Swedish feminists call to action against "macho" men in public transportation

[kbell]

Jews do not take the wifes name. The basis of if you are Jewish by birth is based on maternity though. Its a patriarchal religion traditionally. The newer assimilated version of Judaism such as Reform, Reconstructionits, Traditionalist and Conservative are more liberal, but still generally take the husband's name.

 

[ColSpanker]

The more feminists I encounter, the more I become convinced they are all bat-shit crazy. Take a look at this blog:

requireshate.wordpress.com

...and tell me that we are dealing with a sane human being.

 

[Blackhawk]

Looks like an excuse for shy nerd girls to post shots of guys' crotches. They pretend to be upset. But really this is just poorly disguised female voyerism.

Notice all the photos are on empty busses of single men. No ones even standing in the isle, it's so empty.

Could easily be mistaken for gay soft porn. Just a series of cruising trophy photos of guys in tight pants by wallflower camera phone nerds. And a winking media in on the real agenda, happy to publish soft porn pictures and titilate their female readers.

 

[Vicious]

Jews have been doing this for thousands of years... not necessarily beta

I think the difference is that Swedish men just started doing that with no precedent of 1000's of years of tradition. The overall frame of the Swedish guy taking his wife's name is that he's doing it to make her happy at his expense which is beta.

No it is the generic -son names being purged where families are taking the more historical name. This is a cultural movement/nationalism if anything, a response to these very generic surnames growing very numerous over the last 100 years. Give a Swede half a chance and he'll wax on forever about Swedish history.

 

[Icarus]

Give a Swede half a chance and he'll wax on forever about Swedish history.

It gets especially interesting when you get to the Eugenics part! The pride mixed with shame and guilt is just priceless. The problem of calling your society "perfect" is that you've raised the bar impossibly high...

 

[kerouac]

 

[storm]

Grade A aloofness.

 

[Vicious]

Give a Swede half a chance and he'll wax on forever about Swedish history.

It gets especially interesting when you get to the Eugenics part! The pride mixed with shame and guilt is just priceless. The problem of calling your society "perfect" is that you've raised the bar impossibly high...

I have no idea what you're referring to. Just about all industrialized nations have at some kind flirted with eugenics as some kind of legitimate science. The Us for example carried out sterilizations of the mentally handicapped well up until WWII (where it suddenly went out of style).

And who's calling Swedish society perfect? I think most people on here get this pre-fabricated hostile view of the country because leftist US pundits and papers tend to broadcast many of the extreme feminist views as some kind of norm. Nevermind that I or many other locals would never know about some small-time butches ideas if I hadn't seen them get articles in Huff post and Jezebel (which is always a delight to troll).

 

[Icarus]

I have no idea what you're referring to. Just about all industrialized nations have at some kind flirted with eugenics as some kind of legitimate science. The Us for example carried out sterilizations of the mentally handicapped well up until WWII (where it suddenly went out of style). And who's calling Swedish society perfect?

You get offended too easily. Your identity is too tied to the Swedish identity. The mere fact that you immediately try to excuse Sweden for engaging in Eugenics shows that there can be no interesting discussion with you, because you've already divided the world into "good" versus "evil". Must be a Lutheran trait.

All countries are built on myths. Sweden is no exception. Get over it.

 

[Greek kamaki]

Actually handbags of women are much more annoying in crowded trains than legs of men.

 

[Vicious]

I have no idea what you're referring to. Just about all industrialized nations have at some kind flirted with eugenics as some kind of legitimate science. The Us for example carried out sterilizations of the mentally handicapped well up until WWII (where it suddenly went out of style). And who's calling Swedish society perfect?

You get offended too easily. Your identity is too tied to the Swedish identity. The mere fact that you immediately try to excuse Sweden for engaging in Eugenics shows that there can be no interesting discussion with you, because you've already divided the world into "good" versus "evil". Must be a Lutheran trait.

All countries are built on myths. Sweden is no exception. Get over it.

I still have no idea what you are talking about. Myths? Lutheran? Excusing eugenics? What does this have to do with anything? Funny you're calling me easily offended when unleashing such a blast of butt hurt bile.

 

[Aliblahba]

opcorn2:

Nom nom nom. Got some Swedish butter for my popcorn too!




Alright, intermission's over. Carry on.

 

[Icarus]

I still have no idea what you are talking about. Myths? Lutheran? Excusing eugenics? What does this have to do with anything? Funny you're calling me easily offended when unleashing such a blast of butt hurt bile.

This thread is not about me or my personal feelings. It's about Sweden and the insanity it generates. Do not derail the conversation, please. If you cannot hear any constructive criticism of your homeland without going on a pop-psychoanalysis rampage, then I would suggest that you grow a thicker skin. Or just avoid threads on Sweden until you have perfected the art of detachment.

It's much more fun to analyze a society through the eyes of a botanist. When Linnaeus studied plants he was not emotionally invested. You are.

 

[Surreyman]

I'm laughing at the angles of these photos, taken so quietly and subtly.

Do you think ANY of these women came out and said something in real life? No way. They're just gobby on the internet, but in real life you don't hear any of this. It's pathetic.

 

[Blackhawk]

As Roosh as already twittered, this is the camera nerd, 27-year-old My Vingren. Hard to tell if her slumpy shoulders, bad posture, or just uncoordinated awkwardness are why her photos are on the diagonal.

