Starting a local porn production company like Brazzers

[Steelex]

If you can produce high quality content, someone will buy it and utilize it.

The problem is most people can't even make a freaking professional sounding podcast let alone a decent looking and sounding porno.

 

[superschalk]

The big money in this industry as long as you are not the owner of a website like YouPorn or Pornhub is not the production of porn it is buying banner space on these sites and generate sales from the traffic.

Excoclick and TrafficJunky are huge media companies brokering these spaces.

The business model in a nutshell is like this:

1. Have a product to sell. Usually these products are penis enlargement rebill offers or membership to dating websites.

2. Build a landing page/order page for your product

3. Create ad creatives

4. Buy banners space via brokers like Exoclick or if you big enough get a direct deal.

5. Track everything with a tracking tool like Voluum and optimize accordingly.

6. Make more money from your products than you pay for media buys = PROFIT

I met guys at conferences who are making $10k per day with this. However this space is really competitive and you need a lot of cash to buy banner space. Not a field where a beginner can start easily.

 

[btz]

The big money in this industry as long as you are not the owner of a website like YouPorn or Pornhub is not the production of porn it is buying banner space on these sites and generate sales from the traffic.

Excoclick and TrafficJunky are huge media companies brokering these spaces.

The business model in a nutshell is like this:

1. Have a product to sell. Usually these products are penis enlargement rebill offers or membership to dating websites.

2. Build a landing page/order page for your product

3. Create ad creatives

4. Buy banners space via brokers like Exoclick or if you big enough get a direct deal.

5. Track everything with a tracking tool like Voluum and optimize accordingly.

6. Make more money from your products than you pay for media buys = PROFIT

I met guys at conferences who are making $10k per day with this. However this space is really competitive and you need a lot of cash to buy banner space. Not a field where a beginner can start easily.

Yea CPA offers are hot but the guys making money with it are the guys who were at the front of the "step 1 -acai berry, step 2 - colon cleanse" weight loss blogs. They have years and years of experience in optimizing and tweaking ads to make them profitable and still dump $10-$20k just testing a campaign and then can burn $30k a day to make $10k a day, I don't think the average rvf member can get up to that level in less than a year or so. Not to mention trafficjunky is notorious for flat our ripping off your campaigns and running it themselves and since they are the traffic broker everyone lets them get away with it and they can run it profitably far longer than any affiliate could.

 

[The Wire]

I still have no idea who actually pays for porn

I've seen high quality VR porn from just a Samsung S8 into a GearVR and it's a game changer for that industry. Guys will have no problem paying for it. Its that much better than anything else out there to the point where I don't see a future for normal porn. I think it's going to have such an impact there will be effects on men and women dynamics long term as it really gets going and matures because guys are rather going to jerk off to that than trying to get laid with some 5 at a club. I can see this taking some power away from your everyday women at some point because the of ease of having a pornstar at your fingertips who is way above any girl the average guy can get. At the same time this could spiral into bad situation for men and women in general(sort of like what goes on in Japan). The real question is if the tech gets to a point where you can stream live with girls and interact.

Apparently it's very difficult to implement well at this stage so it's not like some guy buying a $2,000 camera, doing a basic edit on Adobe Premiere and uploading the footage. The thing helping VR porn probably the most from piracy is the size of the files are massive(I've seen 10 GB files for a scene) so the pirated tubes sites are behind on being able to delivery this quality.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

That's my how-to-get-laid-with-hot-girls-in-the-prime for my 60+ year old self.

It's a nice business to filter highly sexualized girls who have x-time the libido of the average woman out there. There was even a former porn-star and producer who did this in the 2000s in the Czech Republic. He did it while looking like a well-kept grey-haired half-bald guy in his 70s.

Even with his looks he could find girls who were sort of into him, because he simply found the ones at the 1/10.000 level of libido of the female population. Also he had some Game and was wealthy at least to the girls he found there - Paul Merkham

NSFW.....

Or you could do it while looking like a hot 60yo - either way it is a form to get laid - you cannot do daygame as a 60yo anymore - no matter how hot you look - unless you look like 38.

But this fulfills the purpose as well.

 

[Gas]

I think the next big thing in porn will be the Netflix model. Pay 10 bucks a month and you get access to every premium porn video from all the studios. Unless someone has already done that.

 

[Dan Woolf]

I've thought about the whole business.
As mentioned above, how many people actually pay for the stuff with so much free on the tube sites etc?

I understood how Vivid, Jenna Jameson, Ron Jeremy etc became rich before broadband and cheap hosting etc. But today, there are LOADS of companies, big and small, but how do they make money?

I know people who've made money in porn. But that was more "the olden days". And crime was never that far away. Atleast in the olden days, you could sell the softcore version to cable TV companies.

Vivid and the like seem to be involved in events and stuff. But how does that pay?
In the USA, I notice "starlets" might get a couple of hundred USD for a film performance but charge way more for escorting eg 1000usd per hour. Perhaps that is what funds some/much of it? Thats certainly the case in some countries. But most of these "porn stars" are anything BUT "stars".

