Supply chain & commodity disruptions [INTERNATIONAL]
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If you're buying an electric car in a situation where you have to rely on 3rd party EV supply equipment and infrastructure to keep it charged you are doing it wrong.
The ideal scenario for an EV is something like:
You live 15 miles from where you work.
You have a house with off street parking or a garage to park by a small wall charger.
You buy a smaller EV that the family uses to run back and forward between town, sometimes once, some times twice, sometimes never each day.
You have your own slow charger at home that charges the vehicle at off peak power rates twice per week.
This family is saving money and actually saving emissions.
The people complaining about this are the opposite
They live in an apartment and can't really afford an EV, but buy one anyway.
They have no where to park it or charge it and are forced to rely on public parking and infrastructure.
They should be walking or using public transport.
This person is burning money and creating excess emissions since an EV creates more emissions in the manufacturing process which isn't "paid off" until tens of thousands of miles of driving, which this car won't do.
Councils have increased the parking rates because the apartment dweller above would leave their car on the charger for 5 hours otherwise since it doubles as parking. Also they want to disincentivize the apartment dweller from EV ownership because in reality they don't need one and should be using public transport.
The ideal scenario for an EV is something like:
You live 15 miles from where you work.
You have a house with off street parking or a garage to park by a small wall charger.
You buy a smaller EV that the family uses to run back and forward between town, sometimes once, some times twice, sometimes never each day.
You have your own slow charger at home that charges the vehicle at off peak power rates twice per week.
This family is saving money and actually saving emissions.
The people complaining about this are the opposite
They live in an apartment and can't really afford an EV, but buy one anyway.
They have no where to park it or charge it and are forced to rely on public parking and infrastructure.
They should be walking or using public transport.
This person is burning money and creating excess emissions since an EV creates more emissions in the manufacturing process which isn't "paid off" until tens of thousands of miles of driving, which this car won't do.
Councils have increased the parking rates because the apartment dweller above would leave their car on the charger for 5 hours otherwise since it doubles as parking. Also they want to disincentivize the apartment dweller from EV ownership because in reality they don't need one and should be using public transport.
The U.S. is buying Venezuelan oil to replace Russian imports.
Easy_C
Peacock
I ALMOST recommend, based on first hand experience, that your ideal setup should be centered around a sufficiently large solar and battery array. In an actual infrastructure breakdown even the government is going to have a hard time supplying because everyone steals fuel for themselves by skimming off the top along the way. You as a regular citizen will get even less than the large, organized entities will.
By combining an EV with an array you have the ability to travel in your area which is a massive advantage. You might not be able to go frequently but going out to grab water or such once a week or fortnight (hypothetical interval) is astronomically better than never at all.
The only reason I don't yet is because of how dependent current EVs are on remote infrastructure that can remotely disable them. If you can get around this somehow (I don't know if any way without bricking the vehicle) go for it. However electric bikes do exist and could work.
Realistically I am in the same boat. Unfortunately I think both sides of many arguments will snap to their preconceived position without doing a thorough analysis. EV advocates love to ignore environmental production issues of rare earths, and the capacity issues for the grid. The other side thinks it's perfectly reasonable to drive an 18 wheeler 500 feet to buy a liter of milk. The truth definitely lays somewhere in the middle.
Your concern about the connected car is certainly valid, and you can be sure that they're working on incorporating the exact same technology into IC cars. Post something bad on the interweb, and it's no driving for a month. The UK is already experimenting with 20 minute communities where you'll only be allowed to leave your community twice a week or something. Right now it's gates and plate reading technology, but how much more work is is really to just include a geofenced automatic disabler?
