State Dept spokeswoman caught cursing out EU

[jimukr104]

muhaha






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[RexImperator]

You should read a handbook of old Soviet military doctrine. Mutually assured destruction was made up by Western politicians to make people feel better. The Russians didn't teach their citizens that. They were prepared.
Almost every military high ranking officer confirmed that Russians would use nukes. They have nastier nukes than us also. They are more dirty and multiple warheads.

In some cases there was even authorization to use nukes at the tactical level.

We both came way too close for comfort more than a few times. One of the infamous close calls was during the Cuban missile crisis...If not for one Russian submariner who kept a cool head:

Vasiliy Arkhipov

...B-59 began attempting to hide from its U.S. Navy pursuers, it was too deep to monitor any radio traffic, so those on board did not know whether war had broken out. The captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, believing that a war might already have started, wanted to launch a nuclear torpedo.

Three officers on board the submarine – Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the second-in-command Arkhipov – were authorized to launch the torpedo if agreeing unanimously in favor of doing so. An argument broke out among the three, in which only Arkhipov was against the launch. Although Arkhipov was only second-in-command of submarine B-59, he was actually commander of the flotilla of submarines, including B-4, B-36 and B-130, and of equal rank to Captain Savitsky. According to author Edward Wilson, the reputation Arkhipov gained from his courageous conduct in the previous year's K-19 incident also helped him prevail in the debate. Arkhipov eventually persuaded Savitsky to surface the submarine and await orders from Moscow. This presumably averted the nuclear warfare which could possibly have ensued had the torpedo been fired.

Thomas Blanton (then director of the National Security Archive) said in 2002 that "a guy called Vasili Arkhipov saved the world".

 

[jimukr104]

You should read a handbook of old Soviet military doctrine. Mutually assured destruction was made up by Western politicians to make people feel better. The Russians didn't teach their citizens that. They were prepared.
Almost every military high ranking officer confirmed that Russians would use nukes. They have nastier nukes than us also. They are more dirty and multiple warheads.

In some cases there was even authorization to use nukes at the tactical level.

We both came way too close for comfort more than a few times. One of the infamous close calls was during the Cuban missile crisis...If not for one Russian submariner who kept a cool head:

Vasiliy Arkhipov

...B-59 began attempting to hide from its U.S. Navy pursuers, it was too deep to monitor any radio traffic, so those on board did not know whether war had broken out. The captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, believing that a war might already have started, wanted to launch a nuclear torpedo.

Three officers on board the submarine – Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the second-in-command Arkhipov – were authorized to launch the torpedo if agreeing unanimously in favor of doing so. An argument broke out among the three, in which only Arkhipov was against the launch. Although Arkhipov was only second-in-command of submarine B-59, he was actually commander of the flotilla of submarines, including B-4, B-36 and B-130, and of equal rank to Captain Savitsky. According to author Edward Wilson, the reputation Arkhipov gained from his courageous conduct in the previous year's K-19 incident also helped him prevail in the debate. Arkhipov eventually persuaded Savitsky to surface the submarine and await orders from Moscow. This presumably averted the nuclear warfare which could possibly have ensued had the torpedo been fired.

Thomas Blanton (then director of the National Security Archive) said in 2002 that "a guy called Vasili Arkhipov saved the world".

Yep.. and if we all get bombed to the stone age..it was end game for us. The Soviets basically lived in the stone age and every babushka can grow and jar food! For them it was just a short elevator ride down!

 

[Meadowlark]

That would make a great ringtone if you take a lot of international calls:

"Yeah well FUCK the EU"... bring bring

 

[kdolo]

I thought about applying to a embassy job back around '08. Having a clearance is the biggest hurdle as you only get 365 days to complete or you wash out of the system, and back then the investigators were busy as fuck. It would've been for a tech job as a backup, and Foreign Service Officer as a hopeful.

I let it go, as the pay was less, but for the 3-5 year experience for networking it may have panned out. I ditched the idea because:

1. Talking to plenty of Marines that were or currently on duty gave a pretty good rundown of the 'important' people that work there.

2. I'm up front, and don't do well in politics.

I bring this up cause the 'ivory tower' likes people that look good on paper. So think a female with a useless masters degree from a private college inside the D.C. beltway. They will pick them any day of the week over a male w/ military experience, years of proven security discipline, and a good asset to have overall in austere environments, or working with harder govt's.

This is why you have females exercising their suck muscles over unencrypted lines, or offering to join pussyriot. These are the most basic violations of OPSEC and professionalism. Never send a woman to do a mans job.

preach on

 

[kdolo]

Note how she wants to torpedo Vitaly Klitschko's participation in the government . . .


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The reason she wants to torpedo Klitschko is part and parcel of the reason she talk's the way she does ("fuck the EU").

Klitscho is a REAL man. An Alpha. - although more politically progressive than the typical Slavic thug politician - he's nobody's bitch.

Nuland on the other hand can only play at being "a man" - and fails miserably.

Again.... Penis Envy.

 

[durangotang]

I'm fairly certain the US would be more than capable of holding its own against Russia.

Rolls eyes..BS..unless you consider nuclear winter holding your own. You should read a handbook of old Soviet military doctrine. Mutually assured destruction was made up by Western politicians to make people feel better. The Russians didn't teach there citizens that. They were prepared.
Almost every military high ranking officer confirmed that Russians would use nukes. They have nastier nukes than us also. They are more dirty and multiple warheads.

Truth is America doesn't flex muscles with nuclear powers... they know it, everyone knows it, why don't you know it?

Are you familiar with our Ohio class submarines? They are 170 meters long (560ft.), nuclear powered, silent, and 14 of the 18 of them are armed with 24 Trident II nuclear missiles apiece, with each missile capable of delivering up to 14 MIRV nuclear warheads. Each Trident II missile contains more power than all the bombs dropped in both world wars combined.

The purpose of the fleet is to deliver the final strike in a nuclear war scenario. In other words, after each side delivers all of their ICBM volleys, our Ohio class submarines surface in the arctic and finish off several hundred additional targets.

Scary stuff.



That said, the USA, China, and Russia should not muscle each other. Nobody wants to see WWIII.

 

[Sp5]

What's interesting is that the most damaging part of the call (US diplomats trying to install a puppet regime) is being ignored by US media. Instead they are focusing on her use of "Fuck the EU" and also the pesky Russians who probably was the source of the leak . . .

It's almost as if the media is not allowed to give more than a cursory glance to the main contents and reason for the 4 minute call. They are avoiding analysis as to the what and why of US diplomats in relation to the situation in Ukraine.

This is typical. The US media ignores the missteps and machinations, and the only "why" question they are allowed to ask is "Why do they hate us and freedom so much?"

We'd have a better foreign policy if we had a better media.

I note that neither of these numbskulls have been fired. The content of that conversation would have been classified Top Secret if written into a cable - discussing strategic plans. Yet they talked on an open cell phone.