Staten Island man dies after NYPD cop puts him on chokehold
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SFTD said:
Believe me, if I could punch DiBlasio I would. That's saying something considering we just endured 12 years of tyrant Bloomburg, that asshole.
Disclaimer: I've met Bloomburg a number of times, and each time he's had a cunt-ish attitude. I've met a who's who of NYC, and he still stands out of as the queen of cunts I've met.
The amount of homeless people, trash in the street, stop and frisks, parking/driving tickets given out and general degradation of certain things only a native NYer can see has been startling in the past six months.
Glaucon said:
The Mafia doesn't have taxpayer mandated and funded pension and health care plans.
Ziltoid said:
Apparently Al Sharpton is already planning rallies.
Eric Garner death: Rev. Al Sharpton to plan rallies.
Its on local news casts but not at all in National news casts.
Was excessive force used? Of course..there were four cops to that one dude. But the thing is if I'm with three of my friends and one dude comes up to one of my friends I'm not going to tone done my actions because there are three more of us than him. I'm going to use all my force and so will my other three friends.
Cops nowadays seem power hungry. They demand respect and take any action that may be disrespectful as a sign to engage and get violent. No matter the situation never raise your voice or say/do anything that can give cops a chance to get aggressive or be on the defensive. The outcome will never be favorable.
Cops nowadays seem power hungry. They demand respect and take any action that may be disrespectful as a sign to engage and get violent. No matter the situation never raise your voice or say/do anything that can give cops a chance to get aggressive or be on the defensive. The outcome will never be favorable.
Tough situation. As others have observed, the guy was stupid to resist arrest - when has that ever turned out to be a winning hand in America the last 20 years? Clearly, the guy was pretty agitated and anyone who knows anything about Staten Island would guess its not the first time the police on SI (largely working class Italian American) harassed a black man. My guess its the 1,000th time and he was sick of it. So I understand why he didn't do the smart thing. It ended up killing him. From the cops standpoint, lots of cops get hurt in otherwise "routine" arrests in so I understand why they err on the side of being hard-asses.
It's hard to feel too sorry for anyone here. The guy was grossly overweight and its how to see how that didn't contribute to his death. Also, he claim "I'm just doing my business" is not a sympathetic one - his business is technically illegal. The cops involved, at least some of them, will probably have their lives ruined. It's hard to feel sorry for them, too. Seeing how agitated this guy was, did they really need to arrest him for this non-violent crime? Charge him, fine him, confiscate his stuff, whatever - but does every violation of the law have to end in cuffs? Some Wall St firms were recently fined BILLIONS by the feds for violating the law. BILLIONS. No cuffs. Why does every street crime need to end in cuffs if the crime isn't violent?
It's hard to feel too sorry for anyone here. The guy was grossly overweight and its how to see how that didn't contribute to his death. Also, he claim "I'm just doing my business" is not a sympathetic one - his business is technically illegal. The cops involved, at least some of them, will probably have their lives ruined. It's hard to feel sorry for them, too. Seeing how agitated this guy was, did they really need to arrest him for this non-violent crime? Charge him, fine him, confiscate his stuff, whatever - but does every violation of the law have to end in cuffs? Some Wall St firms were recently fined BILLIONS by the feds for violating the law. BILLIONS. No cuffs. Why does every street crime need to end in cuffs if the crime isn't violent?
Mongo
Robin
Everybody screwed up here. He didn't help himself by resisting the way he did. Was it a natural reaction? Probably. But once cops feel the need to put hands on you, there is no way to predict how far they will go with it.
That being said, chokeholds have been out of the law enforcement playbook for years. Did it contribute to his death however? Debatable. His health clearly was a prior issue, and the violence/stress of how he was arrested was likely the straw that broke the camels back and triggered the heart attack. Given that it is in New York, don't hold your breath for anybody to get fired/charged over this.
That being said, chokeholds have been out of the law enforcement playbook for years. Did it contribute to his death however? Debatable. His health clearly was a prior issue, and the violence/stress of how he was arrested was likely the straw that broke the camels back and triggered the heart attack. Given that it is in New York, don't hold your breath for anybody to get fired/charged over this.
Mongo said:
I don't understand that statement. NYC has a large African-American community and when white cops kill or hurt a black man, it seems to be headline news that sometimes results in criminal trials. (Abner Louima, etc). Is there something I'm missing? Are these high profile cases the exception? I don't claim to be the expert in this area, but it seems to me that LA and other cities have done less against cops when an accidental death occurs. Fullerton, CA anyone?
Mongo
Robin
The Father said:
You make a fair point. I might be a bit biased since I grew up near Fullerton (5-10 min away), but my experiences and recollections of New York is that while it will make headlines and be a big deal, short of cold-blooded murder will a cop get charged for this type of incident. Feel free to correct me if my impression isn't accurate.
Mongo said:
I think in general your statement is correct, but in areas of high minority concentration, a white cop or cops who kill a member of that minority community can expect trouble. Especially when its six cops on one guy. The white cops who kill a Puerto rican kid in a the Bronx, a black kid who dies in a hail of bullets because white cops "thought" he was reaching for a gun, a Mexican in LA or the vicinity, etc.
