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<blockquote data-quote="mr-ed209" data-source="post: 1223552" data-attributes="member: 14769"><p>I think with STEM you have to be very careful to ensure that there are some real prospects out there once you graduate in your field. Non specific degrees have reduced in value hugely over the last 20 years and for folks coming out with say, a mathematics degree, it can feel like a huge amount of time and youth wasted when employers aren't bending to shake your hand on graduation like you were promised in school. It's a huge gamble to take on a 'hard' STEM degree just for the hope that it will land you on a grad scheme at a later date. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Most science degrees aren't worth shit either. Any 'bio' degree usually enables you to a life of PHD work, comission sales, or pipetting samples in a laboratory for little more than minimum wage. I know plenty of guys with physics degrees also who basically had to start over after graduation.</p><p></p><p>Engineering degrees tend to be best because they're generally formed around actual industry practices; with many courses providing experience in work placements and basically training for the job you're going to be doing.</p><p></p><p>Chemical Engineering - yes</p><p>Petroleum Engineering - yes</p><p>Computer Science - yes</p><p>Medicine - yes</p><p>Dentistry - yes</p><p></p><p>Maybe a few others that I can't think of. But for pretty much all else, you're being put through the ringer, likely surrounded by nerdy guys and zero girls. I don't think it's necessarily because STEM degrees are so 'hard' that people drop out - it's because they can be quite miserable and people realise there is likely to be zero pay off.</p><p></p><p>Personally if I could advise folk I would say not to go to generic university, unless you can attend somewhere so prestigious that it guarantees grad interviews.The few guys I knew who went for employer paid training at 16 are doing bits now. University paid for and basically 6 years ahead of graduates trying to get into their workplace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mr-ed209, post: 1223552, member: 14769"] I think with STEM you have to be very careful to ensure that there are some real prospects out there once you graduate in your field. Non specific degrees have reduced in value hugely over the last 20 years and for folks coming out with say, a mathematics degree, it can feel like a huge amount of time and youth wasted when employers aren't bending to shake your hand on graduation like you were promised in school. It's a huge gamble to take on a 'hard' STEM degree just for the hope that it will land you on a grad scheme at a later date. Most science degrees aren't worth shit either. Any 'bio' degree usually enables you to a life of PHD work, comission sales, or pipetting samples in a laboratory for little more than minimum wage. I know plenty of guys with physics degrees also who basically had to start over after graduation. Engineering degrees tend to be best because they're generally formed around actual industry practices; with many courses providing experience in work placements and basically training for the job you're going to be doing. Chemical Engineering - yes Petroleum Engineering - yes Computer Science - yes Medicine - yes Dentistry - yes Maybe a few others that I can't think of. But for pretty much all else, you're being put through the ringer, likely surrounded by nerdy guys and zero girls. I don't think it's necessarily because STEM degrees are so 'hard' that people drop out - it's because they can be quite miserable and people realise there is likely to be zero pay off. Personally if I could advise folk I would say not to go to generic university, unless you can attend somewhere so prestigious that it guarantees grad interviews.The few guys I knew who went for employer paid training at 16 are doing bits now. University paid for and basically 6 years ahead of graduates trying to get into their workplace. [/QUOTE]
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