Staten Island man dies after NYPD cop puts him on chokehold

AntiTrace

Ostrich
bandwagon behavior

SJWs crave social acceptance. They adopt the views that they believe will gain the most acceptance. Given a video like that, or the brown incident, or a teenage black boy, its easy to root for the victim and scream for justice. It's socially acceptable and you don't have to do any research or critical thinking, SJWs love that.

Being the guy that questions the masses is very lonely, hence why they don't do it. More often than not, that guy is right.
 

tomtud

Pelican
I remember when john kordic, ex maple leaf tough guy, died when he was being arrested. Yet their were no protests, no hoopla of police brutality. Yes in the stat island case, he was doing something illegal and resisted arrest, gave attitude to the cops.

The media loves this white on black violence. People make judgements without hearing the facts of all the cases. Michael Brown gave attitude, invaded the space of the cop and got shot. He should have never gotten into the cops space. Same with Staten Island dude. Should've stayed quiet, and fight via legal means if he feels his rights were infringed. Kordic, resisted arrest too.

Here's an idea...... Hire more black cops, fix the inner city schools, keep welfare in check (work for it) clean streets etc etc etc. No free hand outs. Then the attitude towards law and order will change to respect. Some of these neighbourhoods would be like the wild Wild West if cops weren't there. Time to change the culture of disrespect for authority.
 

AntiTrace

Ostrich
He was also someone with a history of run-ins with the law, including 30 arrests. When police confronted him in July, they suspected that he was illegally selling untaxed cigarettes -- something for which he had previously been arrested.
But his family, and its supporters, can't understand how anyone could think officers' actions that day were justified.

yeah, can't possibly imagine.

If you have a history of 30 arrests, society is better of without you, regardless of what color your skin is.
 

Truck'n

 
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AneroidOcean said:
So the damning thing to me in the video is that they have a LOT of officers on him and he is not visibly resisting arrest after he goes to the ground. Past that point the officer is still choking him (sure appears to be REALLY hard) and continues to choke him, then transitions to putting a lot of his weight on the guy's head as the cops continue to yell "put your hand behind your back" as if the guy has any hope of doing this while splayed out with multiple officers over him including one holding down his head and straddling the very same shoulder of the arm that they want behind his back.

There are laws against "cruel and unusual punishment" and this is the basis behind people being outraged that they killed this guy.

I have seen this before, officers yelling, "stop resisting" when they have one officer with their knee in the guy's back and another with his knee in the guy's neck. Which one of you wouldn't react to a knee driven very hard into both your back and neck? Unfortunately it is used as a cover for them to give the perp what they deserved. In this situation I think they went well beyond what was needed to affect the arrest. Even without the guy ending up dead. What possible reason is there to smash the guy's head into the ground and demand that he put his hand behind his back when OTHER OFFICERS ARE IN THE WAY?

exactly this.

When a person has been rendered into a helpless position and the aggressor continues to exert needless force, that is a crime. It has nothing to do with race, but is a function of unchecked authority and power.

Those who see nothing wrong with that action are either guilty of doing the same or too ignorant to know when they are being taken advantage of.
 

Samseau

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TheWastelander said:
Samseau said:
The thing is, the police offer was just following orders. If he were to be arrested for following orders, then the entire system would undermine itself to the point of being inoperable. Cops are selected for their obedience to the law. They don't want cops who use discretion in enforcing the law. They want obedient soldiers.

This guy put Eric Garner in a chokehold because those were his orders. The problem isn't the cops, the problem isn't racism, the problem is the laws themselves.

- Illegally selling cigarettes? Talk about a bullshit law.
- Cops being told to use near lethal force at the first sign of resistance? Good for preserving the cop's life, bad for preserving citizen's lives. Where is the balance?

People are focusing their efforts on the wrong problem. It's not the cop who matters, he was just a peon following orders. It's the entire system. But people can't see the big picture, they can only focus on the particulars. Hence the escalating race relations.

He wasn't ordered to choke Garner out. In fact, the chokehold is against NYPD policy. So if anything, he violated "his orders."

If the cop was violating his orders and protocols he would have been found guilty and thrown in jail. Since he was not found guilty it follows the chokehold was part of his orders.
 

Lou pai

Sparrow
I think the cop should have been guilty in the staten island case. But everyone is organizing around the wrong cases, you take ferguson there is no way to argue he is a good person and the probably cop felt threatened. Second as Guiliana and even charles barkeley said cops wouldnt be in black neighborhoods if there was not a need.

Lastly everyone is voting for a large nanny state, they want all the benefits and no reprecussions. The more the government has control of you for basic necessities they will begin to take away other freedoms. Cops are becoming more militarized because they are so many new rules to enforce and our citizens are giving up freedom for more comfort.
 
