How much of that does Harrison Ford get, again?
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Apparently 0.5% of the gross, so what's that -- 5 million on top of the thirty-odd he's already got?
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Watched the movie on opening day and thoroughly enjoyed it. Most of the movie has been already discussed. Didn't see any controversy in it, not any more than the original film.
The people complaining about Finnish should realize that Lucas has mentioned previously many times that he'd wanted to cast a more diverse cast, but wouldn't be able to get funding if he did (Ridley Scott said the same thing about Exodus). JJ Abrams just did what's now financially possible that wouldn't be in the 1970s.
They should however write a more original stoty in the next movie.
The people complaining about Finnish should realize that Lucas has mentioned previously many times that he'd wanted to cast a more diverse cast, but wouldn't be able to get funding if he did (Ridley Scott said the same thing about Exodus). JJ Abrams just did what's now financially possible that wouldn't be in the 1970s.
They should however write a more original stoty in the next movie.
RexImperator said:
Someone over at Vox Day's blog had the best description yet when they called him "Emo Darth Vader".
Nope, remember Rey explicitly turns down the job on the Millenium Falcon so she can "go home". You can't complain about not getting equal pay for equal work if you're not willing to do the work. Oops, nevermind, I forgot who we were arguing with, that is indeed what they believe.
A friend of mine thinks that they're going to make Rey a lesbian. When he explained it, it made perfect sense.
Making Rey a lesbian:
-Circumvents any romantic possibility with Finn and cleverly sidesteps the still taboo possibility of a BM/WF hooking up.
-Fulfills yet another quota ($$) introducing the first ever openly gay character in the Star Wars universe.
-Lesbians...yeah
Making Rey a lesbian:
-Circumvents any romantic possibility with Finn and cleverly sidesteps the still taboo possibility of a BM/WF hooking up.
-Fulfills yet another quota ($$) introducing the first ever openly gay character in the Star Wars universe.
-Lesbians...yeah
Pretty fuckin funny
kbell said:
Rather unfortunate implications all round there.
- Remember when Superman kissed away Lois's memories in Superman 2 in order to remove her knowledge that he was Superman? Nerds are still shitting their pants on that one and accusing Superman of "mindraping" Lois. Now we have the prospect that Rey's head was not just invaded by Luke Skywalker, but that it was done when she was a teenager or under and (the Most Important Part) it was AN OLDER MAN! Doing it to A YOUNG WOMAN!
- You don't infiltrate the Dark Side, you infiltrate the First Order and/or the Knights of Ren. Which, assuming Kylo didn't run off and do it on his own initiative, also makes Luke a really, really shit judge of character and readiness since the risk of sending an untrained Force-sensitive into a seductive situation with the Dark Side he knows personally since Ben told him so explicitly: "This is a dangerous time for you, when you will be tempted by the Dark Side."
- Snoke is a ... Force Ghost? You gotta be shitting me. Force Ghosts only happen via the Light Side, on all the movie canon: that's the distinction between Dark Side and Light Side -- the Sith sought to cheat death outright, the Jedi learned to retain consciousness after death (via Qui-Gon, and then Yoda, and then Obi-Wan and Anakin last.)
I posted my review on the other Star Wars thread:
I saw the movie and I hated pretty much everything in it aside from the cute little robot.
SPOILERS.....
I won't be spending any more money on that crap, because they really dumbed down and destroyed the entire story and recreated it into feminist and revisionist crap.
1. Rey's character as others have said was an orphan without education who survived since childhood on a desert planet scavanging metal parts and selling scrap for food. Despite all that she became a master of enginges, engineering, piloting, knew the MIllennium Falcon better after minutes than Han Solo after decades. She also became a master at combat, wields a massive staff, is so strong in the force that she surpasses a young Sith who can literally stop energy blasts with the force - she surpasses him after mere minutes where she learns the force suckling on the air. She is a teenage superwoman genius engineer, genius pilot, genius wonderkid Super-Jedi. Actually if they would give her 30 more minutes, she should be able to crush Yoda, Luke and any the entire First Order. She is the ultimate feminist girl, who does not need a man and she is also wonderfully asexual in the movie friendzoning Finn like a good feminist champ.