Obviously she's suffered severe acne most of her life, making her ostracized and angry. Poetry slams are filled with her kind of social failure.

About $400 at a Dermatologist, $100 at a hair salon, $20 on contact lenses and clothes that actually fit would help her looks. But her being out-of-shape, lazy, slothful , socially-isolated, uncoordinated, and awkward in her own body are problems that can only be fixed from within.

Rather than doing even the most minimal effort at self improvement, she will continue to bump along at the bottom, angry and upset that someone else isn't going to make these changes in her life for her.

And she will continue to blame the outside world and others for her many failings.

She's 27 and still acting like an 11 year old. Very sad.

 

[Screwston]

VICE wrote an article on this insanity:

Swedish feminists are telling men how to sit on the bus (2012)

Did anyone catch these Facebook quotes?

Rico Soiree · Top Commenter
Er. so how many females serve in the Swedish military?

Any in combat units?

How many pave roads or work "high iron" skyscraper jobs?

How many are "fisherwomen"?

Miners?

How many women wash windows on high-rise office buildings?

Work as oil rig roustabouts?

Are elevator cable maintainers/replacers? Air-conditioner designers installers? Farmers?

Carpenters, plumbers, oil tanker hands, long-haul truck/lorry drivers, jet test pilots, fire fighters, SWAT team members, high-voltage electric line stringers, sewage workers, etc.

How many buildings housing "women's studies" were constructed by women?

How many lasses in Sweden maintain their own cars or know how to hang a door?

In short, how many females do the dirty/dangerous/necessary jobs that make life bearable?

How many women feel "entitled" to occupy "Comfy Land" created by males (Often at a cost of male lives: men die, for example, building dams that generate electricity, allowing women to gripe online about how difficult life is with a vagina)?

How many Swedish feminists think it their birthright to live on Easy Street, oblivious to male sacrifices?

Thought so.

Christian Flodin
You're an idiot, and you've totally missed the point of feminism.

Richard Jones (signed in using Hotmail)
Christian Flodin then explain to us how these facts miss the "point" of feminism.

On the other hand, actually you're right, I was just thrown by the cheap insult at the start of your post - feminism has nothing whatsoever to do with equality and equal numbers in the any of these dangerous or difficult jobs - it's just about getting the best paid, more powerful, safer jobs as much as possible ... and therefore Rico is just being a big meany misogynist for daring to point out all those things that women either don't want to do, or can't do, for society.

Typical men and their unreasonable demands expecting "equality" to actually mean "equality".

Christian Flodin
Richard Jones You're confusing equality with different conditions. Granted, most women does not have the same preset as most men. What Rico is talking about is the notion that male and females somehow have the same bodily conditions, they don't, and most feminists don't argue that fact. However, there are loads of jobs which is suitable just as much for men as for women, but the majority of people having those jobs are women, such as care assistants, nurses, pre-school teachers (and teachers in general). Why is that? Is social work somehow not a "manly" occupation?

Liz Folie · Desk at USC School of Theatre Drama Center
I would say that the argument of this article is essentially "We let you women have jobs, isn't that enough!", similar to the United States argument "We let you women vote, isn't that enough? why are you still complaining about rape!" It's the same argument I get when I attempt to address street harassment; that "oh, but it used to be much worse and other women have it much worse", as if we as women are expected to sit down because we make too much noise. That's not going to happen. We don't have enough.

To begin with, I find it difficult to believe that Sweden exists in such an isolated feminist paradise that it is unaffected by the obviously patriarchal constructs of literally every other country surrounding it. The existence of this condescending article displays a disrespect towards understanding women's movements and an at
tempt at delegitimizing women's issues. The best evidence of the patriarchy is the continued denial of the patriarchy.

And then we get the "but don't women want to be seen as strong?" argument with this gem: "It's tempting to suggest that the women posting pictures of slouching men online should grow a pair, and point out that feminists have fought hard to shake the image of women as thin-skinned victims off and to prove that women have agency, gumption, and power." This is an infuriating argument that oversimplifies the messages of feminism. Modern feminism is far more complex than "women are strong"; that argument devalorizes traditionally feminine roles while idealizing hegemonic masculinity. This article says women should have agency and then attempts to shame them for doing just that.

Finally, as the interview states, this is not simply about the seats on the train. This is all a way to gain awareness about the rape problem in Sweden and while Sweden may be seen from the outside as a "feminist paradise", it only appears that way because those who are already privileged enough to have jobs and education benefit from benevolent sexism. Such statements and that article completely ignore intersectionality and fail to recognize that gender inequality rears up in all aspects of life, sometimes reflecting a person's posture in public.

I would love to live in a country free of limiting gender pronouns and stigmas against men homemakers. But if the women of Sweden feel as though the feminist fight in their country is not over then I will support them.

Ephraim Gabriel · Top Commenter
Feminist are overgrown children. I wont even pick apart your comment here it is too silly to even take seriously. Which is why men are not taking you seriously today when all we want from you is sex & no type of commitment. Feminism has freed us men of our traditional roles as well plus we an even get sex so easy from women w/ out marriage which a bad deal for men today. Enjoy ladies.