Stop Eating Seed Oils Challenge

[bucky]

100% of frozen/processed foods have them (no surprise there) - so just avoid those by default.

Recently I bought 3 packages of of corn taco shells, which are generally made with palm oil (which is okay to eat)

I recently found this Newman's Own brand frozen pizza that's imported from Italy and only uses extra virgin olive oil. It's available in regular supermarkets where I live and is a very rare exception to what you said about all frozen foods using bad seed oils:

https://www.kroger.com/p/newman-s-own-stone-fired-crust-spinaci-formaggi-frozen-pizza/0002066200629

It's delicious too. Really tastes like an Italian pizza. Interestingly enough, the frozen pizzas from the same brand that are made in the US use canola oil. I'm sure you're not surprised.

Could you give me a tl;dr on why you think palm oil is OK? I've googled it a bit and it's controversial. One of the supposed cons seems to be that it's high in saturated fat, but I personally don't think saturated fat is bad for you. For example, per PD Mangan's advice, I've been eating all the butter and cheese I want for years and so far it seems like it's working out for me.

 

[Feyoder]

I recently found this Newman's Own brand frozen pizza that's imported from Italy and only uses extra virgin olive oil. It's available in regular supermarkets where I live and is a very rare exception to what you said about all frozen foods using bad seed oils:

https://www.kroger.com/p/newman-s-own-stone-fired-crust-spinaci-formaggi-frozen-pizza/0002066200629

It's delicious too. Really tastes like an Italian pizza. Interestingly enough, the frozen pizzas from the same brand that are made in the US use canola oil. I'm sure you're not surprised.

Could you give me a tl;dr on why you think palm oil is OK? I've googled it a bit and it's controversial. One of the supposed cons seems to be that it's high in saturated fat, but I personally don't think saturated fat is bad for you. For example, per PD Mangan's advice, I've been eating all the butter and cheese I want for years and so far it seems like it's working out for me.

Man, a $9 frozen medium pizza. Is that usual over there?

 

[murphykj930]

Could you give me a tl;dr on why you think palm oil is OK? I've googled it a bit and it's controversial. One of the supposed cons seems to be that it's high in saturated fat, but I personally don't think saturated fat is bad for you. For example, per PD Mangan's advice, I've been eating all the butter and cheese I want for years and so far it seems like it's working out for me.

I can’t help but jump in; Palm oil is low in Polyunsaturated Fats, which oxidize easily and cause inflammation. Vegetable oils and nuts are bad for this reason, but some plant oils, like cocoa butter, macadamia oil, and palm oil are low in PUFAs. Tallow and butter are the MVPs, though.

 

[Feyoder]

I can’t help but jump in; Palm oil is low in Polyunsaturated Fats, which oxidize easily and cause inflammation. Vegetable oils and nuts are bad for this reason, but some plant oils, like cocoa butter, macadamia oil, and palm oil are low in PUFAs.

It's still one of the more heavily processed oils as I understand. (And they kill monkeys as they're getting it which is a bit harsh.)

 

[Roosh]

The only cereal I ever eat is grape nuts (which have 4 ingredients, wheat/barley flour, salt, yeast)

It's very easy to make your own granola that you can eat as cereal.

 

[Kitty Tantrum]

Man, a $9 frozen medium pizza. Is that usual over there?

It is, unfortunately, completely normal to pay a high premium for foods that have the poison omitted.

With the cost of everything skyrocketing, I recommend people try to get used to much simpler eating. No restaurants. No prepared/packaged foods. Etc.

Not to mention, pretty soon anything with an ingredients list, we'll have to be checking for crickets.

 

[murphykj930]

It's still one of the more heavily processed oils as I understand. (And they kill monkeys as they're getting it which is a bit harsh.)

Yea, palm oil is kinda mid tier; I’d choose palm over canola, but not over butter.

Dang, didn’t realize they killed monkeys for the stuff. That is harsh

The more green, the worse the oil.

 

[PineTreeFarmer]

It's very easy to make your own granola that you can eat as cereal.

That was our favorites when my kids were really little, we lived in the wilderness with no vehicle, didn't have any source of income, and would only have odds and ends left to make something out of.

 

[Batman_]

Yea, palm oil is kinda mid tier; I’d choose palm over canola, but not over butter.

Dang, didn’t realize they killed monkeys for the stuff. That is harsh

The more green, the worse the oil.

You cannot just go off of PUFA alone. Small amounts are OK.

The issue is the actual processing involved in many of the seed oils. Canola oil and soybean oil are the worst offenders. The harder it is to get oil from a product, the worse it is, generally, because more processing is involved.

As far as I am aware, palm oil has minimal processing.

 

[bucky]

Man, a $9 frozen medium pizza. Is that usual over there?

Pretty good price for where I am in the US. I can get two of these and it's plenty for my wife and me. They're actually $8 where I get them, so with tax it comes out to well under $20, whereas if I take her out to eat at a standard Thai or Mexican place, for example, it always comes out over $30, usually closer to $40. That's without getting food for the kids.

Not even entirely off topic, since most restaurants use bad seed oils, but with inflation and price increases in pretty much everything hitting us hard we've identified eating out as something we need to cut out. Getting take out for the whole family just four or five times a month runs us around $200 or more and it's the least essential item in our monthly expenses, so we're doing our best to cut it entirely and just eat oatmeal or something when we're too tired to cook an elaborate meal. Cutting out more seed oils from our diet is an added bonus.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

When I visited Poland, I ate raw beef and raw almost everyday. Same as when I was in France. It's standard on menus there: steak tartare. No problems at all, in fact I digested it quite well.

