Struggles Of A Muslim Man Living In The West. Wisdom from an Arab forum

[Phoenix]

I totally get his gripe, if I was a muslim and I had to put up with all the temperance and constant religious bullcrap everyday, the very least I'm expecting to get out of that is what he just described.

 

[Eskhander]

In France, there have been stories (reported by right wing sites so there is an agenda) of North African men not only being mad at their women having absolutely haram relationships, but also dating outside the faith/ethnic group.

 

[Parlay44]

And you wonder why they hate the west and want to blow it up. You have to ask why his parents brought him to such a shithole of a country(relatively speaking). Where women are all walking dripping cum dumpsters.

If had to guess its because they wanted some kind of life slightly better than goat herder or dirt merchant. You can't move up socio-economically in the west and be a devout Muslim. It doesn't work.

I feel his pain. I'm having a hard time connecting with these trashy whores. They're all the same. For a long time I thought it was me but no matter which way you try it you end up in the same place.

He needs to make a pilgrimage to his home country and find a nice 14 year old virgin bride. Then move her here when she's 18 and has 3 kids. Career will still be a bitch. Muslims aren't too popular these days.

 

[CH-Toronto]

His request of wanting a virgin seems insane - but in 100 years will guys be saying, "I don't want to be with a woman who has 2 kids and an ex-husband" and be ridiculed in similar fashion?

 

[Jazzman92]

His request of wanting a virgin seems insane - but in 100 years will guys be saying, "I don't want to be with a woman who has 2 kids and an ex-husband" and be ridiculed in similar fashion?

They already are.

 

[CleanSlate]

Coming from a muslim heritage, this whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

1. I'm not at the point where I'm atheist or agnostic, but I consider myself a MINO. Muslim-In-Name-Only. But my spirituality is between only me and God, and everyone else can fuck off.

2. For this guy, I have mixed feelings. Part of me feels pity and empathy for what he's going through. The other part of me wants to bitch slap his face with a shank ham to convince him to get his ass up and do SOMETHING about it. Like, MOVE!

If he really wants a wife, kids, family, and a picket fence to keep his wife's inherent hypergamy reined in, then he is wasting his time in the wrong place.

3. His sentence about his anger, bitterness, and hate turning himself evil scares the living shit out of me. I hope he doesn't live in the same city as I. The last thing I want is another muslim turned terrorist making a bad name for all the other decent muslims (or MINOs). I'm fucking tired of that shit.

4. The comments by feminists in response to the OP are just plain disgusting. Fuck em.

End rant. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go have a beer.

 

[Eskhander]

And you wonder why they hate the west and want to blow it up. You have to ask why his parents brought him to such a shithole of a country(relatively speaking). Where women are all walking dripping cum dumpsters.

If had to guess its because they wanted some kind of life slightly better than goat herder or dirt merchant. You can't move up socio-economically in the west and be a devout Muslim. It doesn't work.

I feel his pain. I'm having a hard time connecting with these trashy whores. They're all the same. For a long time I thought it was me but no matter which way you try it you end up in the same place.

He needs to make a pilgrimage to his home country and find a nice 14 year old virgin bride. Then move her here when she's 18 and has 3 kids. Career will still be a bitch. Muslims aren't too popular these days.

I can't.
The Middle East is not a bastion of piety and purity. So what would be won?

 

[Silvestroyer]

Religion is the ultimate encapsulated blue pill per excellence, but it had a reason to be. I also realize of the bluepillness of the guy Khalid who refuses to lift to bang hoes, but have a look to the responses he is getting from his peers. "Deal breaker", "being the man at the receiving end of the conveyor belt", "westernized women are more trouble than they are worth", etc. These would be the responses for a healthy, able-to-breed, prosperous society. While here in the West marriage and fertility rates are on the decline since decades, these guys are still having 6 kids per family (although in the most westernized societies like Turkey the fertility rates are starting to resemble those in western countries...)

