Sweden's relationship with Russia

Mr. D

Pelican
Gold Member
godzilla said:
Sweden doesn't need to join NATO. The 60, 000 American troops in Europe arent going to just sit there and watch.

I can tell you from living in Estonia that the Fins and Baltic states take a possible invasion very seriously and I believe their fear of one is genuine whether Russia is a bogeyman or not.

I wouldn't underestimate the scandi countries at war with Russia. Theyre ecomically powerful and more advanced. Cucked or not. In 1939, even though they lost, Finland absolutely slaughtered Russian troops for most of the winter war.

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Leonard D Neubache said:
They don't even need EMP weapons to have you sitting in the dark. These days they flip the switch on a few select intrusion viruses and before you know it the computer systems in every major utility brick themselves.

You wouldn't even get the privilege of tracking a missile into your airspace for a few seconds to determine who hit you. Power, internet, gas, water, cellular service and phone lines would all go out damn near simultaneously. Government would be left to use battery/generator powered shortwave radios and what few satellite phones they'd distributed in order to mount a response.

Other nations would be able to track Russian military movements but for a time there would be little they could do about it.

Cyberwarfare is the new M.A.D. scenario. Most systems are so vulnerable it's a running joke. Of course such a large scale attack could only be used as a preface to total war. If peace remained after such an attack then the digital trails would inevitably be traced and either the perpetrator or a suitable proxy would have some serious hurt put on them.

You forgot the destruction of satellites as the US and the Chinese have already done (did it on their own satellites that were old and out of service as a practice run.). US did it from a ship; China did it from an aircraft.

**poof**. No more GPS or cellular communications, not to mention the implications on the cyber side.

Imagine all your soldiers in the field that lose their GPS ability... They'd have to go "Old Skool" and that's just breezed over in training these days, it seems. Unless you're the actual point man (navigator) or the actual officer himself of the platoon/unit/whatever, but there are usually 2 or less of those guys (Point Man and Rear Security which are interchangeable) in a combat platoon. Most would be lost as fuck because they don't understand this capability of destroying satellites--hardly bothered to learn how to properly use a map and compass to navigate.. God forbid the platoon gets completely split up. Same thing would apply similarly to tank commanders and pilots (pilots will be able to navigate, but the dudes on the ground would have a hard time directing him). It would be dudes that have fought in Iraq and AFG who had come to depend on that small piece of equipment so much and it's suddenly taken from them. "Oh, remember that map and compass we did 14 years ago?" "No, not really." "Well break it out."

Can't call your higher command by secure SAT PHONE or SAT RADIO, that's out the window. Can't use your cell phone. You'd have to go find a land line and call your higher ups or resort back to old radio comms UHF/VHF, which is also breezed over, unless you're the actual communicator of the platoon/unit/whatever, but there are usually 2 or less of those guys in a combat platoon. And these radio comms have limited ranges and are not very reliable calling really long distances without some solidly-skilled radio operator. It would suck. Take a bunch of kids that rely on their iPhones, video games, drones, ISR and GPS, then drop them into Vietnam in that era of warfare. Be a fucking disaster.

LOL. **knock, knock**
"Yes Ma'am may I please use your phone?"
"My phone isn't working for some reason..."
"No, Ma'am, not your cell phone, your 'home phone?'
"What's a 'home phone?'
 

Latinopan

Hummingbird
Sweden, the most cucked country on the planet preparing for war with Russia one of the alpha country on the planet.

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Sweden is already having problem keeping its own welfare system from collapsing that they had to rise the age of retirement.

This looks like a clean slate moment, how do you solve the migration problem in Sweden without looking racist? easy, let the Russian deal with it.

On top of that, Sweden is not a NATO member.

You know we are living in strange times when a Russian invasion becomes the best solution to save Western civilization in Europe.
 
Mr. D said:
godzilla said:
Sweden doesn't need to join NATO. The 60, 000 American troops in Europe arent going to just sit there and watch.

I can tell you from living in Estonia that the Fins and Baltic states take a possible invasion very seriously and I believe their fear of one is genuine whether Russia is a bogeyman or not.

I wouldn't underestimate the scandi countries at war with Russia. Theyre ecomically powerful and more advanced. Cucked or not. In 1939, even though they lost, Finland absolutely slaughtered Russian troops for most of the winter war.

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And Poland won against the full might of Russia in 1921. Does not mean that neither they nor Finland could have held off their forces in 1955, 1975 or 2017.

The military tactics are now highly different than they were in the 1940s. As soon as you have supremacy of the air, then you can even air-drop massive divisions in the middle of enemy territory.

