Studying the Russian language

Hooligan Harry

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Need to get yourself to Russia Roosh. The best way to learn is going to be to just throw yourself into the deep end eventually. I was lucky enough to have paid tutors and classes for a while, but as one would expect you learn far more quickly when you have no choice but to speak Russian daily. 10-15 years ago, outside of St P and Moscow, so few people spoke English that you were fucked without Russian.

I dont know if its a hard language or not, other than some basic Greek I never bothered to try and learn anything else. I found it hard as hell and I get rusty quite quickly if I am away for a while. Always struggle with tense. People who understand language say its hard and I found it hard, but once I got past a certain point it came quickly. Once you have a vocab of about 1000 words or so, you are golden.

Russian is a good choice. I have been wanting to get Spanish under the belt which would cover 3 of the 4 most widely spoken for me. Just have not had the time
 

Chaos

Pelican
Gold Member
I'm in the Russian far east right now. I only have a few lessons left of the last unit of the Pimsleur program.
What could be a good continuing course? Still going to be here for 10 weeks so I hope my Russian will improve during that time.
But I need to maintain my Russian after I'm going out of Russia,otherwiseI will forget it very quickly.
No way in hell I'm allowing that to happen.
 

IM3000

Pelican
Technics said:
My best way of finding conversation partners online: Go on sharedtalk-->Bounce them to skype and vk. After you get 20-30 friends on both, pretty much someone will always be online when you sign on, no matter the time of day, and they all want to talk because you found them on sharedtalk.

I second that option. I'm using it to learn Português and it works great. Sidenote, my talk buddy is a hot chick from Sao Paulo...
 

Atilla

 
Banned
Chaos said:
I'm in the Russian far east right now. I only have a few lessons left of the last unit of the Pimsleur program.
What could be a good continuing course? Still going to be here for 10 weeks so I hope my Russian will improve during that time.
But I need to maintain my Russian after I'm going out of Russia,otherwiseI will forget it very quickly.
No way in hell I'm allowing that to happen.

If you want an all-audio course: Michel Thomas Advanced.
Also, review some of those Pimsleur lessons. Even if you feel you know it, you don't truly learn until you review. This goes for all educational materials.

If you're looking to learn some serious Russian, many people have given very positive reviews of the free Princeton Russian Course.

My Method:

Listen to the Russian audio while looking over the English text.
Listen again to the Russian audio while looking over the Russian text.
Read the Russian text out loud.
**This is the most important part: begin reading the Russian text again, but this time, repeat each sentence out loud without looking at the text. Just read the text, look away, and repeat out loud.

Listen to the Russian audio without any text, and if you have a general understanding of what is being said, you're done. You can add the audio to your mp3 player if you like.

Don't try to memorize anything. Just understand what is being said, repeat the sentences without looking at the text, and trust that the Russian will gradually sink in. It usually takes 15-20 minutes per lesson, not including some quick review of previous lessons, and I'm done for the day.

After you've gone through half the lessons of the course, from the first lesson, begin translating the English text into Russian.

That is the Assimil method in a nutshell.
My favorite part about learning languages is when I wake up in the morning feeling like I've begun understanding a major grammatical concept, even when I'm still in the sleepy dummy mode. It seems to be most likely to happen after studying the language a lot the previous day.

When you've spent many hours learning something, your brain sinks the information in and puts it together during your sleep.
 

soup

Owl
Gold Member
Let's just hope that by the time you've learned Russian, the Russian girls won't be spoiled by American cultures' woman.
 

Lika

Kingfisher
Roosh, I told you so when you were in Ukraine...

The only thing that prevents you is the fact that Russians, on the whole, are extremely racist and don't like dark skinned or "persian looking" people (that they brand "Caucasus").

You should perhaps go to Russia first, spend a few months and then decide if Russian is the language you really need.
 

Mersault

Sparrow
Lika said:
Roosh, I told you so when you were in Ukraine...

The only thing that prevents you is the fact that Russians, on the whole, are extremely racist and don't like dark skinned or "persian looking" people (that they brand "Caucasus").