 

[lskdfjldsf]

God always comes up with new ways to test us. Our grandfathers prayed for good weather, good harvests, safety, and to have food on the table, now we must pray for morality and decency with roofs over our heads and full stomachs.

Every generation is provided with a reason to seek God.

 

[porscheguy]

He's a 26 year old virgin. He's got issues.

 

[kaotic]

He's a 26 year old virgin. He's got issues.

Underlying cause yes, but he's/we're trying to breakdown muslim/cultural ideologies that caused this to begin with in the first place.

I know a few male muslim cousins of mine who are STILL virgins, in their early 20's, for fucks saked I lost mine at 15 1/2

Then again I was the billy bad ass black sheep of the family, I went on in life in my own way and didn't follow Islam.

The crazy thing is, this dude was born and raised in a western country and apparently didn't adopt many of the traits western men have:

Now since my parents and me never lived in like areas with a lot of immigrants, which in this particular country are muslim, we never got that network of muslim people around us. I grew up with" ethnically local" friends and they are if not all atheists/agnostics.

This is true with me, I didn't have a muslim network, hardly a muslim or person from the same country of origin as me.

I work as an engineer for a big multinational company where I get to travel the world and alhamdullilah it gives me a very good economy. I also weight lift a lot and train martial arts to stay in shape, especially since it is basically my only outlet of frustration and testosterone sadly enough

He's got his shit together, life of a player, paid to travel the world, lifts, martial arts, high test.

. Basically I have my stuff together, I don't drink, smoke, gamble, fool around, eat non-halal, etc.

Big problem, self inflicted wound courtesy of his religious beliefs.

I've done all of that and more, I have a regret about only 5% of the things I've ever done.

His expectations aren't bad at all, I think most men would adhere to those.

The comments give me home, the muslim men so western women for what they are.

Except the radicalized female feminist muslims who go completely the other way.

Even muslim women will shame slutty muslim women.

It's the only thing in that religion that gives me hope, it keeps their women in line.

No not with Sharia law or any of that BS, but with faith and high standards. Western temptations obviously corrupt these women.

Then again....I love sluts so....bring on the slutty muslim women !

 

[Tytalus]

Interesting story. Reminds me of some research I heard mentioned that says religiosity and spirituality in male teens is generally associated with lower status lower performing men. (In the west.)

 

[vinman]

Arab men:

Go khalil! you go marry a non virgin. Go kiss her mouth an feel her skin ..... Then remember another man has put his parts there.

 

[Guitarman]

On the bright side he can't just go and join Isis to get a Jihadi Bride. Being an Iranian Shia they would behead him. Best bet for this chap is move to Iran. Now it is opening to the West prosperity will follow.

 

[WalterBlack]

He’s a moron. He should do what many (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) Muslims do in the UK:

• 15-25: get drunk, take drugs, bang non-Muslim women (usually white or Indian Hindu/Sikh). Just go crazy and have fun.
• 26+: get back into Islam and live a cleaner life after he’s had his fill of pussy. Marry a village woman from parents’ country – the wife is not allowed to work and is kept under lockdown. Have kids with wife and bang sluts on the side.

Win-Win for all!

This dude:

• 15-25: have no fun in life. Never get high, never get drunk, never get laid. Jerk off a lot
• 26+: can’t seem to find a good Muslim girl. Jerk off some more

What a fucking loser!
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There’s a lot of hypocritical Muslim women who are secretly slutty.

There’s a stereotype of some UK Muslim women who wear hijabs during the day and then go out clubbing at night dressed in skimpy clothes.

I remember talking to a UK Pakistani professional woman who confessed to me that she would get drunk and bang random men – she hamsterised it by going to Mecca every year and atoning for her sins, in essence giving her a “reset” button.

Many years ago I used to bang an Indian Muslim woman who insisted on anal only because she wanted her future husband to think that she was a virgin.