But one thing is clear - conquering a country while keeping the population alive - that does not mean that you cane keep the place. Theoretically the Scandinavians could fight an effective guerrilla warfare - all you need for that is guns (which they have) and explosives (which can be created easily enough). The tech is even advanced enough to create self-made weapons.

But that is frankly mythical talk. The only time that Russia would invade the West is when half their military has gone rogue and has joined the global Caliphate. But by that time Sweden would already be Caliphate Central, so one should rather talk of forces joining and not an invasion.
 

Kona

Crow
Gold Member
I hope for the sake of Mohammed, Ahmed, Mohammed, and the rest of the Swedish people's that their military hardware is not made by Volvo.

You can breathe on a Penta the wrong way and it's a 10k repair bill.

Aloha!
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
El Chinito loco said:
At this point being invaded by Russians might actually save Sweden from its own self immolation.

Plus, you'd get lots of awesome battle scenes of muslim rapefugees getting blown to bits trying to fling their shitty stolen grenades at Russian tanks.

It would be anything but.

The nuclear option aside anywhere Russia goes the US anti-boogeyman force goes and with it perpetual strife, conflict and war. Look at Ukraine and that absolute fucking mess in Syria. Just now Turkey is attacking the Kurds there and some foreign power is attacking Russian and Syrian forces.

Not good. The jaffas and ahmeds are mere pawns when the big boys slug it out. They can help to undermine a society and over time destroy its origins but its nowhere enar as destructive as US v Russia proxy wars.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
nomadbrah said:
Cobra said:
What are they fighting with? Dildos for weapons and pussy hats for protection? :laugh:

Lots of guns in Sweden.

Lots of wild game and hunters in rural areas.



godzilla said:
Sweden doesn't need to join NATO. The 60, 000 American troops in Europe arent going to just sit there and watch.

I can tell you from living in Estonia that the Fins and Baltic states take a possible invasion very seriously and I believe their fear of one is genuine whether Russia is a bogeyman or not.

I wouldn't underestimate the scandi countries at war with Russia. Theyre ecomically powerful and more advanced. Cucked or not. In 1939, even though they lost, Finland absolutely slaughtered Russian troops for most of the winter war.

Right, in order for Russia to get to Sweden, they would have to go through Finland, which even big mean Stalin wasn't able to do. Fact is, the Russians are very tough when fighting for their homeland against invaders, but the advantage flips when they are doing the invading, and the Finns are fighting to defend their soil.

This whole thing is a BS psyop of Swedish globalists on their population, to get them closer to NATO and to stoke Russiaphobia, and by extension hatred of Putin's brand of Christian neo-traditionalism.


Dulceácido said:
Sweden cold've avoided all this by joining NATO, but they didn't want to do so.

All of the sudden, it doesn't sem like a bad idea, eh? LOL

NATO is obsolete.
 

godzilla

Pelican
Latinopan said:
Sweden, the most cucked country on the planet preparing for war with Russia one of the alpha country on the planet.

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Sweden is already having problem keeping its own welfare system from collapsing that they had to rise the age of retirement.

This looks like a clean slate moment, how do you solve the migration problem in Sweden without looking racist? easy, let the Russian deal with it.

On top of that, Sweden is not a NATO member.

You know we are living in strange times when a Russian invasion becomes the best solution to save Western civilization in Europe.

Russia has its fair share of fat or socially awkward men. Take a look at some employees at major tech companies and you'll see what I'm talking about.

From what I've seen in Sweden, A lot of guys keep in very good shape at the very least.

A lot of the Scandi countries all have required military service as well.

Like I said I wouldn't estimate these countries.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
nomadbrah said:
Lots of guns in Sweden.

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Irrelevant other than to wage resistance against occupation.

The Beast1 said:
Any declaration of war with a state would most likely see IP addresses from those countries and allies blacklisted. We'd see undersea cables shutdown and the world internet sealed.

Blocking and sealing off parts of the internet is trivial. Businesses would get pissed, but they'll get over it.

Sleeper agents and satellite communication.

The West has gotten used to their wars being something that happens somewhere else to someone else. Go to war with Russia and by next winter you will be eating your pets.
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
I had drinks with a Lithuanian guy tonight and learned that Russia has a territorial “exclave” between Lithuania and Poland called Kaliningrad that dates back to the Prussian era. Its Russian territory and as such most westerners need a visa to enter it, I have no idea how much military hardware is there but I dare say there’s enough to launch an attack if push comes to shove. Hopefully the hype is only to prep the Swedes for a swift “social cleansing” of their shitty ethic ghettos and not the onset of a third world war.
 

Biologist

Kingfisher
Gold Member
911 said:
This whole thing is a BS psyop of Swedish globalists on their population, to get them closer to NATO and to stoke Russiaphobia, and by extension hatred of Putin's brand of Christian neo-traditionalism.

