No, the eggs are fertilized outside the womb and kept in a fridge for a while. For a period of time, I existed as a viable embryo in a fridge. Then, I was thawed out and inserted into the womb. I was, human life, in a fridge for a while. Unless, you consider me when I was frozen as non-existent? I suppose that's possible. But I was certainly "thawed" out outside of the womb and kept outside the womb temporarily until the transfer took place. At that point did I exist?
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Yes. It's still true.
A life is lost either way. That is a net negative.
That's not biologically nor biblically supported.
I don't see the conception of an embryo as a sin in and of itself. The technology was not foreseen in the biblical days, either by the writers of scripture, or by early Church tradition, so they didn't address it directly. However, the problem with IVF is that multiple embryos are created, and the most viable one is selected. The rest are frozen, in case the first implantation fails. It is possible that even if one embryo is brought to term in the mother, another will be used and brought to term as well. However, it is usual for some or all of the excess embryos to be discarded.
These are literally just clumps of cells, far short of a fetus, but if you consider that the sacred human life is formed at the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg, then it is already murder to dispose of them. After all, they are able to be implanted in a womb and carried to term.
So, I would say that forming an embryo, implanting it and carrying it to term would not be a sin, but disposing of excess embryos would be.
We can and should legislate morality.
In fact, it is imperative that we do so in order to reverse the termination of pregnancy (from all means), and more broadly, stem the tide of fornication.
I can see that. Not sure about it being considered “murder” though. Maybe a different legal category should be invented.
Not sure what you are referring to as not biologically supported.
I agree that I can't quite see destruction of an embryo in the same category as killing someone already born, and not even in the same category as destroying a fetus that has developed organs and limbs. I can see how people might not even consider any moral downsides to it, seeing the good in artificial conception, and not recognizing the embryos in the same category as an unborn baby.
However, if God knows you as soon as you were formed in the womb, that probably applies to the fertilization of an egg in a test tube as well. I have always viewed artificial conception as a blessing to parents who are unable to have a child normally, so this is a difficult contradiction for me.
If God formed you in the womb, how do you know you existed in the fridge?
Josh Gerstein quoting Banker Janet Yellen. Their Talmud isn't silent on their "rights" in this matter either.
"He who gives of his seed to Molech incurs no punishment.”
—Sanhedrin 64a
[Babylonian Talmud, the religion of Esau-Edom (Mt SEEer -> modern Jewry]
“Esau-Edom is modern Jewry.”
—1925 Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 5 page 41
“Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a “Jew” or to call a contemporary Jew an “Israelite” or a “Hebrew.”
—Jewish Almanac 1980, p. 3
I'm not sure what part you missed, but God didn't form me in the womb. I became a viable embryo outside the womb. And if I didn't exist at that point, then what was I? Just a clump of cells?
God forms our soul, does he not? Is that the same as our body? I believe the Body is the temple of our soul.
If God forms us in the womb, then you can't be just a clump of cells, you wouldn't have existed outside the womb. Conception technically can exist outside the womb, after conception there is something known as 'implantation'.
To form in the womb never makes it clear whether its conception or implantation. However, considering that implantation can only include the womb, and that conception can be outside the womb, one can put two and two together and say implantation is the start of a new life and soul, otherwise most souls would be ejected from pregnancy by default, which seems ridiculous.
Abortion can only happen in terms of 'clinical pregnancy, which is when humans know the baby is alive, which is why abortion is wrong.
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Alright got it. I was just a clump of cells while outside the womb.
Nah you didn't get it, you weren't formed yet, and it wasn't a clump of cells. An embryo is a single zygote.
Ok I get it, I was a single zygote with no soul.
There was a zygote uninhabited, meaning no soul, eventually it was implanted, and then a soul inhabited it, that soul is you. You are a soul, that is the essence of what makes someone human. The body is just what the soul, or human, inhabits while on earth, and in the afterlife, you get a new body, which you then inhabit.
This is great. I like seeing the enemies of Christ drop the facade and manifest themselves. The more clear and explicit their attacks, the more we will see who falls to their side. There will be no cover of ambiguity remaining, it will be a clear choice. No more ambivalence.