Swift Dumped Styles Because He Was Uncut?

[tenderman100]

One of the benefits of circumcision is that you are less likely to contract HIV from a female.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0726_050726_circumcision.html

Maybe Swifty was afraid of giving Styles HIV.

....results show that circumcised men in the study were 63 percent less likely than uncircumcised men to be infected through sex with HIV-positive women. That's a far better level of protection than the 30 percent reduction risk set as a target for an AIDS vaccine....

. . .Adult HIV infection rates are above 30 percent in Zimbabwe, Botswana, and eastern South Africa—areas where male circumcision is not generally practiced. Meanwhile, infection rates are below 5 percent in most of West Africa, where male circumcision is commonplace.

The reason for the increased risk of infection, experts say, is because the foreskin of the penis is susceptible to scratches and tears during intercourse. In addition, the foreskin contains a high density of Langerhans cells, which are especially vulnerable to HIV.

Circumcision may also prevent other sexually transmitted diseases, including syphilis and herpes, which are known to increase the likelihood of HIV infection.

 

[GameTheory]

 

[Excelsior]

 

[Tuthmosis]

^The scary part is that this bitch is not even mid-carousel.

:carousel: :carousel: :carousel:

 

[Veloce]

wasn't there an rvf poll about how many dudes are cut/un-cut?

I'm un-cut. I was always super self conscious about it growing up. It took years of fucking girls and by the 5th or 6th one I realized, none of em give a shit, none of em even know what they're looking at.

Then in high school and college I started partying with a solid crew. The dudes were nuts and didn't give a shit about anything. We'd go to random parties, get drunk, make a scene, my friends would do shit like drop their pants on demand, girls went nuts for it. Throughout years of this shit I learned the hard way most of the guys I was partying with weren't cut either. Sounds pretty gay that we've all seen each others dicks, but I can say in my case I had a girl blow me in the front seat while two of my friends were in the back seat, and another girl I banged at a party with a circle of people around us, Boogie Nights style.

Anyway I started to come up with some theories, about the effect of circumcision has on guys. What does it do to a man's psyche that, fresh out of the womb and into this world, his dick is mutilated and thousands of sensitive nerve cells are taken from him?

 

[Roosh]

What does it do to a man's psyche that, fresh out of the womb and into this world, his dick is mutilated and thousands of sensitive nerve cells are taken from him?

It does nothing to the psyche, because we have no idea what we have lost. We also don't remember the pain of getting cut.

 

[Veloce]

I disagree Roosh. The farther back you go into the formative years, the more sensitive kids are, and it would seem like outside events have more profound impacts.

If we didn't remember pain and therefor it has no long lasting scars on our psyche, how far could that logic play out? How much pain could you put a newborn infant through and have it have no long-lasting or deep repercussions? This is all conjecture on my part of course, I've never studied child psychology on any academic level, but I do know that children suppress painful memories as a defense mechanism. That doesn't mean those painful memories don't manifest themselves in other damaging ways.

I don't think that just because we don't have memories pre-toddler doesn't mean the events during that time doesn't leave deep impressions on a person. I'd be curious to see an actual study to see if there are any correlating personality traits on circumsized vs uncircumsized men. More reactive/violent/aggressive or less, etc...it wouldn't surprise me to see that there is such a correlation.

 

[tenderman100]

Anyway I started to come up with some theories, about the effect of circumcision has on guys. What does it do to a man's psyche that, fresh out of the womb and into this world, his dick is mutilated and thousands of sensitive nerve cells are taken from him?

Oh...I am so mortified that my parents had me circumcised!!

God...I think I will give up!! How can fucking be any good without my foreskin?

All those years!! Wasted! Fucking Paula, and Kathy, and Deirdre, and Krista, and Janice, and Francine, and Janey, and Kathy 2 (excuse me, Katherine), and Barbara1 and Barbara2 and Gina, and Wendy, and Cindy, and...well, I could go on...but all those bangs..just wasted, and so awful, because, I left my foreskin in the hospital when I was just a few days old!!

Oh...woe is me! Woe is my cock! Time to die now.

 

[Veloce]

Anyway I started to come up with some theories, about the effect of circumcision has on guys. What does it do to a man's psyche that, fresh out of the womb and into this world, his dick is mutilated and thousands of sensitive nerve cells are taken from him?

Oh...I am so mortified that my parents had me circumcised!!

God...I think I will give up!! How can fucking be any good without my foreskin?