2. Finn - frankly seeing the movie I did not care in the least that he was black. I cared that he was an ugly, stumpy looking, half-the-movie sweating, cowardly, illogical in behavior and uncharismatic guy. He seemed to be the Jar-Jar-Finn who more or less stumbled along, tried to save the damsel while not getting even a peck in return. The Samuel L. Jackson was one of the most powerful Jedis in the universe and now they got Finn - Rey's sidekick, short friendzoned motherfucker who sweats a lot.
3. The main villain - Adam Driver - is in fact 6"3 and sinewy ripped. The costume somehow deliberately changed that. In reality he should tower over everyone there. I liked him more in his portrayal of Lena Dungham boyfriend, because he had more dark charisma in that movie than in this Star Wars sequel by JarJar Abrams.
What we know of the character is also ridiculous. We see a self-doubting wimp, who despite all his inner turmoil was trained by Luke Skywalker, likely turned over to the dark side in the old Jedi Academy and was powerful enough to kill other trainees back then. We can assume that he was trained almost since birth being Luke's nephew. Then he was continued to be trained by a Sith. In the end you got a Sith or Dark Jedi or whatever who could hold energy projectiles with the force.
Unfortunately this 6'3 200 pound colossus in both strength and force who trained with the laser sword since childhood was almost defeated by Finn a stormtrooper who held a sword for the second time in his life and a 5'7 90 pound girl who just found minutes before that she was a force user. She was powerful enough to pummel one of the most powerful new Jedis in training (we can safely assume that he was one of the best students of Luke or even the best).
Nevermind that he was wounded before - that is just bullocks and a flat excuse by Abrams to pull that shit off. Any soldier and fighter knows that adrenaline shuts off pain and Jedis have superb mind-powers. Even if he would have had need for more concentration for force use, his sword fighting would have been instinctive and the fights would have ended in 3 seconds with both Finn's and Rey's heads lying in the snow.
Even if someone makes the statement that Rey was trained since birth and then got her mind wiped, then Kylo Ren would fit the same profile, only him being probably older and way more experienced. Or did her hypnotic state on that desert planet last 5 days? She is the ultimate Mary Sue fanfiction character - just feminist fanfiction, that no one except feminists and the mainstream media wants to see.
4. The story was a total rehash of the first movie - they just made a bigger Death Star.
5. Also the entire setup sucked. What the fuck happened in the last decades? Coruscant was comprised of thousands of races and planets, the rebellion won and regained control of the galaxy, so why the fuck were the rebels comprised of some Hobbit-hills and a few dozen paltry ships and a couple planets? And why the fuck did they recruit the First Order in Luton, UK?
6. I even did not like the visual aspects, because they tried to make everything gritty and animalistic. Finn sweated like a pig for 40% of the movie and Rey even looked like a sweaty menial worker in many scenes. In fact all the characters seemed to have been made deliberately ugly. I cannot remember Harrison Ford to look shit as in this movie. They added a hyper-reality filter that showed every pimple I guess.
7. Some scenes were positively B-movie. Like the stormtrooper wanting to kick Finn's ass and throwing away his blaster only to fight a lethal sword with a non-lethal stun baton. He should know that defending against a blaster is only possible for force users since anyone else would die unable to anticipate the shots.
Oh - and the aliens in Han's ship were also B-movie material - they even looked cheap.
8. And why the fuck was the leader of all the seemingly elite stormtroopers a woman? As far as I could see they were all men in combat, but lorded over by one woman. She must have fucked her way to the top, because I cannot imagine that they had no one better for a leadership position of elite infantry men. Men respect abilities and I doubt she surpassed each and everyone of the best of the best. But hey - it's 2015 and women can do it all.
So finally I would say it was visually crap, story crap, feminism and propaganda galore - watchable for hardcore Star Wars fans and SJWs who want to see stupendous girl-power shown.
Even the worst of the Lucas movies was by far better than this shit.
By the way - Lucas is right - it was more a remake of a movie and nothing original. No wonder they had to kill Han Solo off, because he was the old scoundrel of old "toxic" masculinity. They replaced it with the idiotic, simplistic, uncertain and moronic one - those men who are secretly weak and questioning, but only put up a strong facade. God - I hate those feminist motherfuckers and their SJW brigades of movie-makers.
At least I won't be spending any more money on it.
I saw the movie and I hated pretty much everything in it aside from the cute little robot.
SPOILERS.....
I won't be spending any more money on that crap, because they really dumbed down and destroyed the entire story and recreated it into feminist and revisionist crap.
