Stanford Rape Case: Victim Letter Going Viral
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Horus said:
Yes. I hate evil and especially hate it when evil lies are spread in a hysterical frenzy, which is what is happening with this case right now.
By the way, they initially charged this kid with two rape charges and those charges were immediately dropped. The case was that bad.
https://swimswam.com/brock-turner-hearings-begin-two-of-five-charges-dropped/
There is one small good thing. He pleaded not guilty to every charge and never took any plea bargains. This allows him to appeal the convictions, which he is doing now. Although he probably doesn't have a great shot at a reversal, the case is so rotten that it's not impossible.
Paracelsus said:
I don't think insisting "rape" victims go the police to pursue justice and being dissatisfied at the (very poor) outcome of a trial is trying to "have it both ways". They are not contradictory.
Going to the police is the right thing to do and is a minimum requirement if a "victim" is to be taken seriously at all. No more, no less.
Doing so, however, and achieving a conviction of the male does not mean that the story she told and the slant given to it is any more credible necessarily.
Nor does it mean that there can be no complaints about the outcome simply because she went through the legal process and not just trial by twitter post.
Injustice is injustice no matter through which process it was achieved.
Scoundrel said:
I partied a lot in college also. You young guys have to be careful. Everybody gets drunk as hell and if there is ever a problem everyone will assume it is the guy's fault.
Women have a powerful need for attention and many of them have an unhealthy obsession with being a victim and the attention that comes with it. Being a rape victim is holy grail of attention for some of these girls.
I saw a lot of this play out, ironically, when girls would get wasted in college. It's something I realized a long time ago before I learned a lot about human behavior and long before I found the manosphere. I realized it was going on but I couldn't quite connect all the dots until a few years ago.
Please be careful. I'm not nearly as negative about women as some guys in the manosphere but I promise you that the underlying psychology of people usually isn't a pretty thing and women absolutely do have a need for an attention and a fixation on victim-hood.
Don't get wasted. It's much easier to stay out of trouble and much easier to game girls because you can actually use your brain.
There is even a case? Only in SJW strongholds especially university campuses can a pair of drunken stragglers turn into a rape case surrounded by a media circus.
Only there was no rape! No sex. No penis in vagina penetration. No semen. No rape kit. No evidence.
I used to think that women were ignorant of the effect of FRAs on men, but now I am convinced that women, egged on by the media and white knights, know full well that the false rape accusation is a nuclear weapon they can use against men. And for what? 15 minutes of fame?
Fuck that shit.
I am being extremely nice and generous when I say this, but I feel that false rape accusations should have an automatic 20 year prison sentence with no parole and no bail. Do the full 20 years. That ought to give a false rape accuser a taste of her own medicine. But remember, I am being NICE when I say that. I actually wish for FAR harsher penalties than 20 year jail sentences for FRAs... but I won't explicate it here. Use your imagination.
As for the male victims of FRAs, there has to be some way to help them. Witness relocation program? Identity change and move to another country with a ready made citizenship? There's got to be something.
These SJWs can ingest cat piss while they go fuck themselves.
Only there was no rape! No sex. No penis in vagina penetration. No semen. No rape kit. No evidence.
I used to think that women were ignorant of the effect of FRAs on men, but now I am convinced that women, egged on by the media and white knights, know full well that the false rape accusation is a nuclear weapon they can use against men. And for what? 15 minutes of fame?
Fuck that shit.
I am being extremely nice and generous when I say this, but I feel that false rape accusations should have an automatic 20 year prison sentence with no parole and no bail. Do the full 20 years. That ought to give a false rape accuser a taste of her own medicine. But remember, I am being NICE when I say that. I actually wish for FAR harsher penalties than 20 year jail sentences for FRAs... but I won't explicate it here. Use your imagination.
As for the male victims of FRAs, there has to be some way to help them. Witness relocation program? Identity change and move to another country with a ready made citizenship? There's got to be something.
These SJWs can ingest cat piss while they go fuck themselves.
