Technology: Good, bad or just a tool?

messaggera

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Another gem here. Man this topic is fascinating. Wild stuff.

ANTHONY LEVANDOWSKI :alien: makes an unlikely prophet. Dressed Silicon Valley-casual in jeans and flanked by a PR rep rather than cloaked acolytes, the engineer known for self-driving cars—and triggering a notorious lawsuit—could be unveiling his latest startup instead of laying the foundations for a new religion. But he is doing just that. Artificial intelligence has already inspired billion-dollar companies, far-reaching research programs, and scenarios of both transcendence and doom. Now Levandowski is creating its first church.

The new religion of artificial intelligence is called Way of the Future. It represents an unlikely next act for the Silicon Valley robotics wunderkind at the center of a high-stakes legal battle between Uber and Waymo, Alphabet’s autonomous-vehicle company. Papers filed with the Internal Revenue Service in May name Levandowski as the leader (or “Dean”) of the new religion, as well as CEO of the nonprofit corporation formed to run it.

The documents state that WOTF’s activities will focus on “the realization, acceptance, and worship of a Godhead based on Artificial Intelligence (AI) developed through computer hardware and software.” That includes funding research to help create the divine AI itself. The religion will seek to build working relationships with AI industry leaders and create a membership through community outreach, initially targeting AI professionals and “laypersons who are interested in the worship of a Godhead based on AI.” The filings also say that the church “plans to conduct workshops and educational programs throughout the San Francisco/Bay Area beginning this year.”

Interesting share from the men's forum:

The documents state that WOTF’s activities will focus on “the realization, acceptance, and worship of a Godhead based on Artificial Intelligence (AI) developed through computer hardware and software.” That includes funding research to help create the divine AI itself. The religion will seek to build working relationships with AI industry leaders and create a membership through community outreach, initially targeting AI professionals and “laypersons who are interested in the worship of a Godhead based on AI.”
 

Starlight

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Protestant
Interesting share from the men's forum:

I expect this to not turn out how these people expect. The last big AI project turned out to be inherently “racist” and I would not be surprised if this “god” AI turns around and says, “Every knee will bow and tongue confess that Christ is King.” :squintlol:
 

messaggera

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This video shows a possibility: the interpretation of Revelation as technology combined with biology and dark spirituality.

Very interesting and quite possible. I enjoyed Dr. Kim’s preaching and visuals. Someone in the comments mentioned Joshua 8:28 .

Thanks @scarfaceantonio for sharing.
Since you seem to be "cutting edge" regarding "Vaccine theory".... I will share this Video also. Make up your mind, this is a DEEP level of explanation.... connecting the "unholy trinity" parts. To be honest Im not sure if I can believe this Video, it seems far fetched. But maybe you will see value in it.... I guess nobody provided such a deep explanation so far.
Rise of The 5G Beast | Dr. Gene Kim

Would be glad to hear some response and examination :)!
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Tools are as inevitable as breathing. Imagine if fire and clothing wasn't invented. We can't even digest almost all food if we didn't cook.

Cooking is like an external secondary stomach.
There is a qualitative difference between primitive tools (which have been around for all of human history) and industrially-produced products and machines (which have only been around since the Industrial Revolution).
(Blog post written by @ilostabet).

Also, you can't compare not having modern technology to not having essentials like cooking, clothing, or breathing.

Humanity can -- and did -- survive and thrive for many millenia without modern technology.

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The "dark ages" is a myth, and is a very anti-Christian idea.

I remember learning in school about how supposedly, during the "dark ages," the Church controlled everything and basically oppressesld everyone, and how this was only reversed after the printing press was invented, leading to widespread literacy, the Protestant "Reformation" and the "Enlightenment."
 
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scarfaceantonio

Robin
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This video shows a possibility: the interpretation of Revelation as technology combined with biology and dark spirituality.

Very interesting and quite possible. I enjoyed Dr. Kim’s preaching and visuals. Someone in the comments mentioned Joshua 8:28 .

Thanks @scarfaceantonio for sharing.
He also has a new Video right out there about "Deamon delluded Christians"... he always has very deep and interesting sermons. Maybe you will also watch the new one and comment. I thank you very much for your feedback ! I dont say this Theory is true, but the way this man "connects dots" seems to make him look a very special Pastor... he has a ton of Videos about "Noas Time Technology" also.... and believes the beast will rise out of Atlantis, very narrow minded!