1. Rey's character as others have said was an orphan without education who survived since childhood on a desert planet scavanging metal parts and selling scrap for food. Despite all that she became a master of enginges, engineering, piloting, knew the MIllennium Falcon better after minutes than Han Solo after decades. She also became a master at combat, wields a massive staff, is so strong in the force that she surpasses a young Sith who can literally stop energy blasts with the force - she surpasses him after mere minutes where she learns the force suckling on the air. She is a teenage superwoman genius engineer, genius pilot, genius wonderkid Super-Jedi. Actually if they would give her 30 more minutes, she should be able to crush Yoda, Luke and any the entire First Order. She is the ultimate feminist girl, who does not need a man and she is also wonderfully asexual in the movie friendzoning Finn like a good feminist champ.
2. Finn - frankly seeing the movie I did not care in the least that he was black. I cared that he was an ugly, stumpy looking, half-the-movie sweating, cowardly, illogical in behavior and uncharismatic guy. He seemed to be the Jar-Jar-Finn who more or less stumbled along, tried to save the damsel while not getting even a peck in return. The Samuel L. Jackson was one of the most powerful Jedis in the universe and now they got Finn - Rey's sidekick, short friendzoned motherfucker who sweats a lot.
3. The main villain - Adam Driver - is in fact 6"3 and sinewy ripped. The costume somehow deliberately changed that. In reality he should tower over everyone there. I liked him more in his portrayal of Lena Dungham boyfriend, because he had more dark charisma in that movie than in this Star Wars sequel by JarJar Abrams.
What we know of the character is also ridiculous. We see a self-doubting wimp, who despite all his inner turmoil was trained by Luke Skywalker, likely turned over to the dark side in the old Jedi Academy and was powerful enough to kill other trainees back then. We can assume that he was trained almost since birth being Luke's nephew. Then he was continued to be trained by a Sith. In the end you got a Sith or Dark Jedi or whatever who could hold energy projectiles with the force.
Unfortunately this 6'3 200 pound colossus in both strength and force who trained with the laser sword since childhood was almost defeated by Finn a stormtrooper who held a sword for the second time in his life and a 5'7 90 pound girl who just found minutes before that she was a force user. She was powerful enough to pummel one of the most powerful new Jedis in training (we can safely assume that he was one of the best students of Luke or even the best).
Nevermind that he was wounded before - that is just bullocks and a flat excuse by Abrams to pull that shit off. Any soldier and fighter knows that adrenaline shuts off pain and Jedis have superb mind-powers. Even if he would have had need for more concentration for force use, his sword fighting would have been instinctive and the fights would have ended in 3 seconds with both Finn's and Rey's heads lying in the snow.
Even if someone makes the statement that Rey was trained since birth and then got her mind wiped, then Kylo Ren would fit the same profile, only him being probably older and way more experienced. Or did her hypnotic state on that desert planet last 5 days? She is the ultimate Mary Sue fanfiction character - just feminist fanfiction, that no one except feminists and the mainstream media wants to see.
4. The story was a total rehash of the first movie - they just made a bigger Death Star.
5. Also the entire setup sucked. What the fuck happened in the last decades? Coruscant was comprised of thousands of races and planets, the rebellion won and regained control of the galaxy, so why the fuck were the rebels comprised of some Hobbit-hills and a few dozen paltry ships and a couple planets? And why the fuck did they recruit the First Order in Luton, UK?
6. I even did not like the visual aspects, because they tried to make everything gritty and animalistic. Finn sweated like a pig for 40% of the movie and Rey even looked like a sweaty menial worker in many scenes. In fact all the characters seemed to have been made deliberately ugly. I cannot remember Harrison Ford to look shit as in this movie. They added a hyper-reality filter that showed every pimple I guess.
7. Some scenes were positively B-movie. Like the stormtrooper wanting to kick Finn's ass and throwing away his blaster only to fight a lethal sword with a non-lethal stun baton. He should know that defending against a blaster is only possible for force users since anyone else would die unable to anticipate the shots.
Oh - and the aliens in Han's ship were also B-movie material - they even looked cheap.
8. And why the fuck was the leader of all the seemingly elite stormtroopers a woman? As far as I could see they were all men in combat, but lorded over by one woman. She must have fucked her way to the top, because I cannot imagine that they had no one better for a leadership position of elite infantry men. Men respect abilities and I doubt she surpassed each and everyone of the best of the best. But hey - it's 2015 and women can do it all.
