Supplements and foods that may DECREASE testosterone

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My favorite protein is True Nutrition's grass-fed whey protein. It's soy-free and it tastes great. You can also get bulk discounts.

https://truenutrition.com/whey-proteins.aspx

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Solid info Swuglyfe. I researched everything way back and avoid most of the stuff. Europe is generally for now less toxic, some places even have high-end water that surpasses some mineral water. Also Europeans are nowhere near as medicated.

All the supposedly crazy stuff about water making us gay - well it may sound crazy, but in a way it is true. Toxins and estrogen mimicker make men more feminine, depending on the dosage it is possible that almost only girls get born in some areas of the US and this phenomenon is even studied. Now if the chemicals are that strong to change a sex of a fetus, what does this say about sexual orientation or feminine nature?

It is close to impossible to avoid everything on the list, but you can always pick better water, better food, far less toxic cosmetics and soaps. I have been doing it for years now.

Another point which I might add is that high-dosage supplements like a good multi and the recommended doses of 2000-5000 mg vitamin C, 5000IU D3 - all of that speeds up detox process tremendously:

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v10n09.shtml

Now this study concerns detoxing after XANAX, which is hard to get off to, but similar programs can be done at lower vitamin doses for a variety of toxins.

I read that some heavy metals are detoxed at speeds of up to 50 times higher due to a higher vitamin C dose alone. With food you are lucky to get 150mg - I take 2000mg - close to impossible to get via food and studies show that even 5000mg per day is good.

So the more toxic the environment, the more important are supplements and not less.

 

[reliquary]

Good additions Zelcorp, this thread is really rolling now. I like to adhere to the approach to keep it simple, stupid.

This is a list of the common sources of harmful chemicals, and what I use instead:

Seventh Generation Fragrance Free Dish Soap
Seventh Generation Disinfecting Wipes
Method Daily Shower Cleaner
Method Bathroom Cleaner
I don't use dishwashers, I hand wash everything.
African Black Soap Fragrance Free Body Wash
JASON Fragrance Free Shampoo
Puracy Hand Soap
Seventh Generation Toilet Cleaner
Seventh Generation Natural Glass and Surface Cleaner, Free and Clear
Tide PODS Free and Gentle (note these still SUCK and I am just using up my supply, I intend to replace them with Grab Green pods, Fragrance Free)
Bulldog Original Moisturizer
Bulldog Eye Roller
I used to wash my face every morning with Neutrogena Naturals Facial Cleanser but just use water and a scrub now.
JASON Sea Salt Mouth Rinse
Desert Essence Tea Tree Oil Toothpaste

Suggestions for improving this common set of household chemicals are welcome. I tried to find mass market ones without phthalates, parabens, SLS, preservatives, and even fragrances wherever possible.

 

[Nineteen84]

I went to the lab today to check my testosterone levels and the result had me surprised.

I checked them last year at a time when I had been 100% sober for months, 3 months on a strict high fat zero carb diet, no fap, lifting 4x week and martial arts 3x week, regular sleep patterns. I lived like a monk.

Now, I have mostly been eating like a vegan\vegetarian, low protein, and I have been partying few times a week. I even had a few smokes and been pretty sloppy with everything but I have been to the gym 4-6 times a week.

I went to the lab slighty hungover today and my levels have gone with 20% since last year.

An interesting fact about smoking:

Study:Endogenous testosterone levels and smoking in men.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17163954

Smoking men had 15% higher total and 13% higher free testosterone levels compared with men who never smoked. Thus, smoking seems to be an important confounding factor when evaluating testosterone levels, and could possibly mask borderline hypogonadism.

 

[redbeard]

Good additions Zelcorp, this thread is really rolling now. I like to adhere to the approach to keep it simple, stupid.