Samseau said:
TheWastelander said:
Samseau said:
The thing is, the police offer was just following orders. If he were to be arrested for following orders, then the entire system would undermine itself to the point of being inoperable. Cops are selected for their obedience to the law. They don't want cops who use discretion in enforcing the law. They want obedient soldiers.

This guy put Eric Garner in a chokehold because those were his orders. The problem isn't the cops, the problem isn't racism, the problem is the laws themselves.

- Illegally selling cigarettes? Talk about a bullshit law.
- Cops being told to use near lethal force at the first sign of resistance? Good for preserving the cop's life, bad for preserving citizen's lives. Where is the balance?

People are focusing their efforts on the wrong problem. It's not the cop who matters, he was just a peon following orders. It's the entire system. But people can't see the big picture, they can only focus on the particulars. Hence the escalating race relations.

He wasn't ordered to choke Garner out. In fact, the chokehold is against NYPD policy. So if anything, he violated "his orders."

If the cop was violating his orders and protocols he would have been found guilty and thrown in jail. Since he was not found guilty it follows the chokehold was part of his orders.

No. It's not illegal, it's just against departmental policy. That means he'll get a slap on the wrist by some supervisors..maybe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...hundreds-of-complaints-are-still-being-filed/
 

jimukr104

Ostrich
Lastly everyone is voting for a large nanny state, they want all the benefits and no reprecussions. The more the government has control of you for basic necessities they will begin to take away other freedoms. Cops are becoming more militarized because they are so many new rules to enforce and our citizens are giving up freedom for more comfort.


How are we more comfortable? seems the opposite to me.

No as I explained before the police dept's are becoming more militarized due to the federal gov't funding. They are broke and are donating military equipment from the last 15 yrs of foreign wars that we have been fighting. So the dept's have to put more cops in roles that qualify them for receiving the equipment.

Think of it like the CENSUS... they get more bodies listed to get more funding.

The old funding grants were for community policing and 'SAFE' streets programs..but the Feds took most of that away and replaced it with discounted drones(NYPD just got drones lol), armor shielded vehicles and crates of AR -15's and different types of grenades.

This type of gov't funding musical chairs takes place in many sectors tbh. Education is a great example. They fund English as second language teachers so the principles hire them even in small districts that have no foreign speakers and Jonnny gets put in an overcrowded 3rd grade classroom while the NEW ESL teacher does lunch duty and takes the rest of the day off.

PS--it doesn't help that at least half of new recruits in the last 10 years have been war veterans from the US armed services(they get veterans credit usually and buyback time).
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Samseau said:
TheWastelander said:
Samseau said:
The thing is, the police offer was just following orders. If he were to be arrested for following orders, then the entire system would undermine itself to the point of being inoperable. Cops are selected for their obedience to the law. They don't want cops who use discretion in enforcing the law. They want obedient soldiers.

This guy put Eric Garner in a chokehold because those were his orders. The problem isn't the cops, the problem isn't racism, the problem is the laws themselves.

- Illegally selling cigarettes? Talk about a bullshit law.
- Cops being told to use near lethal force at the first sign of resistance? Good for preserving the cop's life, bad for preserving citizen's lives. Where is the balance?

People are focusing their efforts on the wrong problem. It's not the cop who matters, he was just a peon following orders. It's the entire system. But people can't see the big picture, they can only focus on the particulars. Hence the escalating race relations.

He wasn't ordered to choke Garner out. In fact, the chokehold is against NYPD policy. So if anything, he violated "his orders."

If the cop was violating his orders and protocols he would have been found guilty and thrown in jail. Since he was not found guilty it follows the chokehold was part of his orders.

Come on mate, you're not that stupid. The blues never convict their own in such circumstances.
 

jimukr104

Ostrich
Foolsgo1d said:
Samseau said:
TheWastelander said:
Samseau said:
The thing is, the police offer was just following orders. If he were to be arrested for following orders, then the entire system would undermine itself to the point of being inoperable. Cops are selected for their obedience to the law. They don't want cops who use discretion in enforcing the law. They want obedient soldiers.

This guy put Eric Garner in a chokehold because those were his orders. The problem isn't the cops, the problem isn't racism, the problem is the laws themselves.

- Illegally selling cigarettes? Talk about a bullshit law.
- Cops being told to use near lethal force at the first sign of resistance? Good for preserving the cop's life, bad for preserving citizen's lives. Where is the balance?

People are focusing their efforts on the wrong problem. It's not the cop who matters, he was just a peon following orders. It's the entire system. But people can't see the big picture, they can only focus on the particulars. Hence the escalating race relations.

He wasn't ordered to choke Garner out. In fact, the chokehold is against NYPD policy. So if anything, he violated "his orders."