The other thing I can't stand is how complex they are, and how reliant they are on computers. This complexity is a double edged sword. You get better mileage, better route planning, improvements in many facets of driving, but this complexity means that there are fewer things you can do yourself, putting you at the mercy of these companies who may have interests not aligned with yours. I bought a thrift store iphone 4S I wanted to use as a bike computer a few years ago for like $5, as I somehow also had a battery pack/sensor kits to tell you speed and power and stuff. But apple removed the older version of the app compatible with that phone from their store, told me I needed to upgrade my OS, then when I tried to upgrade the OS, told me that my hardware couldn't support it, so buy a new phone. Froced $50k car upgrades every few years? You can bet the EV makers are salivating at the thought. Or just own nothing, be happy, scan your QR code for a e-taxi, the digital currency comes out of your wallet, and off you go. Provided you have the social credit to do so.
Noticed some grumbling posts via Gab. Supposedly there are mandatory rolling blackouts in Alabama and Tennessee.
What people don't want to admit is that this is(at least in part) a byproduct of immigration. Once you have record numbers of people in your state faster than you can build infrastructure for them, then you have record numbers of residents all trying to heat their place up to 75°F when it's freezing outside.
The chickens are coming home to roost!
Robert High Hawk
Pelican
I think this is a decent short to medium (1 to 7 year) option, if and only if overall EV adoption levels remain very low.
That may sound paradoxical, but it's very much the case. Even in this conservative use case scenario above, if let's say 20% of your neighborhood opts to do this, there will be no "off peak" charging times and very likely the grid will be overloaded at times.
Now let's say 20% of society uses an EV. The amount of grid upgrade necessary will surpass any readily available amount of copper (not even getting into Lithium here) and send its price to the moon. No society can afford it at scale.
And if you live in the desert want to power your car with solar, once too many people use solar, it also becomes extremely expensive with more and more demand for copper. And now we are finding out solar panels only work efficiently for 10 years at most, often times much less. So you'll have a massive waste problem and demand for new panels will also make them more expensive.
As the government gets more and more broke, ALL of the subsidies associated with EVs go away. Even now hose cheap/free charging stations are expensive (see Norway) or straight up turned off (see UK). Solar panels all got heavy subsidies from the government to install, and to manufacture (Chinese government manufacture subsidies), so those will get expensive as well.
The copper required to "electrify" society at any scale would require a 10x increase in production. That means burning more and more fuel to mine increasingly scarce copper.
Basically EVs are a ponzi scheme. It was great to get in early and reap all the benefits.
Streaming a series on Sky Atlantic yesterday, which is sponsored by Volvo. A few years ago, you had a clip of large estate car, being driven through a rugged Scandi landscape, before the programme started. Yesterday, what I got was a far less beefy car , parked in a charging bay.
There's a saying: "all roads lead to Rome."
Can we say that all supply chains lead to China? Seems every time I hear about where something's made it's either in China or has an important component made in China.
Can we say that all supply chains lead to China? Seems every time I hear about where something's made it's either in China or has an important component made in China.
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Power outage forces Philippines to suspend flights, shut airspace
Philippine authorities halted flights in and out of Manila on New Year's Day due to a malfunction of air traffic control, which also prevented airlines bound to other destinations from using the country's airspace.
www.reuters.com
Caduceus
Ostrich
Power outage forces Philippines to suspend flights, shut airspace
Philippine authorities halted flights in and out of Manila on New Year's Day due to a malfunction of air traffic control, which also prevented airlines bound to other destinations from using the country's airspace.
Interesting piece of news.
However, this happened more than 10 days ago.
Yep, figured it's still important to post it based on suspicious timing (i.e., WEF Davos happening this month).
Even Canada was affected today. Something's up with NOTAM system.
Not long ago, this was £2.75:
Lloyds Pharmacy are looking to close all of their units in J Sainsbury stores:
www.retailgazette.co.uk
Lloyds Pharmacy to close all Sainsbury's outlets, 2,000 jobs at risk
Lloyds Pharmacy is to close all of its branches inside Sainsbury's stores, which puts 2,000 jobs on the line.
www.retailgazette.co.uk
Netherlands To Shut Down Europe's Largest Gas Field
Netherlands To Shut Down Europe's Largest Gas Field | OilPrice.com
The Netherlands has announced plans to close down the Groningen gas field, the largest gas field in Europe
oilprice.com