I don't get the circumstances surrounding the chick's statement.
Was this something that was read aloud in court? Did she read it aloud in court? Is it just a letter that nobody read aloud, and if so, why did she "speak" to the judge like that? If it was read aloud, when was that, relative to the jury deliberations?
Was this something that was read aloud in court? Did she read it aloud in court? Is it just a letter that nobody read aloud, and if so, why did she "speak" to the judge like that? If it was read aloud, when was that, relative to the jury deliberations?
The chick said yes to finger banging, then was still conscious enough to dry hump him. When was the "unconscious rape"?
She had a boyfriend...she had a boyfriend! The people who found her brought her to the hospital, they got her to do a rape kit and report the incident. Then she was stuck, if she didn't go with the rape narrative, she'd lose her boyfriend and her family would shame her. This wasn't rape, this was a girl trying to salvage her reputation by playing a victim and ruining a life.
A. HIV test? Come on, from kissing and finger banging?
B. What's with the pine needles? She left a trail and "small pile" in several rooms and it took 3 people to comb all of them out of her hair? That sounds like she's trying to convince me how bad things were, rather than convey facts.
C. It doesn't take a few hours to complete the head-to-toe portion of the rape exam. There's no way she stood there naked for "a few hours" while they collected samples. The full exam might take a few hours, but that includes treating injuries, getting a medical and sexual history and examining hair and clothing - none of that requires a girl to be nude.
She had a boyfriend...she had a boyfriend! The people who found her brought her to the hospital, they got her to do a rape kit and report the incident. Then she was stuck, if she didn't go with the rape narrative, she'd lose her boyfriend and her family would shame her. This wasn't rape, this was a girl trying to salvage her reputation by playing a victim and ruining a life.
A. HIV test? Come on, from kissing and finger banging?
B. What's with the pine needles? She left a trail and "small pile" in several rooms and it took 3 people to comb all of them out of her hair? That sounds like she's trying to convince me how bad things were, rather than convey facts.
C. It doesn't take a few hours to complete the head-to-toe portion of the rape exam. There's no way she stood there naked for "a few hours" while they collected samples. The full exam might take a few hours, but that includes treating injuries, getting a medical and sexual history and examining hair and clothing - none of that requires a girl to be nude.
CleanSlate said:
Exactly. But poster after poster in the beginning of the thread was saying how the guy clearly "raped" her, was guilty as hell, nothing to see here, stop drinking the 'sphere kool aid.
That's how easy it is for guys who read this forum regularly to buy into this kind of full court press media propaganda. There's barely any resistance.
Think about what that means for people who are not regularly imbibing the 'sphere kool-aid, for better or worse. How completely they accept these lies.
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Great post, CleanSlate. You're right, in a just world the punishment for these accusations would be very severe.
Here is a statement from a genuinely nice girl -- a friend of Brock's who testified on his behalf. Of course she is getting crucified on social media
[img=500X250]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkQQFDwUYAAX3-D.jpg[/img]
[img=500X250]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkQQFDwUYAAX3-D.jpg[/img]
weambulance said:
It's a "Victim Impact Statement". Also read: "long whinge to the judge from the victim about why you should punish this criminal more severely than anyone else who's ever come before you convicted of the same crime."
If the practice here was as I've seen it in other jurisdictions, the document is given to the judge as an unofficial part of the sentencing process. It only becomes part of the case after the jury has delivered its verdict, when the judge is deciding what sentence should be passed for the crime. That seems to be what happened here since she refers to the guilty verdict in the statement. 7,200 words, all produced after the verdict had come in but before he was sentenced.
Sometimes these statements are read to the court, though that's usually time-wasting theatrics and judges simply accept the written version.
Scoundrel said:
Also important to note that if someone on this forum got too drunk (which has probably happened to most people here at least once in their life, or will) and got raped up the but by a predatory homo, I doubt they would get up, walk it off and say "that's what I get for drinking too much!"
