Suggestions on dealing with specific types of male behavior

MBell

Sparrow
Woman
Orthodox
Hi everyone,
I wanted to get perspective and general advice on how to navigate certain behaviors I encounter in daily life. I know it has been discussed about how men use endearing phrases which isn’t a big deal to me. However, when things pass words and are instead behavior, I have more questions. How do you give a man a hint in the workplace or your neighborhood (ie persistent neighbor) that you are not interested in but will continue to interact with in the future? They won’t just be a one-time interaction in life so I feel like they have to be handled a little differently. For example, a delivery person that comes to the workplace with packages and is too friendly/flirty even after it’s been made clear (in a respectful way) that there is no potential.How have you all dealt with such situations or would you recommend doing so? Thanks.
 

messaggera

Kingfisher
Woman
Other Christian
For example, a delivery person that comes to the workplace with packages and is too friendly/flirty even after it’s been made clear (in a respectful way) that there is no potential.

Is he touchy flirty? Or inappropriate innuendo flirty?
 

Starlight

Kingfisher
Woman
Protestant
Do you think there is something you’re doing that could be giving him the wrong impression, that you’re interested/open to him?

overly talkative and paying too much attention.
Could he just be a friendly person that’s trying to be nice? What has he said or done that made you feel uncomfortable?
 
This is probably the only good thing that some of us got out of our pre Christian days of hitting on women for years- you get really good at reading body language. I'd recommend the most obvious signs of rejection- arms crossed over chest, or legs crossed and closed body language. The great thing about it is that you don't have be rude at all to still get the point across. If that doesn't work you might need to revert to 1 word, terse answers.
 

KC123

Pigeon
Woman
Orthodox
In summary: NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION and observe how alpha males behave with other men!(Non-verbal communication accounts for 97% of communication and we women need to remember that men generally don't have a 6th sense like we do. As such, we need to treat them accordingly a.k.a assertive and clear, and not like we would treat a woman we might be having issues with)

Caveat: Below I'm not saying act like a bitch at all. My trick is always to try and imagine the classiest/best version of myself and try to emulate how she would react. It's more about having that air of confidence and self-respect, and ensuring that my behaviour demonstrates that I expect that same respect from them too. Don't try to accomodate their flirting or whatever behaviour makes you uncomfortable. Generally, you're no-one special to them. They just take what you will let them get and putting an end to that behaviour will not make any difference to them. They'll just move onto the next woman who lets them behave that way, so don't stress over it. Men are not like women!!

So - here's how I do it:

I'm a female in my 20's that works in a multi-national company that is mostly males (atm I project manage a team of 18 and there is only 1 other female). Whilst overall I am treated with the utmost respect, I do have to deal with the outliers every so often (3 in the past 6 months - and please note I do my best to not give off the wrong impression and so I genuinely do not believe I am at fault when the situation arises).

As such, my opinion on this has changed over time and this is in part due to my growing understanding of men.

I used to try and deal with those behaviours in a way that accomodated the situation so as not to make it awkward. However, if you've tried that and the guy is still clearly not getting the message my tactic now is to just go completely ice-cold. Not overtly rude, but I literally do not engage them in anything they say that goes beyond the scope of work and or context - and that includes allowing for awkward silences and making it obvious you are avoiding them. Even cutting the conversation short, changing your voice tone and the biggest one - not smiling or laughing when you're uncomfortable with what they've said. Sit in the awkwardness of what they said but don't make it 'too' obvious you're doing it. Just as if their chat is kind of boring and so you're not engaged.

Obviously - I am NOT saying to be mean and or rude but stand your ground. Just don't engage them.

This shock tactic has proved enough for them to stop behaving in that manner with me and even making the effort to be more courteous. In the end, I have a good working relationship with all 3 (and more from all previous years).

I believe that in most cases, so long as you keep being friendly/courteous, the guy will not get the message. They are not like women who have that 6th sense, and we need learn to act accordingly!! Non-verbal communication accounts for 97% of communication so once their behaviour stops eliciting a pleasurable response from you they might start thinking with their heads again and start accomodating THEIR behaviour to the situation. As a result, over time you end up having a normal working relationship and that boundary has been drawn without you actually having had to talk about it.

Takes less time than you might imagine too. Also, if they do end up having a negative reaction, unless they are in some position of power, what can they really do?

Anyone else agree or have anything further to add?
 

KC123

Pigeon
Woman
Orthodox
This is probably the only good thing that some of us got out of our pre Christian days of hitting on women for years- you get really good at reading body language. I'd recommend the most obvious signs of rejection- arms crossed over chest, or legs crossed and closed body language. The great thing about it is that you don't have be rude at all to still get the point across. If that doesn't work you might need to revert to 1 word, terse answers.
Exactly. You literally just summarised what I said in my response although now it has the male stamp of approval!
 

stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
This is probably the only good thing that some of us got out of our pre Christian days of hitting on women for years- you get really good at reading body language. I'd recommend the most obvious signs of rejection- arms crossed over chest, or legs crossed and closed body language. The great thing about it is that you don't have be rude at all to still get the point across. If that doesn't work you might need to revert to 1 word, terse answers.
Yes, I'd say that I don't regret a second of those lessons myself - and having also worked in the service industry for years, I by default assume a worker being nice to me is just being polite because that's their job.