I suppose virtual reality and niche markets MIGHT give some money... atleast for a very little while.

There are many smaller studios that make custom porn. The customer dictates themes, dialogue and so on. You can't torrent a clip where your favorite pornstar moans "Fuck me hard, BelyyTigr" while wearing a cow costume nor can you find that on any porn streaming sites. The same principle works even more in webcam modeling and that's exactly why many pornstars have moved to that. You can't get that kind of live performance/interaction from Pornhub. Then they also have subscription services (kind of like Patreon) for thirsty guys who will pay X amount of dollars every month to see new nudes and/or short videos every day. On top of all these there's escorting AKA whoring that makes them thousands per hour.

I get the feeling that for many pornstars the porn itself works only as an advertisement for the previously mentioned ventures. Some guy is surfing Redtube, comes across a girl he likes in some Brazzers video, finds her on webcam sites and gives her tips, starts paying her 10 bucks a month to get "exclusive" photos, and then finally spends 2500 bucks to fuck her for an hour. Something like that.

 

[Cr33pin]

 

[Laner]

I've thought about the whole business.
As mentioned above, how many people actually pay for the stuff with so much free on the tube sites etc?

I understood how Vivid, Jenna Jameson, Ron Jeremy etc became rich before broadband and cheap hosting etc. But today, there are LOADS of companies, big and small, but how do they make money?

I know people who've made money in porn. But that was more "the olden days". And crime was never that far away. Atleast in the olden days, you could sell the softcore version to cable TV companies.

Vivid and the like seem to be involved in events and stuff. But how does that pay?
In the USA, I notice "starlets" might get a couple of hundred USD for a film performance but charge way more for escorting eg 1000usd per hour. Perhaps that is what funds some/much of it? Thats certainly the case in some countries. But most of these "porn stars" are anything BUT "stars".

I suppose virtual reality and niche markets MIGHT give some money... atleast for a very little while.

There are many smaller studios that make custom porn. The customer dictates themes, dialogue and so on. You can't torrent a clip where your favorite pornstar moans "Fuck me hard, BelyyTigr" while wearing a cow costume nor can you find that on any porn streaming sites. The same principle works even more in webcam modeling and that's exactly why many pornstars have moved to that. You can't get that kind of live performance/interaction from Pornhub. Then they also have subscription services (kind of like Patreon) for thirsty guys who will pay X amount of dollars every month to see new nudes and/or short videos every day. On top of all these there's escorting AKA whoring that makes them thousands per hour.

I get the feeling that for many pornstars the porn itself works only as an advertisement for the previously mentioned ventures. Some guy is surfing Redtube, comes across a girl he likes in some Brazzers video, finds her on webcam sites and gives her tips, starts paying her 10 bucks a month to get "exclusive" photos, and then finally spends 2500 bucks to fuck her for an hour. Something like that.

Sounds like this was the saving grace after the Pornhub induced crash of the industry. Bespoke porn, if you can get good clients and have a diverse roster of contractors, could be a good opportunity at this time to get into the game.

 

[Dan Woolf]

I've thought about the whole business.
As mentioned above, how many people actually pay for the stuff with so much free on the tube sites etc?

I understood how Vivid, Jenna Jameson, Ron Jeremy etc became rich before broadband and cheap hosting etc. But today, there are LOADS of companies, big and small, but how do they make money?

I know people who've made money in porn. But that was more "the olden days". And crime was never that far away. Atleast in the olden days, you could sell the softcore version to cable TV companies.

Vivid and the like seem to be involved in events and stuff. But how does that pay?
In the USA, I notice "starlets" might get a couple of hundred USD for a film performance but charge way more for escorting eg 1000usd per hour. Perhaps that is what funds some/much of it? Thats certainly the case in some countries. But most of these "porn stars" are anything BUT "stars".

I suppose virtual reality and niche markets MIGHT give some money... atleast for a very little while.

There are many smaller studios that make custom porn. The customer dictates themes, dialogue and so on. You can't torrent a clip where your favorite pornstar moans "Fuck me hard, BelyyTigr" while wearing a cow costume nor can you find that on any porn streaming sites. The same principle works even more in webcam modeling and that's exactly why many pornstars have moved to that. You can't get that kind of live performance/interaction from Pornhub. Then they also have subscription services (kind of like Patreon) for thirsty guys who will pay X amount of dollars every month to see new nudes and/or short videos every day. On top of all these there's escorting AKA whoring that makes them thousands per hour.

I get the feeling that for many pornstars the porn itself works only as an advertisement for the previously mentioned ventures. Some guy is surfing Redtube, comes across a girl he likes in some Brazzers video, finds her on webcam sites and gives her tips, starts paying her 10 bucks a month to get "exclusive" photos, and then finally spends 2500 bucks to fuck her for an hour. Something like that.

Sounds like this was the saving grace after the Pornhub induced crash of the industry. Bespoke porn, if you can get good clients and have a diverse roster of contractors, could be a good opportunity at this time to get into the game.

Fuck that.