This is a list of the common sources of harmful chemicals, and what I use instead:

Seventh Generation Fragrance Free Dish Soap
Seventh Generation Disinfecting Wipes
Method Daily Shower Cleaner
Method Bathroom Cleaner
I don't use dishwashers, I hand wash everything.
African Black Soap Fragrance Free Body Wash
JASON Fragrance Free Shampoo
Puracy Hand Soap
Seventh Generation Toilet Cleaner
Seventh Generation Natural Glass and Surface Cleaner, Free and Clear
Tide PODS Free and Gentle (note these still SUCK and I am just using up my supply, I intend to replace them with Grab Green pods, Fragrance Free)
Bulldog Original Moisturizer
Bulldog Eye Roller
I used to wash my face every morning with Neutrogena Naturals Facial Cleanser but just use water and a scrub now.
JASON Sea Salt Mouth Rinse
Desert Essence Tea Tree Oil Toothpaste

Suggestions for improving this common set of household chemicals are welcome. I tried to find mass market ones without phthalates, parabens, SLS, preservatives, and even fragrances wherever possible.

I'm surprised you buy all of these mixes ad don't opt for Dr. Bronner's + ACV for everything. Shampoo, dishwasher, handsoap, can all be cured with Bronner's.

What's with the anti-dishwasher? Doesn't seem like it would be too much of an issue, it literally blasts boiling water on the dishes. If you use a clean dishwasher soap, it's the same thing as handwashing, no?

 

[BackFromTheBrink]

A good resource for learning about what may and may not increase testosterone is http://www.peaktestosterone.com/

 

[Hypno]

First, this thread on water filters is an essential prerequisite for the post to follow:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54863.html

Reading through this thread and I'll go ahead and ask here:

What about drinking Distilled Water?

Distilled water is fine minus the plastic bottle. But its literally only a drop in the bucket. Think about the water you cook and clean with, bathe with, etc; its not distilled. The water you drink at work, the water used at the restaurants you eat at. (bathing is important because you absorb chlorine through the skin and your lungs when you shower)

There is no perfect, complete solution.

If you own a home, a whole house filter is the way to go but they cost about $1500. But you still have work, restaurants, etc. You also have to supplement with minerals.

So chelating with natural substances is a good stop gap - stuff like carrot juice, chlorella, spirulina. The toxins bind to these and are removed from your body.

 

[reliquary]

Good additions Zelcorp, this thread is really rolling now. I like to adhere to the approach to keep it simple, stupid.

This is a list of the common sources of harmful chemicals, and what I use instead:

Seventh Generation Fragrance Free Dish Soap
Seventh Generation Disinfecting Wipes
Method Daily Shower Cleaner
Method Bathroom Cleaner
I don't use dishwashers, I hand wash everything.
African Black Soap Fragrance Free Body Wash
JASON Fragrance Free Shampoo
Puracy Hand Soap
Seventh Generation Toilet Cleaner
Seventh Generation Natural Glass and Surface Cleaner, Free and Clear
Tide PODS Free and Gentle (note these still SUCK and I am just using up my supply, I intend to replace them with Grab Green pods, Fragrance Free)
Bulldog Original Moisturizer
Bulldog Eye Roller
I used to wash my face every morning with Neutrogena Naturals Facial Cleanser but just use water and a scrub now.
JASON Sea Salt Mouth Rinse
Desert Essence Tea Tree Oil Toothpaste

Suggestions for improving this common set of household chemicals are welcome. I tried to find mass market ones without phthalates, parabens, SLS, preservatives, and even fragrances wherever possible.

I'm surprised you buy all of these mixes ad don't opt for Dr. Bronner's + ACV for everything. Shampoo, dishwasher, handsoap, can all be cured with Bronner's.

What's with the anti-dishwasher? Doesn't seem like it would be too much of an issue, it literally blasts boiling water on the dishes. If you use a clean dishwasher soap, it's the same thing as handwashing, no?

I think Bronner's + ACV is the final evolution of cleaning for sure. For me, it's the convenience (and smell, or lack thereof) factor. I also think it might be more approachable for people looking to transition from their Clorox wipes and Windex to have analogs, as it was for me when making this change over.

Anti-dishwasher is just because I don't have nearly enough to ever fill it. I live by myself, so the most I have dirty at one time is a fork, a pan, and a plate.

 

[CleanSlate]

Timely thread. Great info.