So finally I would say it was visually crap, story crap, feminism and propaganda galore - watchable for hardcore Star Wars fans and SJWs who want to see stupendous girl-power shown.
Even the worst of the Lucas movies was by far better than this shit.
By the way - Lucas is right - it was more a remake of a movie and nothing original. No wonder they had to kill Han Solo off, because he was the old scoundrel of old "toxic" masculinity. They replaced it with the idiotic, simplistic, uncertain and moronic one - those men who are secretly weak and questioning, but only put up a strong facade. God - I hate those feminist motherfuckers and their SJW brigades of movie-makers.
At least I won't be spending any more money on it.
What I don't understand is this: why are so many people forking over money to see this at the theatre when they already know beforehand that it's going to suck? Are you gluttons for punishment or something? 
Handsome Creepy Eel said:What I don't understand is this: why are so many people forking over money to see this at the theatre when they already know beforehand that it's going to suck? Are you gluttons for punishment or something?
I fully admit i've seen lots of shitty films in the theater.
There's an impulsive need for me to sit in the theater and watch a movie from time to time based on nostalgia.
Most movies suck but the theater experience can sometimes even make lame films somewhat entertaining.
Plus it's not always the movie itself (especially when it's mostly a hyped piece of shit) but the experience leading up to and after going to the movie. :angel:
There are two threads where this movie is discussed on the forum. I want to re-post these thoughts of mine from the other thread because I think it would be great if they gained some volume:
The star wars fans must unite and force this movie to be considered non-cannon!
If a new replacement movie is made then it must be made with the fallowing changes:
1) There are no rebels. There is Republic Army, because in previous movie the republic has won and has been restored.
2) There is no First order. There are remnants of the Imperial forces. Imperial generals fight among themselves for supremacy. A new dark shadow emerges that unites them. This could even be the old Emperor using a cloned body like in the old extended universe, that was much better plotwise then this shit. I fucking loved Darth Sideous the best movie villain ever.
3)Han Solo is not a loser scoundrel anymore but a general and hero for Republican Army. Could be retired. Could be just a wise man who gives advice or appears as cameo or doesn't appear at all. But he shouldn't be a divorced and broken loser who hasn't progressed at all from the previous movie except getting older.
4)Stopping blaster shot in air is not a new ability shown by an emo weakling villain, it is an ability introduced by Luke Skywalker who has invented something new, showing that he is next in line of great jedi masters.
5)Reading thoughts trough force is not a new ability demonstrated by an emo weakling villain. It is an ability introduced trough a powerful villain.
6) No more Death stars - give us something new please!
7)The girl - Rey - is not an expert pilot and technician. She masters force powers slowly starting from something very simple. I liked the way she first used mind trick, it was funny, but it should take place no sooner than in second movie after she has seen her mentor - Luke - do it.
8)A chrome colored stormtrooper is not female. He doesn't gets taken hostige, but shows some badass skills and kills at least 5 republic soldiers on screen as well as makes some smart tactical move that screws heroes for a while.
9)The defected stormtrooper is not in love and friendzoned by jedi girl. Instead she herself is in love in some strong male protagonist whom this movie is strongly lacking.
10)Kylo Ren might be Han's son and may fall to dark side. And he may even kill Han Solo the way he did. But like Ray his powers are still very limited to match his emo character.
11) The movies could be a competiton between two Jedi younglings - Rey and Kylo training trough three movies and competing to see who would become stronger - Ray using Light side or Kylo using Dark side.
12)Even so Ray and Kylo never reach the level of Luke and the main villain who also fight in the finale.
13)Han Solo is not acting like he sees Wookie bowcaster for the first time.
The star wars fans must unite and force this movie to be considered non-cannon!
If a new replacement movie is made then it must be made with the fallowing changes:
1) There are no rebels. There is Republic Army, because in previous movie the republic has won and has been restored.
2) There is no First order. There are remnants of the Imperial forces. Imperial generals fight among themselves for supremacy. A new dark shadow emerges that unites them. This could even be the old Emperor using a cloned body like in the old extended universe, that was much better plotwise then this shit. I fucking loved Darth Sideous the best movie villain ever.
3)Han Solo is not a loser scoundrel anymore but a general and hero for Republican Army. Could be retired. Could be just a wise man who gives advice or appears as cameo or doesn't appear at all. But he shouldn't be a divorced and broken loser who hasn't progressed at all from the previous movie except getting older.