It's pretty cringe when someone misreads friendliness for flirting - especially if it's someone in their twilight years, where you're reluctant to make a stink about it.
 
Def agree to not laugh at their jokes. Because the thing is, even if the guy gets that you aren't super interested, he might not get it fully. And with 0 to lose by continuing to try, many guys will err on the side of too much flirting. BUT if you take away his entertainment and joy in the process, and make it no fun whatsoever to continue to try, the vast majority will not waste their time anymore.
 

MBell

Sparrow
Woman
Orthodox
Thanks for the feedback. It helps to think that there are nonverbal ways to communicate my stance and convey lack of interest. I definitely consciously seek to minimize any potential misinterpretation. I think that knowing other women in my same position are able to stop similar behaviors is encouraging. It makes me feel more confident in ensuring that I can handle such situations in a respectful but firm way.
 

MBell

Sparrow
Woman
Orthodox
"It makes me uncomfortable when you do/say X."

Men can have this problem too with other men. I can show every body language sign of disinterest but the person keeps talking and talking.
That’s good advice. I just have a hard time being direct overall, and I am overly conscious of how my response may be perceived. I appreciate the perspective of everyone because it helps me to realize that it is sometimes good to be direct, and it can be done without being rude.
 

dragonfire00

Robin
Woman
Protestant
If the direct responses don't work look into the "grey rock method". Essentially be as short as possible without being rude, don't continue a conversation when he talks to you just give one wordish answers. If there is an area that he tries to find you at maybe wear headphones and listen to music be on a "phone call" in advance. Since it sounds like you have to work with them, you can answer questions pertinent to whatever you need to do with them but if they steer the convo away bring it back to the topic. Some examples "How was your weekend?" "Good." (don't ask him back). Be as BORING as possible too. "What did you do on vacation?" "Just chilled." If the one word responses doesn't give this guy the hint you aren't interested in talking to him about manners that are not work related, it will at least give the impression that you are an uninteresting individual which could help your case. If he's IMing you or texting you take a while to respond.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
If the direct responses don't work look into the "grey rock method". Essentially be as short as possible without being rude, don't continue a conversation when he talks to you just give one wordish answers. If there is an area that he tries to find you at maybe wear headphones and listen to music be on a "phone call" in advance. Since it sounds like you have to work with them, you can answer questions pertinent to whatever you need to do with them but if they steer the convo away bring it back to the topic. Some examples "How was your weekend?" "Good." (don't ask him back). Be as BORING as possible too. "What did you do on vacation?" "Just chilled." If the one word responses doesn't give this guy the hint you aren't interested in talking to him about manners that are not work related, it will at least give the impression that you are an uninteresting individual which could help your case. If he's IMing you or texting you take a while to respond.
A lot of extremely attractive women are good at this. They are sitting there, there but not quite there, staring off in the distance, avoiding eye contact without seeming to, excellent emotional control, as nothing the guy says seems to elicit any emotional response, and they are on total social autopilot in such a way that they are never quite rude and never quite engaged, and the guy doesn't ever feel she is intentionally batting down his conversational gambits, it more feels like nothing is quite sticking and he can't understand why. It just seems like the conversation doesn't go where he wants and he can't understand why.

Watching one of these girls in action is a kind that of a masterclass.
 

Feyoder

Pelican
"It makes me uncomfortable when you do/say X."

Men can have this problem too with other men. I can show every body language sign of disinterest but the person keeps talking and talking.

Good point here. Some people have just have difficulty understanding social cues (especially boring people who go on and on about themselves).

At some point, the least hurtful way of handling this is to be politely assertive: "Hey Jim, could I speak to you for a moment? Look:....."

If you do it in an overall kindly way, well, you've done the most you can and are fully justified in doing something a lot more serious if it continues.
 

Shwhite

Sparrow
Woman
I have a bad habit of laughing when I'm uncomfortable with a situation, so people often get the wrong idea and keep on going with the behavior that's making me uncomfortable. Unless I tell them outright, they won't know how I feel. That's the lesson I've learned.
 

lairofdionysus

 
Banned
In summary: NON-VERBAL COMMUNICATION and observe how alpha males behave with other men!(Non-verbal communication accounts for 97% of communication and we women need to remember that men generally don't have a 6th sense like we do. As such, we need to treat them accordingly a.k.a assertive and clear, and not like we would treat a woman we might be having issues with)

Caveat: Below I'm not saying act like a bitch at all. My trick is always to try and imagine the classiest/best version of myself and try to emulate how she would react. It's more about having that air of confidence and self-respect, and ensuring that my behaviour demonstrates that I expect that same respect from them too. Don't try to accomodate their flirting or whatever behaviour makes you uncomfortable. Generally, you're no-one special to them. They just take what you will let them get and putting an end to that behaviour will not make any difference to them. They'll just move onto the next woman who lets them behave that way, so don't stress over it. Men are not like women!!