All those years!! Wasted! Fucking Paula, and Kathy, and Deirdre, and Krista, and Janice, and Francine, and Janey, and Kathy 2 (excuse me, Katherine), and Barbara1 and Barbara2 and Gina, and Wendy, and Cindy, and...well, I could go on...but all those bangs..just wasted, and so awful, because, I left my foreskin in the hospital when I was just a few days old!!

Oh...woe is me! Woe is my cock! Time to die now.

Pretty troll-ish response. There was nothing in my post to imply that a circumsized dick is in any way anesthetized. The point was to raise the question of possible long-term effects of circumcision on men.

Obviously if it's something you've lived with your entire life, you never knew and never will know of anything different. Kids grow up with all sorts of fucked up conditions and environmental factors and they don't know any different. "Normal" is 100% relative. Who's to say that circumcision doesn't cause any psychological or physiological side effects? My point wasn't what are circumsized men missing out on (some sensations no doubt) but how might they be different had it never happened.

 

[teh_skeeze]

I disagree Roosh. The farther back you go into the formative years, the more sensitive kids are, and it would seem like outside events have more profound impacts.

If we didn't remember pain and therefor it has no long lasting scars on our psyche, how far could that logic play out? How much pain could you put a newborn infant through and have it have no long-lasting or deep repercussions? This is all conjecture on my part of course, I've never studied child psychology on any academic level, but I do know that children suppress painful memories as a defense mechanism. That doesn't mean those painful memories don't manifest themselves in other damaging ways.

I don't think that just because we don't have memories pre-toddler doesn't mean the events during that time doesn't leave deep impressions on a person. I'd be curious to see an actual study to see if there are any correlating personality traits on circumsized vs uncircumsized men. More reactive/violent/aggressive or less, etc...it wouldn't surprise me to see that there is such a correlation.

The religious beliefs behind circumcision have done more harm than the ritual itself.

 

[TheSlayer]

Just a question for the circumcised men here. I did mention in my previous post that I am uncut. If you had/have a son (hypothetical - even if you plan on NOT having a child) would you have him circumcised?

 

[tenderman100]

Pretty troll-ish response. There was nothing in my post to imply that a circumsized dick is in any way anesthetized. The point was to raise the question of possible long-term effects of circumcision on men.

You asked me what it did to "my psyche." My psyche is quite fine, thank you very much.

And my response was not "trollish." Go see how many likes I have on this forum to find out how trollish I am.

Obviously if it's something you've lived with your entire life, you never knew and never will know of anything different. Kids grow up with all sorts of fucked up conditions and environmental factors and they don't know any different. "Normal" is 100% relative. Who's to say that circumcision doesn't cause any psychological or physiological side effects? My point wasn't what are circumsized men missing out on (some sensations no doubt) but how might they be different had it never happened.

Whose to say eating uncooked brocolli doesn't cause a lifetime aversion to brocolli?

These are dumb questions frankly.

Is male circumcision mutilation? I suppose you can make that argument, but on the other hand, you can still get an erection, and sex is still quite pleasurable.

Do I say to myself -- as I slipped into the pussy tonight of a woman I am fucking -- oh, shit...if only I were UNcircumcised!!

Of course not. It's a stupid thing to think, and it's a stupid thing to think that I MIGHT think it, or have it otherwise affect me.

Writing as a non-troll, of course.

 

[Veloce]

Pretty troll-ish response. There was nothing in my post to imply that a circumsized dick is in any way anesthetized. The point was to raise the question of possible long-term effects of circumcision on men.

You asked me what it did to "my psyche." My psyche is quite fine, thank you very much.

And my response was not "trollish." Go see how many likes I have on this forum to find out how trollish I am.

Obviously if it's something you've lived with your entire life, you never knew and never will know of anything different. Kids grow up with all sorts of fucked up conditions and environmental factors and they don't know any different. "Normal" is 100% relative. Who's to say that circumcision doesn't cause any psychological or physiological side effects? My point wasn't what are circumsized men missing out on (some sensations no doubt) but how might they be different had it never happened.

Whose to say eating uncooked brocolli doesn't cause a lifetime aversion to brocolli?

These are dumb questions frankly.

Is male circumcision mutilation? I suppose you can make that argument, but on the other hand, you can still get an erection, and sex is still quite pleasurable.

Do I say to myself -- as I slipped into the pussy tonight of a woman I am fucking -- oh, shit...if only I were UNcircumcised!!

Of course not. It's a stupid thing to think, and it's a stupid thing to think that I MIGHT think it, or have it otherwise affect me.

Writing as a non-troll, of course.

I've given you likes for posts I've thought were deserving but your previous was not one of them. There are no dumb questions; this is an internet forum. If you don't like the conversation then don't participate in it.