Just move to Latin America or Eastern Europe and open a webcam studio. Hire hot girls, help them set up and maintain their profiles, split the profits, sit back and enjoy the complementary blowjobs while laughing your way to the bank. At least to me it seems that bespoke porn production would yield hell of a lot more headaches than running a comfy webcam studio. And if the girls are talented, they can keep the Omega Olivers hooked and extract more money in the long run. There's a lot of ways to boost the income on cam sites like listing the highest tippers (money, not fedora) in the girl's profile as "boyfriends", selling Snapchat adds, selling the girl's phone number, selling used panties etc. When thirsty guys start competing against each other to win some cam whore's affection, it's truly a sight to behold:

One token is 10 cents so that guy gave her $4000 like it was nothing. All he gets is a smile, a "thank you", and that's it. :tard:

Potential negatives: local criminal organizations might not be too welcoming and in the end you would still be running a female-dominated company with all the problems that follow.

 

[Barron]

Guys who believe that advances in technologies for the adult entertainment industry will somehow force women to the relationship table when men become less interested in sex with a living female are mistaken. History shows that only one thing effects women's behavior - poverty.

Why would any woman that has her material and economic needs met care about being with a man that would otherwise prefer porn? Not getting laid is a far bigger problem for men than for women.

If you want women's behavior to change, repeal the legislation our beta fathers white-knighted for and take away daddy government's social programs which support, encourage and incentivizes women's eat-pray-fuck carousel riding lifestyles.

Men that opt for porn over pussy are betas that couldn't get it to begin with. Would you care if a fat ugly bitch didn't want to fuck you? No. So don't expect women to care if they lose out on men they'd never look twice at.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

There was even a former porn-star and producer who did this in the 2000s in the Czech Republic. He did it while looking like a well-kept grey-haired half-bald guy in his 70s.

Even with his looks he could find girls who were sort of into him, because he simply found the ones at the 1/10.000 level of libido of the female population. Also he had some Game and was wealthy at least to the girls he found there - Paul Merkham

I remember that guy's videos from when I was a horny teenager, he had a good taste in cute next-door girls. I don't remember ever seeing him fuck one, though - those videos were quite strange. Also have no idea if he ever made any money. My impression was that he was doing it just for fun.

 

[Shimmy]

That's my how-to-get-laid-with-hot-girls-in-the-prime for my 60+ year old self.

I know Paul personally, he actually married one of his models (I think her name may have been Eva, can't remember). The thing about being a photographer is no matter how old and creepy you look you are still in a role to be a leader which turns girls on. It also helps that these kind of girls have major daddy issues and are batshit crazy.

I remember that guy's videos from when I was a horny teenager, he had a good taste in cute next-door girls. I don't remember ever seeing him fuck one, though - those videos were quite strange. Also have no idea if he ever made any money. My impression was that he was doing it just for fun.

He made quite a bit of money. He used to not only sell content licenses to other pornographers to use on their website but also shot for high end magazines like penthouse, hustler, etc.

 

[Shimmy]

As far as starting your own porn paysite if you don't know much about this I guarantee you will fail or lose money. Do yourself a favor and sign up for another paysites affiliate program and send them sales (earn 50% with no risk). If you can't do this your marketing skills are not good enough to promote your own sites. The other half is shooting the content. The best selling content will be found by you hiring your own girls (which is a skill in itself). If you can do this and sell the content to other people you have the other half nailed down. There is a huge demand for content like this, but not that great of a demand for washed up porn skanks everyone has seen on other sites. Typically someone is good at one thing or the other and hardly ever both. I personally know people who have been in the business for 20+ years and still don't do very sell shooting+selling their own stuff.

 

[Shimmy]

I get the impression most guys are just using it to pay to fuck women as opposed to having any serious intention of turning a profit or turning it into a real business.

Yes they are picky and will only deal with legit directors. A famous pornstar will fuck on video with a director whos legit for $1,000 give or take, but if it's some whore monger she will charge $5-10k for what she calls a "private sessions".

A few of the big players in management are:

http://ocmodeling.com/
http://www.ladirectmodels.com/

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

That's my how-to-get-laid-with-hot-girls-in-the-prime for my 60+ year old self.

I know Paul personally, he actually married one of his models (I think her name may have been Eva, can't remember). The thing about being a photographer is no matter how old and creepy you look you are still in a role to be a leader which turns girls on. It also helps that these kind of girls have major daddy issues and are batshit crazy.

That's what I am saying - you filter tremendously for sexual libido and daddy issues - nothing does it so well than girls who actually want to do porn despite all the long-term consequences to her life.


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As for porn stars - THE ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF GIRLS ARE ONE AND DONE GIRLS OR do a few scenes and then it's over. They won't differentiate between a super-legit producer and a barely profitable one. There is also some turnover with sites being created and disappearing.

Most of the girls who are at the big agencies are 90% less attractive than the constant newcomers who are out within 1-2 months. And the porn industry knows is which explains why they try to get girls in, have her do some scenes which still look like sex before she becomes another botoxed-coke-whore with fake breasts like the rest of them.