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<blockquote data-quote="Days of Broken Arrows" data-source="post: 978175" data-attributes="member: 4258">Turner's story changed. First he met her outside the house, then he met her inside beforehand. When women's stories change, I doubt their validity. Same goes here. The narrative you paint is from his defense team, which I did not find credible. This is not the Duke Lacrosse team or the Fake Rolling Stone Rape, where most everything seemed questionable from the get-go.The fact that the hospital found bruising on her says to me this was an assault. Mutual drunken hook-ups usually don't result in the woman getting physically hurt.I think there are a lot of cases we could make that show both parties should be responsible in mutual drunken hook-ups. I don't think this is one of them.Finally, I would in fact have a problem if the situation you described happened with two gay guys. When someone is passed out you don't take advantage of them, no matter what the situation. For that matter, if I had passed out when I was married and my wife &quot;digitally penetrated&quot; me, I'd have divorced her and called her insane -- even if she had been drunk. This seems to be a matter of perception. In this case, I don't see Turner as someone being framed like Justice Kavanaugh clearly was. I see a guilty man trying to lie his way out of trouble.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Days of Broken Arrows, post: 978175, member: 4258"] Turner's story changed. First he met her outside the house, then he met her inside beforehand. When women's stories change, I doubt their validity. Same goes here. The narrative you paint is from his defense team, which I did not find credible. This is not the Duke Lacrosse team or the Fake Rolling Stone Rape, where most everything seemed questionable from the get-go. The fact that the hospital found bruising on her says to me this was an assault. Mutual drunken hook-ups usually don't result in the woman getting physically hurt. I think there are a lot of cases we could make that show both parties should be responsible in mutual drunken hook-ups. I don't think this is one of them. Finally, I would in fact have a problem if the situation you described happened with two gay guys. When someone is passed out you don't take advantage of them, no matter what the situation. For that matter, if I had passed out when I was married and my wife "digitally penetrated" me, I'd have divorced her and called her insane -- even if she had been drunk. This seems to be a matter of perception. In this case, I don't see Turner as someone being framed like Justice Kavanaugh clearly was. I see a guilty man trying to lie his way out of trouble. [/QUOTE]

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