Mountaineer

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
Gold Member
when the first echelons of the cities will emerge in the depths of Russia, someone must hurry to be among the first, for many of those who remain will perish. The kingdom of lies and evil will come. It will be so hard, so difficult and awful that God will not let you live until then.
This is the part I struggle with. What echelons of cities? Did he mean new cities in Russia that will house the Orthodox and will serve as a safe hideaway from persecution?
 

Mountaineer

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
Gold Member
Ukrainian witches plan coven to depose Russia’s president

Also Marina Abramowitch who already came out. The Ukrainian side has strong demonic support by the looks of it which is why I wouldn't support the Ukrainian military.
 

Liviu

Robin
Orthodox
This is the part I struggle with. What echelons of cities? Did he mean new cities in Russia that will house the Orthodox and will serve as a safe hideaway from persecution?
I made an automate translation with google translate. So , here and there are some mistakes. The word `echelons` has to be understood as `groups of people` (who leave the cities).
 
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