You should perhaps go to Russia first, spend a few months and then decide if Russian is the language you really need.

If you look Georgian, Turkish, Azerbaijani or Chechnyan (plus other states from the Caucasus') and are in Russia, then yes, Lika, i agree, you are likely to often be on the negative end of negative discrimination - however, that can be manipulated in your favour. To be discussed after.

On the other hand, if you look Armenian, you are likely to be on the end of positive discrimination.

Know something? Armenians and Georgians and Turks and the rest look similar. Armenians receive positive discrimination. The others don't.
Ok, there are variations in the bridge of the nose, the eyes, the hue of the skin, etc, but, generally, if you take it individual by individual and not an aggregate face vs an aggregate face, then it is difficult to distinguish between the nationalities / ethnicities. So why are Armenians seen differently and in a better light?

Well, it's a Christian nation, and that is the root of it, however it is far more evolved than that. Ok, some of you will disagree. But i can swim further than you, so, let it be. Sure, Georgians are too, but, they are usually considered devious tramps with backward principles.
Even in the Balkans you can distinguish, generally, aggregate face vs aggregate face (not so easy with just individuals, although still often possible) between an Albanian Muslim and Bosnian Muslim or a Serbian Christian and Croatian Christian. Ok, the religion wasn't necessary there, sure, but, actually, it is, because, again, religion is the root of those slight differences here. Over time, tendencies and peculiarities within groups create certain behaviours and standards in appearances, etc etc etc.

Anyways, i am going off on a tangent. So, the point, somewhat connected to that point just loosely made a moment earlier, was that Armenians, in Russia, are seen positively (relatively), yet, in outward appearance, at first sight, to somebody who doesn't know better, it is difficult to tell the difference between an Armenian and the rest. Generally Armenians in Russia are seen as wealthy (or at least richer), with an exotic noble appeal. Even the less well off Armenians in Russia are considered to be 'cool' gangster types, as opposed to the 'bad' gangster types that other groups are considered. It's all abstracted bullshit (what isn't?) but it is the thinking of the herd and understanding it helps. Helps with what? Getting what you want from a given situation.
Well, there's some substance. Not much, but it should be enough to lead the conclusion and advice i will proffer below.

Guys, if you look like you are of the Turkish / Greek / Balkan yolk, or even of the Southern Italian variety, and want your look to work in your favour, then dress well enough, avoid mop hair styles, joke on the fact that you can pass for a Chechnyan mafioso, be comfortable with the sneering attitudes of some - you will encounter this - and you can work it in your favour, and, if they believe you to be Armenian, then it is already in your favour.
Alternatively, should you hang out in the wrong places (not wrong places per se, just wrong places for your look) , dress yourself in all black, wear a leather jacket and black leather shoes, fail to smile, and then they (those Russian girls) will think you to be a a part time mini cab driver who sleeps in your car, washes twice a week and is probably Azerbaijani. Don't do this if you want to bang Russian chicks.


In the Ukraine, however, being Armenian isn't really positive at all. It is mroe of a neutral thing. Being Greek there works well. But that's Ukraine, and that's the Dominican Republic, and this conversation was about Russia. Or Russian. Yep.
 
Roosh, Is Russia going to finally be the place where you "not just get your flag" but actually "plant your flag and create your own poosy paradise" as you had alluded to in your "King of Warsaw" posts?
 

jimukr104

Ostrich
Actually despite the war with Georgia you mention some silly stuff. If you watched Russian tv and saw what their sex symbols are you would see it's a guy with dark features and light skin. Basically a Georgian looking guy. They were the don Juans of fsu. They also like Greek and Italians looks better than others. They recently don't like the sex tourism of the southern Europeans but I don't think they will get discriminated against. Young girls I admit are being sold on shaved head thug like guys but I laugh whenever someone says they don't like Georgians or Italians. No other type stimulates them like they do. The blond blue eyed doe face Russian boy is what they refer to the peasant look.
 

iknowexactly

Crow
Gold Member
Lika said:
Roosh, I told you so when you were in Ukraine...

