State of the forum as we enter the Trump age

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I don't think the hazing is too harsh here. OP is called a faggot in the cases where he actually behaves like a faggot. You go on Misc and OP is ALWAYS a faggot, no matter if you made an empty post or posted a magnum opus datasheet.

Shit, people on here even calmly explain some rules and give pointers on how to improve. Now that's some luxury on internet forums
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Roosh said:
/The feedback I'm getting is that newbies are frightened to make their first post because of the "OP is a faggot" hazing that goes on. While that hazing can be humorous, the effect of this is that we discourage new men from joining our community.

Unless a newbie is deliberately trolling, it's time we be more helpful and hold the newbs hand until he gets it. Attacking him with funny memes means that there will be one less man who eventually becomes a valuable member, because remember that you were once a newbie too. If you want to haze a bit, make sure your hazing coincides with genuine aid. Otherwise, it's just needless bashing.

That said, I think we need to put a harsh spotlight on new members who show up and engage in known COINTEL tactics. Decent summary here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=99753.0

Note: There are other ways to attack truth, but these listed are the most common, and others are likely derivatives of these. In the end, you can usually spot the professional disinfo players by one or more of seven distinct traits:

1) They never actually discuss issues head on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) They tend to pick and choose their opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussion in the particular public arena. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Their disdain for "conspiracy theorists" and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) An odd kind of "artificial" emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their presentation. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the "image" and are hot and cold with respect to emotions they pretend to have and the more calm or normal communications which are not emotional. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to "act their role in type" as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth.

7) There is also a tendacy to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

We need to be especially careful now. I've noticed that the Pizzagate thread was immediately followed by an uptick of posters using these tactics both on the forum(one of whom posted in the pizzagate thread) and on the blog(one was accusing everyone of being "Russian trolls and got called out).
 

Phoenix

 
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The Beast1 said:
Honest question, is this a good example of hazing a newbie too much?
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54253.html

I genuinely would like to know where the line is.

Absolutely not. That guy was a complete fuckup wierdo. We don't want people like that poisoning our community well. I'm so surprised he didn't get banned when that Dr Kahn guy did. Read his rep list for a good laugh -- that's what I call a "community ban", as opposed to a mod ban.
 
Im genuinely glad that the forum, and maybe the members, could eventually return to our original mission.

Back in the day when I started out, the forum = game / newbie section for me, I didnt even know about the everything else section. And I think my life and game was much better and simpler that day. Now I check the politics thread every day and my mood has been growing darker and darker.

Plus, with the shift away from game, we haven't had a good troll in a while. Little Dark and Zebra game? Those were the good times. Fuck the renaissance of Western Civilization, Make RVF Great Again!
 

Libertas

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I didn't get hazed when I joined, maybe because I was at ROK for a while before that.

Generally don't act like a faggot and you won't be hazed.

Maybe there should be some encouragement of the local tribes more going forward?
 

The Beast1

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I've been reviewing my earliest threads. I didn't get hazed. There were a few posts of mine though that had other posters saying , "chill the f*ck out" . Heck had a few spats here and there later on too.

This forum helped chip away aspects of my personality that looking back now almost disgust me. I'm grateful I wasn't too pompous. Surprisingly, this was the first forum I joined where I did read the rules before posting.
 

Comte De St. Germain

Crow
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Libertas said:
I didn't get hazed when I joined, maybe because I was at ROK for a while before that.

Generally don't act like a faggot and you won't be hazed.

Maybe there should be some encouragement of the local tribes more going forward?

You and QC were posting gold on RoK in those days. Think you were already you knew the deal by that point(suffice to say students of history tend to be more meek and self censor so you were posting little until you knew the score).
 

Roosh

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Suits said:
Roosh said:
There is no rule against telling newbs how to improve. Giving advice that goes along with a joke or soft insult is okay, but if you're just attacking newbs you don't like because they embarrassed themselves, this will be seen as attacking a member. If you cross the line, you will get a warning so you know where that line is.

Roosh, can we still go all "welcome to the forum" on guys who start a new thread with a single link, an unrelated thread title, no description, and zero analysis and commentary?

Yes definitely. That is being helpful. I should have defined "hazing" better, but it's really just rough insults without providing help.
 

rkIE

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I really appreciate the transparency and simplification of the rules here! After getting warned for posting in the Trump thread on election night, I've been very skittish about posting much on the forum because I don't want to get banned from here! I definitely should have read the rules more thoroughly before posting there, so putting them in the forefront with this thread is of great benefit! The upside is that in the future I will be much more focused on following the rules and keeping my posts within the guidelines.

I want you to know that, as someone who hasn't posted much to date, I really appreciate the focus you're putting on supporting new members! It really does a lot to make me feel welcome on the forum. I definitely hope to contribute a lot here in the future.
 

The Beast1

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rkIE said:
I really appreciate the transparency and simplification of the rules here! After getting warned for posting in the Trump thread on election night, I've been very skittish about posting much on the forum because I don't want to get banned from here! I definitely should have read the rules more thoroughly before posting there, so putting them in the forefront with this thread is of great benefit! The upside is that in the future I will be much more focused on following the rules and keeping my posts within the guidelines.