4)Stopping blaster shot in air is not a new ability shown by an emo weakling villain, it is an ability introduced by Luke Skywalker who has invented something new, showing that he is next in line of great jedi masters.
5)Reading thoughts trough force is not a new ability demonstrated by an emo weakling villain. It is an ability introduced trough a powerful villain.
6) No more Death stars - give us something new please!
7)The girl - Rey - is not an expert pilot and technician. She masters force powers slowly starting from something very simple. I liked the way she first used mind trick, it was funny, but it should take place no sooner than in second movie after she has seen her mentor - Luke - do it.
8)A chrome colored stormtrooper is not female. He doesn't gets taken hostige, but shows some badass skills and kills at least 5 republic soldiers on screen as well as makes some smart tactical move that screws heroes for a while.
9)The defected stormtrooper is not in love and friendzoned by jedi girl. Instead she herself is in love in some strong male protagonist whom this movie is strongly lacking.
10)Kylo Ren might be Han's son and may fall to dark side. And he may even kill Han Solo the way he did. But like Ray his powers are still very limited to match his emo character.
11) The movies could be a competiton between two Jedi younglings - Rey and Kylo training trough three movies and competing to see who would become stronger - Ray using Light side or Kylo using Dark side.
12)Even so Ray and Kylo never reach the level of Luke and the main villain who also fight in the finale.
13)Han Solo is not acting like he sees Wookie bowcaster for the first time.
Saw the movie. Liked it. 3/4, nothing great. Overblown outrage for a kid's movie, in my honest opinion.
I liked it. I liked the originals growing up, and I liked this. It was like the new Star Trek (~2007?) only not as good (and I have no history with Star Trek). 6/10, won't see it again. At least 20 minutes too long.
Nerd thought: I don't recall the Force ever being used to read minds.
Why I'm even writing this post? I was trying to figure out if and why a chic heroine would detract from a movie like this (or other action movie I suppose). I thought about it the entire drive home. It's not obvious. It's not like the entire time I'm hating the main actress, or feeling this insecurity because the hero is a chic. There's nothing overt about the hero in a movie being a girl. As such, I'm not a guy who says "it sucks because the hero is a girl" or anything like that.
I couldn't figure it out until it just dawned on me. It's because the inexperienced, poor, beta, unsuccessful, homeless, young woman is not nearly as low on society as a insecure kid (young Luke). The young hottie in this new movie...ok, she's inexperienced, poor, no family, etc...but she's still a totally hot babe. If she goes through trials and tribulations and defeats the Dark Side, she'll just be an older less attractive hot babe who defeated the Dark Side.
Young Luke Skywalker is a loser, not only to the characters in the movie, but to the audience. Young Rey is a gorgeous young woman to the audience, so if she's portrayed in the movie as a loser, it's not believable.
Far more believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser kid -->[attachment=29246]
Not believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser chic -->[attachment=29247]
Nerd thought: I don't recall the Force ever being used to read minds.
Why I'm even writing this post? I was trying to figure out if and why a chic heroine would detract from a movie like this (or other action movie I suppose). I thought about it the entire drive home. It's not obvious. It's not like the entire time I'm hating the main actress, or feeling this insecurity because the hero is a chic. There's nothing overt about the hero in a movie being a girl. As such, I'm not a guy who says "it sucks because the hero is a girl" or anything like that.
I couldn't figure it out until it just dawned on me. It's because the inexperienced, poor, beta, unsuccessful, homeless, young woman is not nearly as low on society as a insecure kid (young Luke). The young hottie in this new movie...ok, she's inexperienced, poor, no family, etc...but she's still a totally hot babe. If she goes through trials and tribulations and defeats the Dark Side, she'll just be an older less attractive hot babe who defeated the Dark Side.
Young Luke Skywalker is a loser, not only to the characters in the movie, but to the audience. Young Rey is a gorgeous young woman to the audience, so if she's portrayed in the movie as a loser, it's not believable.
Far more believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser kid -->[attachment=29246]
Not believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser chic -->[attachment=29247]
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Not for mindraping as such, but there is a precedent for it: during Luke and Vader's final duel in ROTJ.
Vader: Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong, especially for ... sister! So -- you have a twin sister! Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will!
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