She made a mistake and drank too much, that doesn't mean some guy and pump and dump her unconscious body (that just sounds fucking weird to even type).
ovloV said:
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Im still trying to make sense of the two possible SJWs that intervened.
I think hearing their statements would bring some light to this incident. LOZ is definitely bringing some perspective. Her statement absolutely didnt make it clear that she only got fingered. It read like there was a rape. She was cheating on her bf, history of being a cumdumpster, usually only really slutty chicks leave their little sisters' side during a house party. So yeah, I definitely take back what I said earlier about him seeming guilty, but at that junctuture we only had the girls' side of the story.
I think hearing their statements would bring some light to this incident. LOZ is definitely bringing some perspective. Her statement absolutely didnt make it clear that she only got fingered. It read like there was a rape. She was cheating on her bf, history of being a cumdumpster, usually only really slutty chicks leave their little sisters' side during a house party. So yeah, I definitely take back what I said earlier about him seeming guilty, but at that junctuture we only had the girls' side of the story.
Bacchus
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Rape culture:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36458027
Big difference from campus hook-ups.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36458027
Big difference from campus hook-ups.
That friend of his who wrote the letter, Leslie, sounds extremely level headed, intelligent and reasonable. A fine young woman. Girls like that are adept at smelling the bullshit of your average modern day cunt. I've known a few like her.
It was not your typical character witness statement, simply stating "he's a good guy" or similar. She went as far as pointing out the gross mischaracterizations we see in society today regarding "rape" and wrote an intelligent indictment.
I get the impression from her that she would be the first to spot any poor qualities in the young man should he have any, and would be the first to disassociate with him if that were the case. The fact that she was willing and compelled to speak for him in such a way, knowing how the hyenas might react, should tell you a lot about the boys character.
It was not your typical character witness statement, simply stating "he's a good guy" or similar. She went as far as pointing out the gross mischaracterizations we see in society today regarding "rape" and wrote an intelligent indictment.
I get the impression from her that she would be the first to spot any poor qualities in the young man should he have any, and would be the first to disassociate with him if that were the case. The fact that she was willing and compelled to speak for him in such a way, knowing how the hyenas might react, should tell you a lot about the boys character.
ovloV said:
Hey newb, how about you read a full article about this case or read the thread before making comments.
There was no rape, no evidence of rape, no rape charge in the trial, no conviction of rape.
This is what annoys me to no end about you red pill guys who found Return Of Kings like 15 minutes ago and want to come here to demonstrate all your red pill wisdom. You couldn't think critically to save your life. You have to actually read about what happened and find the facts...not just regurgitate some shit that you heard someone else say.
I'm glad guys here are calling things out and calling others out, this is some solid and LOGICAL rebuttals of this girls testimony.
Some gold is being dropped in here about womans logic, year zero, and the MSM.
Like has been mentioned stay the fuck away from wasted girls, I know this'll be a bit hard if you're wasted also.
Some gold is being dropped in here about womans logic, year zero, and the MSM.
Like has been mentioned stay the fuck away from wasted girls, I know this'll be a bit hard if you're wasted also.
NO one teaches guys to rape, but society actively encourages chicks to get blacked out at parties..........
I don't personally know a single dude who has raped a chick. But they want us to learn how to not rape? How about chicks learn that drinking around strange dudes is a bad idea?
Victim blaming is exactly what needs to start happening.
I don't personally know a single dude who has raped a chick. But they want us to learn how to not rape? How about chicks learn that drinking around strange dudes is a bad idea?
Victim blaming is exactly what needs to start happening.
birthday cat said:
You can nitpick if it was "rape" or technically "sexual assault" all you want. That doesn't really matter to me because California law treats all sexual penetration as the same regardless of what was used.
But if you look at CA Penal Code 289 D subsection d) He should get three years for sexual penetration on someone who was unconscious or unable to give consent.
So yeah, according to the books (which may or may not be fair), he got off really light. You can't give people lesser sentences because they go to Stanford. If you think 3 years is too much for the crime, that's a differnt issue.