This will be an interesting case, though: Staten Island is mostly white immigrants, new or old (Italian-American, Russians etc). But NYC as a whole has a high black population. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. Hopefully, the Moron-In Chief will not weigh in like he did in Boston and say "Mehhh...the cops acted STUPIDLY". Fuck you. I think black men get hassled by the police way more than whites. Doesn't mean it's a Presidential issue, asshole. FIX THE FUCKING ECONOMY, OBUMMER!
Edit: Sorry for the OT rant. heh heh.
YoungDominican
Woodpecker
Wow, just saw fruitvale station last night, a movie about Oscar Grant. This police brutality thing is no joke
When you date one asshole, maybe it's his fault.
When you date 31 assholes, maybe it's your fault.
This guy had been arrested 31 times for assault, petty theft and selling untaxed cigs and other stuff. Of course he's tired of being hassled by the cops - the cops are tired of being hassled by him too. And let's be serious, if his health is so fragile that his 350-pound fat ass can't handle being gently jiu jitsu'd by a guy half his size, well, he should probably not mess with cops in the first place.
From what I can tell, the cops' use of force was a little excessive, but when a large man is agitated and angry in front of you, you might expect the worst. And there's no reasonable way they could have expected him to die from being restrained - it's not like they pulled guns and beat him to death Rodney King style.
I'm bloody sick and tired of law enforcement - as slightly out of line as they were here - being run up the flagpole when they don't handle the 274th shithead of the day with surgical precision and deference. Why do we always make civil justice cases out of losers and scumbags, and they become the heroes of the day rather than the good and decent people who go through their lives with their own struggles and difficulties without destroying civilization around them? Why is it the Trayvons, the losers and the scumbags, that pull our heartstrings and inform our moral struggles? Why is it not everyday Joe or Jane (or Jerome and Shaylynne, or whatever) who tow the social line and pay their taxes and try to stay out of trouble rather than to court it at every turn?
That's not to say that there aren't bad cops out there. But the only time we ever hear about good cops is when they pet a baby goat, or skateboard, or make some autistic child's dream come true by giving him a ridealong. And that doesn't make up for the few bad apples out of the bunch, who we bellyache about when they tase some violent drug addict into submission and then he has a stroke. Whatever.
Get these assholes off of my Facebook feed.
When you date 31 assholes, maybe it's your fault.
This guy had been arrested 31 times for assault, petty theft and selling untaxed cigs and other stuff. Of course he's tired of being hassled by the cops - the cops are tired of being hassled by him too. And let's be serious, if his health is so fragile that his 350-pound fat ass can't handle being gently jiu jitsu'd by a guy half his size, well, he should probably not mess with cops in the first place.
From what I can tell, the cops' use of force was a little excessive, but when a large man is agitated and angry in front of you, you might expect the worst. And there's no reasonable way they could have expected him to die from being restrained - it's not like they pulled guns and beat him to death Rodney King style.
I'm bloody sick and tired of law enforcement - as slightly out of line as they were here - being run up the flagpole when they don't handle the 274th shithead of the day with surgical precision and deference. Why do we always make civil justice cases out of losers and scumbags, and they become the heroes of the day rather than the good and decent people who go through their lives with their own struggles and difficulties without destroying civilization around them? Why is it the Trayvons, the losers and the scumbags, that pull our heartstrings and inform our moral struggles? Why is it not everyday Joe or Jane (or Jerome and Shaylynne, or whatever) who tow the social line and pay their taxes and try to stay out of trouble rather than to court it at every turn?
That's not to say that there aren't bad cops out there. But the only time we ever hear about good cops is when they pet a baby goat, or skateboard, or make some autistic child's dream come true by giving him a ridealong. And that doesn't make up for the few bad apples out of the bunch, who we bellyache about when they tase some violent drug addict into submission and then he has a stroke. Whatever.
Get these assholes off of my Facebook feed.
aphelion said:
I didn't realize that. It certainly adds some context.
This is a tough one. We're all sick of the a-holes who are generally up to no good and then, when arrested, complain "boo boo boo! It's because I'm [insert special - interest group here]".
But I would also bet that most of us have been pulled over the a-hole cop, campus cop, etc who is on a power trip and that's not a very sympathetic group, either.
I know! Here's a new rule: Whenever police are needed to intervene in a dangerous situation where the alleged perp has a violent record, we are required to send dirty cops with the worst attitude and a history of throwing their weight around inappropriately! Maybe they will kill each other!!
The increase in police brutality in this country is a frightening reality. In the last decade alone the number of people murdered by police has reached 5,000. The number of soldiers killed since the inception of the Iraq war, 4489.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/americans-killed-cops-outnumber-americans-killed-iraq-war
You have more of a chance of getting killed by police in american than dying from a terrorist attack.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/americans-killed-cops-outnumber-americans-killed-iraq-war
You have more of a chance of getting killed by police in american than dying from a terrorist attack.