I've decided to go off TRT. I'm doing a restart because I'd been on test for 2 years. My lifestyle was bad up to 2 years ago -- stress levels through the roof, bad diet, too much drinking, and no lifting.

Now I have my lifestyle habits dialed in, been lifting for 2 months straight, cut back on alcohol, eating clean(er) and effectively managing stress.

So I want to take the TRT wheels off and see how my body does on its own. We shall see how I feel 3 months from now. Lifestyle habits and this thread will have a positive impact I'm sure.

 

[whenthesunhits]

I got this filter, it's awesome. A little bit of handy work to install but pretty easy. Highly recommended. High quality water is so important.

https://www.amazon.com/APEC-5-Stage-Reverse-Drinking-Water/dp/B00I0ZGOZM

Mint decreases T so watch out. It's a shame because sweet mint tea is awesome, developed a taste for this after visiting Morocco.

Alcohol, marijuana, and opiates all crush T levels. Be very wary. Nicotine may actually increase T, there are conflicting studies. Nicotine also clearly improves verbal skills and concentration, however weighing that against its negative impacts on your erections and hair over the long run (obviously critical things for a man in the game), it isn't worth it.

I use all-natural personal care products when I can, but avoid tea tree oil and lavender as ingredients. They are anti-androgenic and estrogenic (check out the study below). Especially for toothpaste, something going inside your mouth will absorb to a much greater degree than things that only touch your skin.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa064725

For a good toothpaste that is totally clean, I recommend this one. It is totally free of SLS which is a terrible ingredient in all commercial toothpastes.

https://www.amazon.com/Redmond-Earthpaste-Non-Flouride-Lemon-Twist/dp/B00BCQ2TOG?th=1

Also, if any of you use the anti-fungal shampoo Nizoral (active ingredient is Ketaconazole), it has an anti-T effect. This is partially why it is often used as a hair loss remedy.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I got this filter, it's awesome. A little bit of handy work to install but pretty easy. Highly recommended. High quality water is so important.

https://www.amazon.com/APEC-5-Stage-Reverse-Drinking-Water/dp/B00I0ZGOZM

Mint decreases T so watch out. It's a shame because sweet mint tea is awesome, developed a taste for this after visiting Morocco.

Alcohol, marijuana, and opiates all crush T levels. Be very wary. Nicotine may actually increase T, there are conflicting studies. Nicotine also clearly improves verbal skills and concentration, however weighing that against its negative impacts on your erections and hair over the long run (obviously critical things for a man in the game), it isn't worth it.

I use all-natural personal care products when I can, but avoid tea tree oil and lavender as ingredients. They are anti-androgenic and estrogenic (check out the study below). Especially for toothpaste, something going inside your mouth will absorb to a much greater degree than things that only touch your skin.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa064725

For a good toothpaste that is totally clean, I recommend this one. It is totally free of SLS which is a terrible ingredient in all commercial toothpastes.

https://www.amazon.com/Redmond-Earthpaste-Non-Flouride-Lemon-Twist/dp/B00BCQ2TOG?th=1

Also, if any of you use the anti-fungal shampoo Nizoral (active ingredient is Ketaconazole), it has an anti-T effect. This is partially why it is often used as a hair loss remedy.

Weleda toothpaste being one of the best I have found:

https://www.amazon.com/Weleda-Salt-...rd_wg=cqMlF&psc=1&refRID=M6R22YR2F4CNZMBKEHBX

They have various different kinds and I highly recommend it - completely non-toxic. You could eat it and that is what you should be able to do with most cosmetics.

As body lotion/cream/lip balm I simply use organic unprocessed shea butter, though processed shea butter is fine too. And again you can eat shea butter - it is even used as an ingredient. You can also spend cash on more expensive pure cocoa butter, but I find shea butter sufficient for any use.

I even have sex on the organic gravy train and use coconut oil as a lubricant - girls get fucked the organic way by me and it is nice, slippery and you can eat it. Some girls were even amazed that it works so well because they are used to those strange commercial lubricants. And coconut oil helps you burn calories, so getting at taste of it from my dick is actually healthy.