The only thing that prevents you is the fact that Russians, on the whole, are extremely racist and don't like dark skinned or "persian looking" people (that they brand "Caucasus").

You should perhaps go to Russia first, spend a few months and then decide if Russian is the language you really need.

He's 6'3", under 40, has very good game. Can't miss. Also from his videos, he presents more like an American, more deferential if people are nice. Roosh doesn't have that hard, sort of arrogant demeanor of some Middle Easterners.
 

POHammer

 
Banned
I know a persian who is killing it in Ukraine. But the dude shaves his facial hair, lifts weights religiously, and speaks fluent Russian after living there for years. He also told me the anti-foreigner sentiment increased dramatically since he first arrived 6 years ago
 

Atilla

 
Banned
Turkey is the top tourist destination for Russians, mainly in Antalya, followed by Bodrum. There are even lots of Russian, German, and English girls who go because they like Turkish men. Some Russian girls go every summer, and I’ve met several Ukrainian girls who spoke Turkish.

Why not just go to the spot where your niche is most rewarded? I know Roosh went to Istanbul not so long ago, but some much better spots would be Antalya, Bodrum, and Marmaris. My cousin who lives in Turkey started going to Antalya every year because of all the love Russian girls would give him. He looks exactly like Roosh actually.

Istanbul is more expensive than these places, but there are also Istanbul districts like Laleli where Russian is spoken more than Turkish because of an influx of FSU immigrants. These aren't the better areas of Istanbul.

Also, I recommend Turkey for Russian-loving non-white guys who are concerned about racism. You won’t get shit for being black in Turkey. You might get stared at a lot, but it’s just a Turkish thing to stare out of curiosity. Instead of going to some freezing racist shithole, go where the people show you warmth and respect.

A lot of guys talk about cock-blocking by Turkish men, and I think Roosh even tweeted that, but if you consistently experience this, go to bars/clubs where it’s required of every group to include at least one girl. This is great because the ratios at these clubs tended to be very good, which is usually a big negative about Turkey.

I could have been there on lucky nights though, so don’t get too excited about ratios just yet because a country with a majority virgin female population can easily turn into a sausage field. The Greenhouse at 1:19 in the video below is a good example of a bar/club with a female requirement.

What I would sometimes do when there was just ask some girls outside to go in with us and they would leave or we would separate after a bit. Or you can bring a Russian girl you just met to these places and make your move from there. Most guys I saw in those female-required clubs were with their girlfriends. The single guys weren’t very impressive there either. I got a lot of attention from hot European chicks in these clubs. I had an incredible time and danced and flirted a lot, but I was there with family, so I had to forfeit a number of potential flags. It’ll be a different story next time because I’d like to go solo.

I like bar street in Marmaris. It’s right next to a beach where you can game topless chicks during the daytime ;)

 

Mersault

Sparrow
The Russians who go to Turkey on holiday are the ones who didn't have enough time to organise a Schengen visa to Europe to go to Italy, Spain, France or Greece etc for the summer or who didn't have enough money to do a European vacation, so they do an all inclusive or half board trip to Turkey. Turkish visa restrictions are non existent. Sure, Russian women will bang the Turkish dudes in Turkey, but that isn't why they go there. The reasons are time (last minute bookings), visa issues or price (cheaper bookings). 95% of Russian chicks with an option between Europe or Turkey will choose Europe. Atilla, you're wrong.

And jimukr104. Read my post properly. Yes, dark features and light skinned are what Russians like. You are merely reiterating my point there, but, nevertheless, you're right. Ha. That was incidental. After all, dark featured, light skinned - that is what an Armenian looks like. Russian girls like that look.

Imagine two scenarios.

Scenario A.
If a dude who looks like that approaches a girl and says his name is Artak Harnoyan (typical Armenian type name) the girl will like him. She will have liked him from his look. She will have liked him even more when the hope that he was Armenian was confirmed. If he has a Russian sounding name like that, even better.

Scenario B.
Now, if a dude who looks like that approaches a girl and says his name is Joba Kobiashvili (typical Georgian type name) her initial high rating of him will have been diminished, even somewhat tarnished, by the fact he is Georgian. Yes, it is a shame. But yes, it is the way the Russian girl tends to think.

