Studying the Russian language
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jimukr104
Ostrich
well isn't that due to the WAR?Georgians tend to be no darker skin wise than Italians. I have dated a few Georgian gals in my life,we have loads in Brooklyn. Andy Garcia resembles their president even. So I have to assume its politics influencing their dislike??. But I am telling you those guys were the Don Juan's during Soviet times. Things are changing. If you ask me I think most FSU girls don't even like foreigners any more.I saw this trend starting way back in 2002 when i lived in Kiev. The college age gals were being brainwashed in school by their underpaid teachers that they NEED to date only local native guys. I met a few women who got angry when friends would flock to us.Mersault said:
I just asked my wife. Shes Ukrainian but Odessan. Means she is Russian basically. She says the Georgians were often considered sexy ,attractive,manly,etc. Armenian guys were famous their funny dancing ,etc. Both admired for different things. They also like Bulgarians but hated Romanians since they are similar to Moldovans. Moldovans are considered STUPID.She thinks that after the political tensions between Russia and Georgia views can /have gotten worst.But Ukrainians support Georgia so there will be mixed views in Ukraine depending if the Ukrainian is Western vs Russian patriot. Some peasant Ukrainians might hate Georgia simply because Stalin was Georgian.
Conclusion:
1. FSU people are FUCKED in the head and irrational(Wolverine use to say that)
2. They change tastes faster and more often than you guys change underwear.
3. Because of #2 women will conform and have tastes that are different based on how old they are.Example, women over 30 might like and be attracted to an ethnic group that women 25-30 won't. It is similar in the west where women of different generations are attracted to different looking media stars depending on who was popular when they were growing up.
4. Asians and Blacks will always have an uphill battle. But like in any country there will be a niche that will tolerate them and might even want to experiment with them.Can make them temp. celebrities behind closed doors
5.having the RIGHT game, style and mannerisms can conquer #1-4
Atilla said:Mersault said:
I actually thought you gave valuable information and advice.
What am I wrong about though?
This is a fact. It's the top tourist spot for Russians. #1.
Who cares whether the majority of hot Russian tourist girls would have preferred to be in Spain, France, Mexico, or Botswana? You won't find more Russians on vacation anywhere else but Turkey, specifically Antalya and Bodrum.
These are also facts. I could have hyped it a bit, but what I wrote shouldn't have been misleading. I'm not saying most female European tourists choose Turkey because they like Turkish men - just like how most American women who travel to Jamaica aren't doing so to have sex with Jamaican men. I'm saying a lot of European girls do choose Turkey at least in large part for that reason, and sometimes specifically for that reason, as you can see in the map below.
The quality of men may be good for women living in Western Europe, but tourists may leave disappointed if they go there thinking men will swarm them for sex. Women can go an entire week in Germany and France without even being approached once. There are sizable numbers of women in Russia and Europe who meet a man in Turkey and end up getting married. The easiest places for a Turk to find Turk-loving Russian women are Antalya and Bodrum.
Do you honestly believe 30 million annual tourists to Turkey go there only because it's cheap? Only to see some historical sites?
Destination Map for Female Sex Tourism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism
Firstly, i don't think all of the 30 million odd tourists who visit Turkey every year go because it's cheap. But i think a large percentage of them do. In fact, once the relative safety, relative cost and relative distance are considered i can easily understand why Turkey is such a popular tourist destination. It isn't sex tourism. It's SAFE CHEAP sun that is NOT FAR AWAY from Europeans / Russians, and Turkey has decent infrastructure. That's pretty much what Turkey's attraction to most Europeans / Russians mounts up to. To Russians there is also the Schengen visa issue vs no issue. Sex tourism (sex with native Turks) has little to do with their choice. The tone of your post implied this (''there are even lots of Russian, German, English girls who go because they like Turkish men'') was a large part of the sell. I'm stating it isn't. Next to no British or Russian girl goes to lastminute.com and books a holiday to Turkey because they like Turkish men. Yes, they might like Turkish men, and yes, many will have sex with Turkish men, but that isn't why they are going. If that holiday to Bodrum for 7 days all inclusive for £299 was available to Italy by the sea, they'd all go there instead. So, all in, what i am saying is that when they get to Turkey, yes, they will like Turkish men - after all, many are fine looking guys - and many of them will bang Turkish guys. But it is misleading to suggest or infer that is WHY they booked to go to Turkey. A half consequence of being there isn't a cause for going there. Anyhow, since that initial post you have acknowledged that you hyped it a bit and it's a waste of time continuing this.