Excellent for cooking and butt-stuff (or close to virginal tight pussy).

 

[whenthesunhits]

A common source of BPA is thermal paper (receipts and similar print-outs) so avoid touching these as much as possible.

Parabens and Triclosan are in many personal care products and they reduce T http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0041008X07001329

Many pharmaceuticals reduce T, a few key ones are statins (Lipitor etc, terrible in many ways so must avoid), corticosteroids (Prednisone etc), cimetidine (Tagamet), sulfasalazine, and possibly NSAIDs like ibuprofen and naproxen. NSAIDs are terrible for you in many ways, especially when combined with alcohol, this is a very common cause of death due to internal bleeding. It's hard to fully avoid NSAIDs, but I would recommend using them as little as possible.

Men using statins have lower T and reduced testicular volume https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20141585
Cimetidine blocks T synthesis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4039555
Associations between NSAIDs and sex hormones http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/757423_4
Men using sulfasalazine have lower T and sperm abnormalities https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6146274

 

[Hypno]

I even have sex on the organic gravy train and use coconut oil as a lubricant - girls get fucked the organic way by me and it is nice, slippery and you can eat it. Some girls were even amazed that it works so well because they are used to those strange commercial lubricants. And coconut oil helps you burn calories, so getting at taste of it from my dick is actually healthy.

Excellent for cooking and butt-stuff (or close to virginal tight pussy).

I coconut oil I bought at Costco, which is a solid at room temperature. Is this basically the same thing? Also, doesn't it dissolve latex (condoms)?

 

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I coconut oil I bought at Costco, which is a solid at room temperature. Is this basically the same thing? Also, doesn't it dissolve latex (condoms)?

I think as long as you get organic, 100% unrefined you should be ok.

I use this stuff and I fucking love it. I even put it on my face in the mornings and it has done wonders for my skin: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003OGKCDC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

And yes, I am almost positive it will dissolve condoms (although I can't confirm first hand).

 

[Nineteen84]

Licorice

Example study:
Reduction of Serum Testosterone in Men by Licorice
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199910073411515#t=article

These results demonstrate that licorice inhibits both 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and 17,20-lyase, which catalyzes the conversion of 17-hydroxyprogesterone to androstenedione. The amounts of licorice given to these men are eaten by many people. Thus, men with decreased libido or other sexual dysfunction, as well as those with hypertension, should be questioned about licorice ingestion.

 

[polar]

^

I agree that good habits, a clean diet and avoiding toxins and man-made chemicals is important.

However, here is a reminder that there is no single factor or "cure" to a problem:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23193004

We selected 50 common ingredients from random recipes in a cookbook. PubMed queries identified recent studies that evaluated the relation of each ingredient to cancer risk. Information regarding author conclusions and relevant effect estimates were extracted. When >10 articles were found, we focused on the 10 most recent articles.
RESULTS:
Forty ingredients (80%) had articles reporting on their cancer risk. Of 264 single-study assessments, 191 (72%) concluded that the tested food was associated with an increased (n = 103) or a decreased (n = 88) risk; 75% of the risk estimates had weak (0.05 > P ≥ 0.001) or no statistical (P > 0.05) significance. Statistically significant results were more likely than nonsignificant findings to be published in the study abstract than in only the full text (P < 0.0001). Meta-analyses (n = 36) presented more conservative results; only 13 (26%) reported an increased (n = 4) or a decreased (n = 9) risk (6 had more than weak statistical support). The median RRs (IQRs) for studies that concluded an increased or a decreased risk were 2.20 (1.60, 3.44) and 0.52 (0.39, 0.66), respectively. The RRs from the meta-analyses were on average null (median: 0.96; IQR: 0.85, 1.10).
CONCLUSIONS:
Associations with cancer risk or benefits have been claimed for most food ingredients. Many single studies highlight implausibly large effects, even though evidence is weak. Effect sizes shrink in meta-analyses.