So - here's how I do it:

I'm a female in my 20's that works in a multi-national company that is mostly males (atm I project manage a team of 18 and there is only 1 other female). Whilst overall I am treated with the utmost respect, I do have to deal with the outliers every so often (3 in the past 6 months - and please note I do my best to not give off the wrong impression and so I genuinely do not believe I am at fault when the situation arises).

As such, my opinion on this has changed over time and this is in part due to my growing understanding of men.

I used to try and deal with those behaviours in a way that accomodated the situation so as not to make it awkward. However, if you've tried that and the guy is still clearly not getting the message my tactic now is to just go completely ice-cold. Not overtly rude, but I literally do not engage them in anything they say that goes beyond the scope of work and or context - and that includes allowing for awkward silences and making it obvious you are avoiding them. Even cutting the conversation short, changing your voice tone and the biggest one - not smiling or laughing when you're uncomfortable with what they've said. Sit in the awkwardness of what they said but don't make it 'too' obvious you're doing it. Just as if their chat is kind of boring and so you're not engaged.

Obviously - I am NOT saying to be mean and or rude but stand your ground. Just don't engage them.

This shock tactic has proved enough for them to stop behaving in that manner with me and even making the effort to be more courteous. In the end, I have a good working relationship with all 3 (and more from all previous years).

I believe that in most cases, so long as you keep being friendly/courteous, the guy will not get the message. They are not like women who have that 6th sense, and we need learn to act accordingly!! Non-verbal communication accounts for 97% of communication so once their behaviour stops eliciting a pleasurable response from you they might start thinking with their heads again and start accomodating THEIR behaviour to the situation. As a result, over time you end up having a normal working relationship and that boundary has been drawn without you actually having had to talk about it.

Takes less time than you might imagine too. Also, if they do end up having a negative reaction, unless they are in some position of power, what can they really do?

Anyone else agree or have anything further to add?
As long as you are being honest with yourself and honest / consistent with your interactions and responses with the Men (and not hiding attraction to a Man if you genuinely have it), then this shouldn't be a problem or bring about any unintended results, for the most part.

Non-Verbal Communication is key, but it only works best when both people involved (even if in a workplace scenario like you mentioned) are on the same level of mindset and maturity, even if not attracted to or interested in the person.

I don't know how to explain it, but girls tend to have this "magic" in their ability to convey things non-verbally in the right manner but only when she is being fully honest with everyone including herself and when she indifferent to her own self (i.e. no ego but no low self-esteem either). Also with things like you said, with the tone of voice.

It's an uncomfortable situation when a Man (who may or may not be attracted to the girl, in any situation) has to be around a girl who makes him feel "unease" in her presence, but even if the guy is attracted and the girl is not, there are plenty of ways the girl can consistently and in non-verbal fashions if she is not interested in him.

I've been in some rare but unique scenarios which once in a while play out in mutual favor. One night bar I used to go to often, there was a girl who was a bartender that worked there, decent looking but kind of average, although I had no particular interest to her romantically and neither did she, but the nice thing about it is that as I was treated as a regular there and we would talk about all kinds of things there, but at the same time we both didn't have any inclination towards each other of any interest or any agenda. So what was good about it is that the conversations flowed nicely and were more as a "matter of fact" without there being any sense of flirting or trying to make a move on either side. Even though I had no interest in her, it would still have been uncomfortable for me if by me talking with her in every moment there that she assumed I only did it because I was trying to flirt with her, when I would have had the same level of conversation if the bartender there was a guy. I haven't had any situations like this in many years, with how much things have changed now. It was also more during a time when people still had a sense of standards.

To put things in contrast to today, some place I regularly go to get sandwiches at and the same girl who works there, one day I gave her an honest answer when she asked me how my day was and I started a conversation about the scamdemic and vaccines and the ridiculousness of the agenda. At one point she actually thought I was there to flirt with her and seemed puzzled when she realized I was actually there to order a sandwich.
 

Vigilant

Kingfisher
Woman
Protestant
Some people have just have difficulty understanding social cues (especially boring people who go on and on about themselves).
I have an ongoing problem with people like this. I just pretend I'm interested, make a getaway when it seems safe, and find myself avoiding them in future. Conversing is dying, and it's killing my social life; sigh.
 

Leeloo

Woodpecker
Woman
Catholic
That’s good advice. I just have a hard time being direct overall, and I am overly conscious of how my response may be perceived. I appreciate the perspective of everyone because it helps me to realize that it is sometimes good to be direct, and it can be done without being rude.
I think that a lot of women in their 20’s have a hard time with this. We’re raised and taught to be people pleasers. Anyway, you will grow more confident with time and experience. Just try out some of the advice given here (short answers, body language cues,etc). Once you successfully do it once or twice, it does get easier and will come more naturally. Unfortunately you will come across this situation many times in life and acquiring the skill to handle it smoothly and politely is essential.
 
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