I'll conclude. Many Russian women go to Turkey on holiday. Many of them bang Turkish guys. But almost all didn't book to go there to bang Turkish guys - ie. that wasn't their reason for going. Rather, the reason was cheap, safe, local, visa friendly sun. Those are reasons. Ha. I just thought of an example.
Russians in the $1200 monthly salary save up and go to Turkey in the summer. Russians in the $1800 monthly salary save up and go to Thailand. See what i'm getting at? They aren't going to Thailand for the native men. It's just that for their economic profile it's a relatively suitable holiday. Ok, this example wasn't the best, but the Champions League semi final starts soon and i'm hungover and writing like an Iranian who has spent 4 years cleaning dishes. Take care sir.
Mersault said:
I would have missed the match if I didn't read this post. Caught the first goal.
No, you're right about all that. I'm Turkish, so maybe that's why I'm leaning toward recommending Turkey.
I'm usually asked if I'm Greek or Armenian since there aren't many other Turks where I live, so your posts are definitely appreciated and I'll keep your advice in mind when I visit Moscow this year. I chose Moscow largely because that's where the cheapest flights are
Tenerife
Kingfisher
Learning languages is definitely fun. It gets you in that "flow" state, where you are totally absorbed in something new.
Russian is cool because its so different from germanic and romance languages. The sounds are totally new. While its difficult, it feels like a totally different language.
Russian is cool because its so different from germanic and romance languages. The sounds are totally new. While its difficult, it feels like a totally different language.
Two months update:
I finished all three units of Pimsleur (for a second time). I breezed through unit 1 and most of unit 2, only having to do each lesson once, but then things got hard again where I felt like I was learning some of the words for the first time.
Pimsleur is mentally taxing, but it gives you a large vocabulary and enough confidence to make sentences. Its biggest flaw is it doesn't tell you rules, so there are some weird constructions and you have no idea why, making you frustrated.
I'm halfway through Michel Thomas Foundations. It has eight CDs total. The pace is much slower than Pimsleur with less vocabulary, but it gives you more of the logic behind the language. It's probably better to do Michel Thomas before Pimsleur, but I think both are helpful in their own right. After Foundations, I will try the Vocabulary Builder and then Advanced.
Italki language teachers. A growing problem I have is my pronunciation. I'm saying the Russian words and people don't understand about 33% of the time, or they ask me to repeat. It was time to get some instructors to help me, so I went to Italki and now have two teachers. One costs $10/hour and the other is $8/hour. They complement each other because one forces me to do a lot of speaking while the other is heavy on grammar. The lessons are done on skype, and are comparable to what you would get at a language school.
The downside is that you don't get paper materials (they send you scans) and you also don't get the benefit of community (meeting people at your language school). The plus is that it's incredibly convenient, especially if you're not staying in one city for a long time. Your learning is not interrupted if you're traveling.
If you're interested in Italki, hit this link to check it out so I get a credit if you sign up:
http://www.italki.com/?ref=1084914
Progress is slow, but it's coming. One day at a time...
I finished all three units of Pimsleur (for a second time). I breezed through unit 1 and most of unit 2, only having to do each lesson once, but then things got hard again where I felt like I was learning some of the words for the first time.
Pimsleur is mentally taxing, but it gives you a large vocabulary and enough confidence to make sentences. Its biggest flaw is it doesn't tell you rules, so there are some weird constructions and you have no idea why, making you frustrated.