 

[blck]

There’s a lot of hypocritical Muslim women who are secretly slutty

You think they're different from any other girls ?
Nope not at all, they'll be easier to fuck because of the taboo and the prolonged abstinence...
Never forget:

 

[WalterBlack]

There’s not many Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi women in US porn, but almost all the ones who are, are of a Muslim background – I think it’s a similar situation to Catholic strippers.

Confessions of a Indian born Adult star Sahara Knite ["Asian" means South Asian in the article]

“I am better than girls who pretend to be sweet and docile and live secret lives of sin. Being a porn star doesn’t mean I sleep around in my personal life,” Sahara Knite, Indian girl and current shining star of British adult industry, tells Nona Walia in an exclusive interview from London

"I know, you’ve already made up your mind about me even before you begin reading what I have to say. I’m a porn star. That itself stereotypes me as a bad girl. Does having sex in front of the camera for professional reasons mean I can’t be a nice human being and lead a normal personal life? True. Being a porn star brings imbalances in your life and relationships, especially with your family.

I’m an Indian Muslim girl from Gujarat. My parents moved to London in the ‘60s. My family is very conservative, but I grew up as a rebel. But, let me tell you, what I do for a living doesn’t dictate who I am. I get hate mails by the dozen, everyday people call me to say: they want to kill me or they’ll shoot me. But I’m not ashamed of myself. I’ve been working in the adult industry for two years now and I love what I do. I don’t hide under false pretences.

If you think porn stars are exploited, you’re wrong. We’re here by our free will. We’re paid extremely well. I have to work extremely hard for the money I earn. I speak my mind freely, I’ve done an article for Sun and a documentary for Channel 4 on my life. I’ve just finished an interview with Men’s Vogue and a photo shoot for Mayfair magazine. Everybody wants an interview with me. They want to know the darker side of my life.

I’m getting invited to top talk shows on television and radio. I can say that in the cult of global celebrities, porn stars are the latest addition. We’re suddenly in the spotlight, writing books and advising people on how to make love like a porn star. Suddenly, there’s unexpected acceptance about our work.

No, I never had a moralistic debate about whether I should be a porn star or not. I needed the extra money, so I went ahead and did the movies. So far, I’ve done about 70 porn movies.

Just before joining the adult entertainment industry, I was a model and worked for French Connection. I’ve had a very conservative upbringing. I couldn’t even meet boys or talk to them when I was growing up. I wasn’t allowed to go for parties either. During my teenage years, I was crazy about fashion. I dreamt of wearing the sexiest outfits by world-famous designers.

Now, I think working for porn movies is exciting. I’m an actress, there’s somebody who does my make-up, hair and I’m ready for action. While shooting, I often think of shopping, fixing my tap at home or what I’ll have for dinner… Most porn actresses are educated, intelligent women, and you can’t abuse us just because of what we do.

I don’t drink or smoke, and I don’t harm anyone. I don’t do drugs and I didn’t get abused when I was growing up. I’m a normal girl. I’m not a hypocrite. When I was working for French Connection, I was wearing hijab… I tried to be religious. I accept that I’m a Muslim. There aren’t many Asian Indian women like me, but I’m not an object, I have feelings. I believe sex isn’t bad, it can’t be suppressed. Looking the other way doesn’t mean people won’t have sex or will stop watching porn.

In London, Asian men typically will watch porn at home, but won’t accept a porn star for a girlfriend! An Indian being a porn star gets extreme reactions. That’s the reason I don’t have a boyfriend. I’m an open and different girl, and that’s something men don’t like. Being a porn star doesn’t mean I’m a prostitute, I don’t sleep around in my personal life. I’m better than other girls like me, who pretend to be sweet and docile and live secret lives of sin. But most men can’t believe that. I’d rather date someone who sees me as a person and not just a body. That’s the reason I’m always honest about my profession with men I meet.