Of course you did! The protein is not denatured by cooking, so it is easily digested.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

Canola oil is even in things like seasoning mixes and oat milk! I was on a trip and my friends went to get groceries and they brought back what they thought was "healthy" cereal and "healthy" milk alternative, both had canola oil as the 2nd ingredient, what a joke. The only cereal I ever eat is grape nuts (which have 4 ingredients, wheat/barley flour, salt, yeast) and everyone I've told either hasn't heard of them (despite them being around 100 years) or thinks I'm a weird. Meanwhile they eat their "healthy" marketed clown cereal with added sugar and canola oil + plant milks with canola oil and sugar.

I absolutely love Grape Nuts. Which have absolutely nothing to do with either grapes or nuts, LOL! And I don't consider them healthy at all, but just less unhealthy than most cereals.

God forbid you live in a small town - you'll be lucky to find a single restaurant or supermarket that doesn't use canola/soybean oil. Only alternative is to do hunting/fishing or go to a butcher, but have fun eating that and nothing else other than fruits/veggies. It's no wonder everyone in small towns are inflammed, pudgy, diabetic, or straight up obese.

It's absolute insanity - not even getting into the refined carbs/sugar that are also a part of all these ingredients. Canola and soybean oil are literally in EVERYTHING.

Guys, please read your food labels even if you are certain.

Yes, read the food labels! I never buy any processed food without checking the label.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

Could you give me a tl;dr on why you think palm oil is OK? I've googled it a bit and it's controversial. One of the supposed cons seems to be that it's high in saturated fat, but I personally don't think saturated fat is bad for you. For example, per PD Mangan's advice, I've been eating all the butter and cheese I want for years and so far it seems like it's working out for me.

I'm not Batman, but I can tell you that saturated fat is not bad for you. God made us to store calories in the form of saturated fat. And when food is scarce, or if you're fasting strictly, your body burns your stored saturated fat for energy.

Saturated animal fat is about the healthiest thing you can eat. It is loaded with vitamins and does not contribute to chronic degenerative diseases the way carbohydrates do. Being in ketosis is wonderful. Brain fog goes away. Hunger pangs drop to a minimum. Emotions stabilize. I cannot recommend it enough.

Forget the propaganda you hear - it is all lies! Now palm oil and coconut oil are plant oils, so not as good as animal fat, but far better than the liquid/rancid/high-in-omega-6 seed oils that companies are putting into every processed food these days.

Keep enjoying your butter, your cheese. Throw in ribeye steaks or 80/20 grass-fed hamburger. Leave the skin on your fish and chicken. Ditch the french fries.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

Not to mention, pretty soon anything with an ingredients list, we'll have to be checking for crickets.

And possibly roaches, ants, flies, etc.

 

[Kentucky Gent]

Yea, palm oil is kinda mid tier; I’d choose palm over canola, but not over butter.

Dang, didn’t realize they killed monkeys for the stuff. That is harsh

The more green, the worse the oil.

Great chart! Thank you so much for that. My only issue with it is that it ignores vitamin content. Animal fats have the animal version of Vitamin A, which is retinol. They also mostly have Vitamin D, depending on the diet/life of the animal. Plant oils don't have these vitamins.

Surprised to see Walnut oil landing so low in this chart. Also, I'm surprised Cottonseed oil isn't the worst of all. Who in their right mind would eat Cotton seeds??

 

[Kentucky Gent]

It's very easy to make your own granola that you can eat as cereal.

Well, it is of course a matter of taste. But I do not like granola at all, whereas I really really like Grape Nuts cereal.

 

[Bizet]

Does anyone know if sushi contains seed oils? I'm talking about the sushi you buy in the west, not Japan. I did some googling, but I can't find a definitive answer.

 

[DeWoken]

Does anyone know if sushi contains seed oils? I'm talking about the sushi you buy in the west, not Japan. I did some googling, but I can't find a definitive answer.

I would think you just have to worry about the dishes that contain tempura, the battered and deep-fried stuff. Some people contend that most seafood is horribly polluted these days though. If I'm not mistaken, most of their nutrition comes from runoff, from the land, in an uncontrolled manner. At least if you're farming cattle you have some control over their local environment.

 

[Starlight]

Does anyone know if sushi contains seed oils? I'm talking about the sushi you buy in the west, not Japan. I did some googling, but I can't find a definitive answer.

I think it would depend on if it’s the kind with lots of “toppings” like mayo-Sriracha sauce or other such sauces that might come from a factory or if it has anything deep fried in it. If it’s just basic fresh sushi (seaweed, rice, fish/vegetables), I wouldn’t worry about seed oils unless your worried about the very scarce amount of oil you might get from a few actual sesame seeds themselves…

I would think you just have to worry about the dishes that contain tempura, the battered and deep-fried stuff. Some people contend that most seafood is horribly polluted these days though. If I'm not mistaken, most of their nutrition comes from runoff, from the land, in an uncontrolled manner. At least if you're farming cattle you have some control over their local environment. @DeWoken

Also, to whom it may concern: never eat any seafood caught in the San Francisco Bay, especially shellfish. It’s a toxic waste dump still radiating from the Fukushima disaster as well as other typical shipyard and city water waste contaminants.

 

[chance vought]

Does anyone know if sushi contains seed oils? I'm talking about the sushi you buy in the west, not Japan. I did some googling, but I can't find a definitive answer.

Certain species that are farm raised (salmon especially) will have poly unsaturated fatty acids (the bad stuff in seed oils) due to being fed commercial fish food (industrial seed crop derived.) If it is Atlantic salmon, its farmed (essentially extinct in the wild).

Wild caught stuff will have low levels of PUFAs, and smaller, shorter lived species will have lower levels of heavy metals and toxins.