If the cop was violating his orders and protocols he would have been found guilty and thrown in jail. Since he was not found guilty it follows the chokehold was part of his orders.

Come on mate, you're not that stupid. The blues never convict their own in such circumstances.
Actually the NYPD brass throws their cops under the bus ALL THE TIME..EVEN when they don't have to. I know many who were canned for stupid shit, that could have been legally forgiven. That being said since I think the NYPD and mayor said they don't think it was a choke hold..they propably won't.

Tbh the decision will be made by Bratton under the urging of Mayor. None of them are wearing blue so to speak since those are political positions. NYPD commissioner is a political position NOT a civil service uniform one. Kelly hated his own cops for example.
 

etshella

Sparrow
AFspecOps said:
The police sargeant who was on the scene and in charge of Garner's arrest was a black female. Would like to hear her take.

Wow. Did not know that. Wonder why certain news outlets and agitators are so hesitant to bring that up? Could it be that bad police work, doesn't sizzle like racist police work?
 

Akula

Ostrich
Gold Member
etshella said:
AFspecOps said:
The police sargeant who was on the scene and in charge of Garner's arrest was a black female. Would like to hear her take.

Wow. Did not know that. Wonder why certain news outlets and agitators are so hesitant to bring that up? Could it be that bad police work, doesn't sizzle like racist police work?

uh, yeah duh.

There are like 10 cops subduing that guy and it's kinda crazy nobody could tell the cop to stop choking the man but I guess that's how these cops are trained to escalate. The Blue Wall of Silence will always protect it's own even in pretty obvious cases of police brutality (more like incompetence in this case).

Sucks that these professional protesters are out and about yet again given this is much more of a police brutality issue than a race one. CNN and the major media outlets are just horrible how they cover the whole thing too and should be shamed ad infinitum for fanning the flames and putting guys like Al Sharpton front and center as so-called "experts". That said, NYC has a fairly long history of police brutality unfortunately so there is plenty of blame to go around.
 

Samseau

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Orthodox
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Foolsgo1d said:
Samseau said:
TheWastelander said:
Samseau said:
The thing is, the police offer was just following orders. If he were to be arrested for following orders, then the entire system would undermine itself to the point of being inoperable. Cops are selected for their obedience to the law. They don't want cops who use discretion in enforcing the law. They want obedient soldiers.

This guy put Eric Garner in a chokehold because those were his orders. The problem isn't the cops, the problem isn't racism, the problem is the laws themselves.

- Illegally selling cigarettes? Talk about a bullshit law.
- Cops being told to use near lethal force at the first sign of resistance? Good for preserving the cop's life, bad for preserving citizen's lives. Where is the balance?

People are focusing their efforts on the wrong problem. It's not the cop who matters, he was just a peon following orders. It's the entire system. But people can't see the big picture, they can only focus on the particulars. Hence the escalating race relations.

He wasn't ordered to choke Garner out. In fact, the chokehold is against NYPD policy. So if anything, he violated "his orders."

If the cop was violating his orders and protocols he would have been found guilty and thrown in jail. Since he was not found guilty it follows the chokehold was part of his orders.

Come on mate, you're not that stupid. The blues never convict their own in such circumstances.

Pretty obvious that the general level of ignorance on the American court system is very high.

The courts use a jury of individuals with no connection to the case. The juries are the ones who determine if the man was guilty or not. The jurors were not cops.

That said, the jurors are given specific instructions on what to determine guilt on. So the question they were asked was, "Did the cop break his protocols surrounding subduing a resisting suspect or not?"

The question was not, "Did he kill a man unjustly," or "Did he use more force than necessary."

The question is, Did he follow his fucking orders, and quite obviously he was. You guys think you can throw a man in prison for following orders - you're all insane. No one would ever follow the law again. Who the fuck would become a cop if you're damned if you do, damned if you don't follow orders?

The problem is not the cops, and most people are just blind to how the system works and maintains control. By focusing on the individual cops (his race, his methods of subduing a criminal) people lose focus of the big picture and America spirals towards it's inevitable race war or extreme tyranny.

If posters on this board, who are already far above average in terms of intelligence cannot understand that the cop who subdued Eric Garner was just doing his job, then I can only imagine just how uninformed and stupid the rest of the public is.

As if this cop is important. Had it not been him it would have been some other stooge. What if it had been a Black cop? Would anyone care? Or is it only police brutality when it's the wrong race? Such retarded notions govern American political life and it's obvious why this country is doomed.

The cop was just a little peon at the bottom, he was taking orders set up by men who do not care about anyone except themselves. If people wanted real change they wouldn't be talking about racism, they'd be talking about a revolution to kill most of the people at the top of our government structures. But the people are dummies who think if they change the symptoms they can cure the disease, and this country continues to burn.
 
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