Now, will she still think the dude in scenario B better than looking than the Russian gopnik with his oversized trousers, pinched cheeks and strawberry picking haircut? Yes, she will. But Russians consider Georgians as 'eh'. Armenians, however, they consider as 'oh, really?' .

So even though the two dudes look similar, one of them is on the end of positive discrimination, the other on negative.

It's like my pal Sayed (Said actually, but i don't trust half of this forum to be able to get the point - for the other half, i included the correct English spelling. You decide which part you're on). He is Egyptian. He is good looking. He has adequate game. When he says his name is Massimo or Fabio, he gets 3x as much action. When he says his real name, well, he gets 3x less. Same dude. Same clothes. Same game. Same tendencies. Know what the difference is? The initial platform that he is working off. Some girls, when he pretends to be Italian, let him start from level 4 (easier to close). With others, when he is his Egyptian self, he begins from level 0 and so it is that much harder to pass each level succesfully.

So, yes. It makes a difference. And yes, Armenians, despite looking very similar to Georgians, are treated better. So jimukr104, i mentioned some silly stuff, indeed i did, but, none of the silly stuff i mentioned was that which you pulled me up on. Have a nice weekend.
 

DVY

Ostrich
Gold Member
@Mersault- haha. this story reminds me. People forget that in America we have no "clear cut classes" or "aristocracy". In much else of the world, the color of your skin IS who you are. A close 2nd is your nationality. 3rd is clothing/money.

I speak fluent Russian, but I look Asian/mixed-Asian. Kind of like a light-skinned tall Mongolian dude. Girls thought I was a uneducated savage or something, then it came out I was from Los Angeles (boom status boost!). It was hysterical as a 12 yr old who grew up in egalitarian society like USA.

@Roosh- you should always introduce yourself as from Washington DC. or as the russian say it---vashing-toooon DC. Say i used to live near the white house or some silly thing like that. Watch the girls eyes light up...
 

Atilla

 
Banned
Mersault said:
The Russians who go to Turkey on holiday are the ones who didn't have enough time to organise a Schengen visa to Europe to go to Italy, Spain, France or Greece etc for the summer or who didn't have enough money to do a European vacation, so they do an all inclusive or half board trip to Turkey. Turkish visa restrictions are non existent. Sure, Russian women will bang the Turkish dudes in Turkey, but that isn't why they go there. The reasons are time (last minute bookings), visa issues or price (cheaper bookings). 95% of Russian chicks with an option between Europe or Turkey will choose Europe. Atilla, you're wrong.

I actually thought you gave valuable information and advice.
What am I wrong about though?
Turkey is the top tourist destination for Russians, mainly in Antalya, followed by Bodrum.

This is a fact. It's the top tourist spot for Russians. #1.

Who cares whether the majority of hot Russian tourist girls would have preferred to be in Spain, France, Mexico, or Botswana? You won't find more Russians on vacation anywhere else but Turkey, specifically Antalya and Bodrum.

There are even lots of Russian, German, and English girls who go because they like Turkish men. Some Russian girls go every summer, and I’ve met several Ukrainian girls who spoke Turkish.

These are also facts. I could have hyped it a bit, but what I wrote shouldn't have been misleading. I'm not saying most female European tourists choose Turkey because they like Turkish men - just like how most American women who travel to Jamaica aren't doing so to have sex with Jamaican men. I'm saying a lot of European girls do choose Turkey at least in large part for that reason, and sometimes specifically for that reason, as you can see in the map below.

The quality of men may be good for women living in Western Europe, but tourists may leave disappointed if they go there thinking men will swarm them for sex. Women can go an entire week in Germany and France without even being approached once. There are sizable numbers of women in Russia and Europe who meet a man in Turkey and end up getting married. The easiest places for a Turk to find Turk-loving Russian women are Antalya and Bodrum.

Do you honestly believe 30 million annual tourists to Turkey go there only because it's cheap? Only to see some historical sites?

Destination Map for Female Sex Tourism
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism
 
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