You can't equate not eating broccoli to circumcision. As far as I can tell, you're simply pushing forward the notion that circumcision=normal therefor why should we discuss or question it? Just put your notion of reality on the backburner for a split second and consider what circumcision is: the routine and cultural/religious removal of part of a man's penis. That's what it is. Are you really going to equate that with eating or not eating broccoli? If you think it's that ludicrous to discuss or question, like I said just ignore it, but I think it's pretty significant.

Nowhere am I arguing that sex isn't pleasurable for you or other circumsized men. There's literally no point in establishing that. You're reading in between the lines and assuming I'm blasting circumsized dudes "OH MAN YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MISSING". Hardly the case.

Anyway. :angel:

 

[el mechanico]

I'm circumcised and my cock is pretty much the best thing out there right now. Just sayin'

 

[Roosh]

Just a question for the circumcised men here. I did mention in my previous post that I am uncut. If you had/have a son (hypothetical - even if you plan on NOT having a child) would you have him circumcised?

Yeah that's a tough call.

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

If I had a son, I would not have him circumcised. He could make the decision at age 18. I think this is what the law should be. The problem I have with it is that it's done without consent. If this were female bodies, it would NEVER be allowed.

Also, the AMA has come out against circumcision as unnecessary. And Dr. Dean Edell has argued against the practice pretty convincingly.

One thing I don't like is that the debate centers around "what's good for women." Sorry, but men's bodies should not be altered without their consent just so women don't get HPV or AIDS. That's not our problem -- that's a women's health issue. I bet if we removed labia we could reduce STDs as well.

Finally, men's bodies should not be altered just because women say "Ewwww that's grooooossss." I think circumcision is a metaphor, when it's viewed in this light.

 

[Prophylaxis]

Should have been an agreement to get circumcised IF she agreed to vaginal reconstructive surgery

 

[metalhaze]

I'd never have my kid cut.

Man was made this way biologically because the prepuce has such an important role in sex (mechanical role and the nerve endings).


The "supposed" benefits do not outweigh the loss of sensation (ask any man who got cut at an older age).
I mean, would you take your teeth out not to have cavities? or your toenails so that you dont have fungus?

most men on earth are uncircumcised and they arent complaining.

why take that choice away from a new born baby.

just my 2 cents.

 

[RebelLibertarian]

... We also don't remember the pain of getting cut.

Consciously remember, no. But there is evidence that unconscious effects of the trauma persist for months - at least (long-term fx are more speculative).

Recent research provides a potentially urgent reason to ask this question. It shows that pain may leave a lasting, even lifelong, imprint on the developing nervous system. For adults, pain is usually a passing sensation, to be waited out or medicated away. Infants, and perhaps fetuses, may do something different with pain: some research suggests they take it into their bodies, making it part of their fast-branching neural networks, part of their flesh and blood.

Anna Taddio, a pain specialist at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto, noticed more than a decade ago that the male infants she treated seemed more sensitive to pain than their female counterparts. This discrepancy, she reasoned, could be due to sex hormones, to anatomical differences — or to a painful event experienced by many boys: circumcision. In a study of 87 baby boys, Taddio found that those who had been circumcised soon after birth reacted more strongly and cried for longer than uncircumcised boys when they received a vaccination shot four to six months later. Among the circumcised boys, those who had received an analgesic cream at the time of the surgery cried less while getting the immunization than those circumcised without pain relief.

Taddio concluded that a single painful event could produce effects lasting for months, and perhaps much longer. “When we do something to a baby that is not an expected part of its normal development, especially at a very early stage, we may actually change the way the nervous system is wired,” she says. Early encounters with pain may alter the threshold at which pain is felt later on, making a child hypersensitive to pain — or, alternatively, dangerously indifferent to it. Lasting effects might also include emotional and behavioral problems like anxiety and depression, even learning disabilities (though these findings are far more tentative).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/magazine/10Fetal-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

For that matter, authorities have recommended for years that mothers (and fathers) read to an unborn child, play classical music, etc. Presumably positive auditory stimulation has less of an effect than about the most painful sensation to which one could subject a baby.

 

[Asaxon]

Wow, never seen this much defensiveness and outright kneejerk reactions on this forum. Why are the "cut" guys on here so sensitive and overly aggressive?
It is a fact that circumcision removes a part of your body which fulfills the definition of "mutilation". No one said this makes you less of a man, impotent or by any means inferior but the practice does warrant discussion. There are studies out there suggesting that sex is less pleasurable for "cut" guys than for uncut guys and that one reason for circumcision was to limit and reduce male sexuality.