Summary: an overall healthy lifestyle is the biggest factor of all, beyond singular foods or risk factors.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I even have sex on the organic gravy train and use coconut oil as a lubricant - girls get fucked the organic way by me and it is nice, slippery and you can eat it. Some girls were even amazed that it works so well because they are used to those strange commercial lubricants. And coconut oil helps you burn calories, so getting at taste of it from my dick is actually healthy.

Excellent for cooking and butt-stuff (or close to virginal tight pussy).

I coconut oil I bought at Costco, which is a solid at room temperature. Is this basically the same thing? Also, doesn't it dissolve latex (condoms)?

Yes - I think it does, but the thing is this. I don't fuck girls in the ass with condoms. In fact I don't fuck any girls with condoms that I consider hot or "high-risk". So essentially whenever I put on a condom, then it is more or less an insult if the girl knew what I was thinking. Also in such cases I am not going to stick my dick in her ass.

Also I have begun to practice semen retention: http://authentictantra.com/semen-retention-and-how-it-will-change-your-life/

It is not that tough at least not to cum inside a girl's pussy. I am not concerned about STDs because orthomolecular medicine is so fucking power - in combo with occasional antibiotics, there is nothing much that fear with any hot bangable girl. Also I hate hookers, love them young and prefer to go celibate for life before I have to fuck a fat 35yo woman.

So in essence - if she is hot, then I am not putting on a condom. Very few girls insist at least with me, it is sometimes me who is dragging out the condoms with some of them - but as I said, that is not a compliment.

If you use lambskin or other such natural one, then it will be fine.

 

[redbeard]

Zel why haven't we seen you in the NoFap thread? Would love to hear your semen retention journey

 

[reliquary]

I got this filter, it's awesome. A little bit of handy work to install but pretty easy. Highly recommended. High quality water is so important.

https://www.amazon.com/APEC-5-Stage-Reverse-Drinking-Water/dp/B00I0ZGOZM

Mint decreases T so watch out. It's a shame because sweet mint tea is awesome, developed a taste for this after visiting Morocco.

Alcohol, marijuana, and opiates all crush T levels. Be very wary. Nicotine may actually increase T, there are conflicting studies. Nicotine also clearly improves verbal skills and concentration, however weighing that against its negative impacts on your erections and hair over the long run (obviously critical things for a man in the game), it isn't worth it.

I use all-natural personal care products when I can, but avoid tea tree oil and lavender as ingredients. They are anti-androgenic and estrogenic (check out the study below). Especially for toothpaste, something going inside your mouth will absorb to a much greater degree than things that only touch your skin.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa064725

For a good toothpaste that is totally clean, I recommend this one. It is totally free of SLS which is a terrible ingredient in all commercial toothpastes.

https://www.amazon.com/Redmond-Earthpaste-Non-Flouride-Lemon-Twist/dp/B00BCQ2TOG?th=1

Also, if any of you use the anti-fungal shampoo Nizoral (active ingredient is Ketaconazole), it has an anti-T effect. This is partially why it is often used as a hair loss remedy.

:mindblown3:

Damn, you really do learn something new every day. I went and looked at my toothpaste, mouthwash, and lip balm, and they definitely all had mint and tea tree oil as major ingredients (close to top of list).

Got a toothpaste from desert essence that is neem based, cinnamon flavored (a potential T helper), but still lists mint and tea tree oil in the interim. I'll admit, looking through all the toothpastes and mouthwashes at Whole Foods, I could not find one that didn't contain mint or tea tree oil.

I'll try this toothpaste, as well as a truly flavorless one here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006BBSICO/ref=s9_dcacsd_dcoop_bw_c_x_1_w

I'll report back on this. This same brand also has a cinnamon mouthwash, which I'll order and try out as well.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B..._title_srh_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AGXZTI7PNCWHE

Lip balm was the easiest, just went and got a random one that uses coconut oil, olive oil, and shea butter, and no mint, as the ingredients instead of fucking petroleum.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Zel why haven't we seen you in the NoFap thread? Would love to hear your semen retention journey

Focus on begun - not much to talk about. I like women to swallow too much. Don't know if I will be able to manage unless there are some strange circumstances.