I want you to know that, as someone who hasn't posted much to date, I really appreciate the focus you're putting on supporting new members! It really does a lot to make me feel welcome on the forum. I definitely hope to contribute a lot here in the future.

Seriously bro, keep posting and don't be scared. Don't post in the politics subforum until you have 250 posts. Beyond that, it takes a lot of douchbaggery to get a warning and ban from a mod.

You may get razzed by other forum members (if you're a dick/psychopath) but generaly we're pretty welcoming here.

Take a look at some of my earliest threads. I got razed a few times here and there. To be fair, this forum took me down a notch and helped eliminate that red pill hubris people get after taking the dive.
 

Samseau

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Cattle Rustler said:
A good way to avoid getting hazed on...adding value! I lurked around my new account back in 2013 for a month, then my first post was updating a datasheet that was outdated. First couple of posts were just adding value and contributing. Then I started to think my mind or asking questions.

Although there are some funny "OP is a faggot" GIFs.

Either provide value or ask questions! Understated and very important.

When people ask questions it allows other members to provide value, and chances are the person who answers you will provide value to other guys who had the same question but never thought of asking it.

Ask, and ye shall receive.
 

Uzisuicide

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Newbies are the bread and butter of message boards because they represent growth. I've seen some poor treatment of them from time to time that I thought was excessive. We all know when we're being a dick, I think the line is pretty much drawn there.

Uzi
 

whatday

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Roosh said:
So that's all I wanted to mention. I think Trump's election will lighten up the forum a bit. Time will tell.

On that note, does anyone else feel like a weight's been lifted off your shoulders since Trump won?

Also, have you guys noticed how lefties that have been in caves for 8 years are coming out of hibernation, like Michael Moore, for example?
 

Scrapper

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Spaniard88 said:
Roosh said:
So that's all I wanted to mention. I think Trump's election will lighten up the forum a bit. Time will tell.

On that note, does anyone else feel like a weight's been lifted off your shoulders since Trump won?

Also, have you guys noticed how lefties that have been in caves for 8 years are coming out of hibernation, like Michael Moore, for example?

This is greater than weight.
With Trump's victory I feel like:
I have the longest Cock on Planet Earth.
Mindset is even more tuned in to the Dominance, Confidence, Alpha Frequency.
Patriarchy is Rising, Shitlord's are Grinning, my Smirk is like a Dagger swiftly sliding sweetly into every Liberal Heart.

Let them come out of the wood work, we have nothing to fear.
We the Red Pill Community are Machiavellians, Businessmans, Martial Artists and Leaders.

These lefties coming out from the shadows are nothing but frail Beta Cucks.
Even if they land a blow, it ain't gonna do shit!
 

Jean Valjean

 
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Roosh said:
There is no rule against telling newbs how to improve. Giving advice that goes along with a joke or soft insult is okay, but if you're just attacking newbs you don't like because they embarrassed themselves, this will be seen as attacking a member. If you cross the line, you will get a warning so you know where that line is.

I guess another way to put it is, make sure your criticism is civil and constructive. It is possible to do that while also giving an honest appraisal and setting whatever boundaries are needed. I wonder, by the way, if some method of upvoting and/or downvoting, or otherwise tagging, threads could be helpful in dealing with trolls.
 

RexImperator

Crow
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Although there are some funny "OP is a faggot" GIFs.
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redbeard

Hummingbird
Catholic
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Mods, have you considered making a mandatory "pledge" period?

When I joined the forum, I signed up on January 5th. I didn't make the new member list on time, so I had to wait until February to become active. This month of "new member status" was an amazing time where I read threads, learned the culture, and began to understand what the community would expect from me. By the time I was posting, I was very familiar with the forum.

Requiring a month of "pledge" status, where new members can't post, would guarantee that newbies have to read the forum for a while before posting. Many members, like myself, had a period like this, but there are some who register late in the month who can post within a week of registration.

ScrapperTL said:
The Beast1 said:
I always viewed the hazing as a good thing. Most of the guys that got triggered by it would have ended up banned anyway (a la Littledark).

The guys that quickly reply back to their hazing in good spirits tend to stick around and continue to post high quality content.

As a relatively new member here (almost a year), this was my exact experience.
I'm glad I kept a thick skin, remained humble and tried my best to respect all of you as mentors.
This community has helped me grow mentally, physically and spiritually in mind-blowing ways that were unimaginable to me prior to joining.

I agree with Roosh that bringing the hazing down a notch (but only a single notch) could potentially be very beneficial.
As Red Pill Society grows and word spreads, this can only help our plight in the long run.

Scrapper, I'd like to take the moment to commend you for being a great example of what a newbie should do. Newbies should come in, give value, and only speak on what they're educated on. I remember your scrap metal datasheet well and think of it whenever I see your name. You came into the testosterone threads and dropped knowledge. While most newbies ask silly questions that can be Googled, you post long, well-informed posts that further the discussion. Newbies, take note. :thumbup:
 
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