I'm halfway through Michel Thomas Foundations. It has eight CDs total. The pace is much slower than Pimsleur with less vocabulary, but it gives you more of the logic behind the language. It's probably better to do Michel Thomas before Pimsleur, but I think both are helpful in their own right. After Foundations, I will try the Vocabulary Builder and then Advanced.
Italki language teachers. A growing problem I have is my pronunciation. I'm saying the Russian words and people don't understand about 33% of the time, or they ask me to repeat. It was time to get some instructors to help me, so I went to Italki and now have two teachers. One costs $10/hour and the other is $8/hour. They complement each other because one forces me to do a lot of speaking while the other is heavy on grammar. The lessons are done on skype, and are comparable to what you would get at a language school.
The downside is that you don't get paper materials (they send you scans) and you also don't get the benefit of community (meeting people at your language school). The plus is that it's incredibly convenient, especially if you're not staying in one city for a long time. Your learning is not interrupted if you're traveling.
If you're interested in Italki, hit this link to check it out so I get a credit if you sign up:
http://www.italki.com/?ref=1084914
Progress is slow, but it's coming. One day at a time...
This must mean Russia is on deck...
i havent studied russian but for specific pronounciation or gramnar constructs you might want to check out fiverr.com, and just search "russian"
Tenerife
Kingfisher
I'm working through pimsleur right now. Some of the words are pretty hard to repeat accurately, and I have to look stuff up. They really could repeat the ultra long consonant clusters a few more times slowly.
When it asks you to create a new phrase, it's always good to pause the tape an extra second longer so that you can fully figure out the phrase yourself without hearing them do it in russian. I feel like new connections are being made when I do that.
When it asks you to create a new phrase, it's always good to pause the tape an extra second longer so that you can fully figure out the phrase yourself without hearing them do it in russian. I feel like new connections are being made when I do that.
Architekt
Ostrich
Russian is just so awesome. I'm going to start going through the Michel Thomas and Pimsleur Russian recordings every day. I now have access to my laptop and stuff, so I can update my iPod and actually have language shiz with me. Also, memrise is pretty handy, along with RussianPod101. With RP101, you can sign up for free and get a week of access to everything on the site. I downloaded every course they had at some point for some language
EDIT: I just looked to my right and noticed a book shelf full of Russian literature about a metre away from me
EDIT: I just looked to my right and noticed a book shelf full of Russian literature about a metre away from me
theArbiter
Sparrow
Roosh said:
Russian pronunciation is not difficult.
Now, disclaimer: I took a bit over a year of Russian about 4 years ago, but I've left it to pursue/perfect other languages. Thus, my vocabulary pretty much has vanished. Sometimes when I'm bored, however, I open my Russian textbook and mess around with exercises and vocabulary. Even though I've forgotten a lot, my sojourn in Russian still carries benefits today, mainly, in that Russian grammar does not scare me. Russian is a freaking fun language, so I do regret that I can't revive it at this point in time. Anyhow, I put this here since I understand some people might not want to follow advice from someone who hasn't completely conquered the language (though I do have a lot of experience with other languages).
IMO, the two keys to Russian pronunciation:
1. STRESS. Take special care on this. Unfortunately, the stress is unpredictable and sometimes even mobile.
2. PALATALIZATION. Besides stress, it is this phonological phenomenon which makes Russian so distinctive. Ask yourself, can you pronounce мат and мать distinctly and correctly? Can you identify whether a consonant is soft or hard according to which vowel follows in the event there is no soft sign? If not, read up on it.
Now, here's the key with palatalization. It is really easy and FUN to pronounce once you know the key.
A hard consonant is typical in most languages, so you should know how to pronounce it.
For a soft consonant, they key is that you want the middle of your tongue to touch the roof of your mouth in the soft palette. A corollary to this is that you want the tip of your tongue to touch your bottom teeth.