Do I want to get married? Of course! Let’s say, if a guy falls in love with me and wants marriage, I won’t resist it. I’m not consciously trying to bring disgrace to my family. Initially, I didn’t tell my parents about my work. One day, my cousin was watching Babestation, the soft porn channel in the UK, and happened to see me. His wife informed my parents. Today, my mother and brother don’t talk to me. My father calls up once a month to find out if I’m okay. Anyway, I’ve stopped caring about what anyone will say or think. If parents could accept the choices their kids made, there would be fewer cases of depression, suicides and honour killings in Britain.

I’m 31 now, I want to make money for four years and then direct some porn movies. At the end of the day, being a porn star isn’t glamorous, it’s just a job done. Initially, I would think, ‘Gawd! I can’t do this’. But that’s the initial hiccup. After that, you don’t think too much. Sometimes I have to work with men I don’t like. Then, I just concentrate on their feet or hands and mentally switch off.

I can understand why people would want to kill me. Asians would have certain expectations from me. But I want to assure them that I’m proud to be an Indian. I’m religious, and I love going home to India every two years. Being a porn star doesn’t make me less of a human being, daughter or friend. These are some of my honest confessions. I’m not hurting anyone. Is it fair to target me just because I’m a porn star?”

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I guess the fact that's she Indian gets her work for her rarity value. She's very average looks wise, I guess you can say the same thing for most Asian-American adult actresses in the US.

 

[Belgrano]

I have to work extremely hard for the money I earn.
Sure you do.
No, I never had a moralistic debate about whether I should be a porn star or not. I needed the extra money, so I went ahead and did the movies.
You go girl, that´s the spirit!
In London, Asian men typically will watch porn at home, but won´t accept a porn star for a girlfriend!
I know, right? That´s, like, shocking!
That´s the reason I don´t have a boyfriend. I´m an open and different girl, and that´s something men don´t like.
Yeah, fuck those insecure wimps who just can´t handle a liberated woman!
I´m better than other girls like me, who pretend to be sweet and docile and live secret lives of sin. But most men can´t believe that.
Damn right you are better! Ignorant bastards, how dare they.
I´m not consciously trying to bring disgrace to my family.
If you know something brings disgrace to your family, and yet you keep on doing that, doesn´t that make it conscio....ahhh, never mind.
What a strong, independent woman!

Now that is one colossal Indian hamster!

 

[Silvestroyer]

Great message from RVF :lol:

Brother IbnSina,

Your message came to me from a different forum. However, I feel your pain. Western culture is a cesspool of broken women who have tossed away their birthrights for narcissism, materialistic belongings, and endless nights getting rammed by random men. You are wise to keep your requirements high, unless you want to find yourself marrying the village bicycle. Don't listen to the westernized women on this forum trying to lead you astray. You deserve a proper wife who kept yourself for you and if you lower yourself just to appease your bodily cravings you will be angrier for it.

The sheer fact that you have remained pure despite the constant sources of temptation is admirable. Keep working out, keeping halal, and if you find yourself getting angry consider taking up a martial art like MMA, BJJ, etc. Anything that gets you sparing. This will channel your anger and frustration. Consider taking up more prayer and meditation. This will help you.

The type of woman your looking for is going to be incredibly difficult to find given your location and preferences. Allah loves you and hopes to find another for you. I know you said you work for a multinational, have you considered returning to Iran for a month or so time to locate a wife? You might be able to convince your employer to allow you to work remote. Find out your options. You may have significantly more luck finding a woman who is more traditional.

A word of extreme warning: if you plan on staying in the west for any extended period of time or permanently, you will need to understand that you will lose control of your kids and wife. The question is when. Western culture is toxic and the media is used as a propoganda tool. A traditional wife may start to act up the more time she spends in the west. Also if you plan on children, expect to become distant from them. School and the media will corrupt them and you may find yourself estranged from your children. The culture that has guided you towards your personal success will be sold to your children as archaic, limiting, and pleasureless in comparison to boundless hedonism.

I have no advice for you on how to resist this. I've known many families become torn apart when their children begin to become immersed in this. Pray for Allah to grant you the wisdom to guide you and your family.

Kindest regards