Spot on.

There is absolutely no way that Russia is going to perform a military invasion of Sweden.

Russia/Putin is just being used as a scapegoat by the Swedish government and media in order to get people to stop thinking about the very serious, real threat which is already within their borders.
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
Is it a coincidence that Swedish government talks about using military to fight the gangs and that we recently heard about supposed French plan of "cleaning the neighborhoods"? I think that there is a possibility that we might not get european caliphate and instead we get this gradual cleaning of cities. Maybe those on the top decided a different action, a bit different that we usually discuss at Migrant Invasion thread.
 

Seth_Rose

Pelican
Gold Member
sterling_archer said:
Is it a coincidence that Swedish government talks about using military to fight the gangs and that we recently heard about supposed French plan of "cleaning the neighborhoods"? I think that there is a possibility that we might not get european caliphate and instead we get this gradual cleaning of cities. Maybe those on the top decided a different action, a bit different that we usually discuss at Migrant Invasion thread.

Wasn't this the plan all along though? To flood western European cities with third-world migrants, who would inevitably cause choas, that could only be stemmed by a military presence? At least that's something Alex Jones probably said...

Also, in the event Sweden and Russia did actually go to war, I wonder how many Swedes would work with Russia? Russia could promise that they would work to get rid of the Muslim migrants. I bet there's a lot of young, Swedish soldiers who would be on board with that plan. And hey, why not kick the socialist government out while they're at it?
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
I think that plans at the top may not always be planned decades in advance and are subjected to change, especially if something unexpected happens. We could even get something entirely else at the end, who knows.
 
Seth_Rose said:
sterling_archer said:
Is it a coincidence that Swedish government talks about using military to fight the gangs and that we recently heard about supposed French plan of "cleaning the neighborhoods"? I think that there is a possibility that we might not get european caliphate and instead we get this gradual cleaning of cities. Maybe those on the top decided a different action, a bit different that we usually discuss at Migrant Invasion thread.

Wasn't this the plan all along though? To flood western European cities with third-world migrants, who would inevitably cause choas, that could only be stemmed by a military presence? At least that's something Alex Jones probably said...

Of course they knew what was to happen.

In order to end the fruits of diversity enrichment while still retaining the "diversity" (cannot stop that) you have two options:

1. Orwellian militarized Police surveillance state

2. War with Islam one day

Possible that you will get both.

None of that include a stupid war with Russia - they had similar exercises all throughout the Cold War with the serfs getting scared of the boogieman while the true movers and shakers were certainly partying together with escorts and coke - and laughing about the gullible nature of the people.

The entire exercise is like a Russia collusion article that is set only to deflect of the more pressing issues.

Still I think that the mobilization of the forces is only partly a charade - partly it's an actual preparation of the true war coming for Sweden - those enemies are already in the country and they are numbering more each year.
 

JWLZG

 
Banned
scotian said:
I had drinks with a Lithuanian guy tonight and learned that Russia has a territorial “exclave” between Lithuania and Poland called Kaliningrad that dates back to the Prussian era. Its Russian territory and as such most westerners need a visa to enter it, I have no idea how much military hardware is there but I dare say there’s enough to launch an attack if push comes to shove. Hopefully the hype is only to prep the Swedes for a swift “social cleansing” of their shitty ethic ghettos and not the onset of a third world war.

Kaliningrad was only Russian territory from 1945 when ex-East Prussia was ceded to it under the Potsdam Agreement from a defeated Germany.

And it was annexed for good reason; as a Europe-leaning exclave of the USSR, it was armed to the teeth as an advance projection of forces if the Cold War ever turned hot.


Zelcorpion said:
The military tactics are now highly different than they were in the 1940s. As soon as you have supremacy of the air, then you can even air-drop massive divisions in the middle of enemy territory.

That's not how offensive operations work if for the simple reason that air-dropping "massive divisions" requires the sort of aerospace matériel far beyond realism. Airborne operations en masse tend to be bloody, Pyrrhic victories at most.

Anti-aircraft warefare, not to mention air-to-air capabilities have advanced leaps and bounds since the days of Crete and Arnhem. You hardly hear about these sorts of operations because of the inherent vulnerability they face from air, ground, and NBC defence, compared to insertion by foot or mechanised means.
Yes, conventional airborne forces still exist but when was the last time you heard of them being used in any large role?
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Why would Russia invade Sweden, when Sweden is already doing a great job of destroying itself?

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Russia is more than content to let the West destroy itself before moving in for the carcass. Right now Russia is busy trying to survive with all of the sanctions against them.
 
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