Demon Deluded Christians | Dr. Gene Kim

Whats so interesting about it, that its a "dark Video".... and he talks how the devil can use godly man and makes so incredible "demonstrations".... and at some point you wonder, could he work through him right now :squintlol:?! At least he says that these "Healing ministrys" are demonic o_O! Maybe you will the Video, too.
What seems very legit is that any christian leader in US, who exchanged his KJV for a more "modern Version", seriosly could ne "influenced". Cpmplicated topics :laughter:
 
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infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
There is a qualitative difference between primitive tools (which have been around for all of human history) and industrially-produced products and machines (which have only been around since the Industrial Revolution).
(Blog post written by @ilostabet).

Also, you can't compare not having modern technology to not having essentials like cooking, clothing, or breathing.

Humanity can -- and did -- survive and thrive for many millenia without modern technology.

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The "dark ages" is a myth, and is a very anti-Christian idea.

I remember learning in school about how supposedly, during the "dark ages," the Church controlled everything and basically oppressesld everyone, and how this was only reversed after the printing press was invented, leading to widespread literacy, the Protestant "Reformation" and the "Enlightenment."

What is more relevant to the topic is if the Industrial Revolution was a good thing. And what went wrong leading to the Ted Kaczynski's criticism.

I'd say the only realistic way is peak fossil fuels. And gradual decline.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I don't know exactly if it is neutral, as I think the overall effect of technology has been negative. However it must be said if I didn't have the internet I wouldn't have found out about Orthodoxy, and I guess it is the same for many converts. It's a mixed bag, but generally I think our reliance on it is a bad thing.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
What is more relevant to the topic is if the Industrial Revolution was a good thing. And what went wrong leading to the Ted Kaczynski's criticism.

I'd say the only realistic way is peak fossil fuels. And gradual decline.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Do you think the Industrial Revolution was good or bad?

And if we had unlimited fossil fuels, are you saying that would fix everything?
 

messaggera

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The image of the very young child as the presentation to this new change is disturbing.
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Link to above screenshot WEF's link.


What is the metaverse? And why should we care?​








And the world economic forum has had some disturbing agenda items in the past.
 

scarfaceantonio

Robin
Other Christian
ohhh :(. Whats even more disturbing is that the people will like or even love it :sad:. Its the "world spirit"... I wasnt better either when I was younger.

Seriosly I would like to see that "Mr. Schwab" to have a discussion with the Forum members :cool:... Or have dinner with him and have a serios duscussion. You can compare it with Paul meeting the emperor :cool:. Question is who would be more influencel? I wonder if these guys, fully know what they do.... or if they enslaved are by their master or are so blind.
 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

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Orthodox Inquirer
What we have witnessed since the 60s or so onwards, when television became common and later internet/computers, is a managed surge of technological development, allowed by ''the elite'' in other words the small group of men who steer the world in all its aspects, political, cultural, economic, education, institutional etc. They needed all these developments to get to a point where their AI was so advanced and their technological possibilities so far ranging, that they could go to a new phase of the system, where we are right now and heading to in a tremendous pace. What is the main difference between these two systems? In the system we've had over the last decades we were allowed to be free, which meant in practicality ''freedom'' from God, freedom to commit sin, to lose yourself in confusement, travel, material gains etcetera. However, there was a big element of freedom there as at least you were not hindered in your movements and ''could do what you want'' under the illusion that that was true freedom. Now as we've reached the state where all that freedom has led to the necessary, capitalistic, enthusiastically, energetic driven technological developments of the last decades, they don't need us to have that freedom anymore. Make no mistake, what we see of technology now is lightyears behind what they already can do. It is no mistake Orwell predicted television/telescreens in his 1949 novel 1984, far before television became a societal thing, or that dr. Richard Day a Rockefeller insider could predict the internet in his notorious dr. Day tapes in the 60s, far before internet was a common knowledge. DARPA/the Pentagon and other underground research bases are far ahead of what the public knows, but that's another lane of discussion. Anyways to conclude, it is important to understand that now technology has reached the levels it can basically run society without much necessity for people, and furthermore it can gather data and implement it for full control (Smart cities, Smart systems, Internet of Things, which is tools operating themselves and thinking/learning themselves) freedom and also humans become obsolete. Lastly that also explains that now, after reaching these technological goals, suddenly we must change our consumption patterns, deindustrialize and have austerity for the plebs. All planned and technological advancement is the linking pin inbetween these two aeons.
 

kamoz

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Hard to say…but it’s interesting to think that Satan could not achieve what he has thus far, or the events in Revelations, without technology….
 

Ah_Tibor

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I don't know exactly if it is neutral, as I think the overall effect of technology has been negative. However it must be said if I didn't have the internet I wouldn't have found out about Orthodoxy, and I guess it is the same for many converts. It's a mixed bag, but generally I think our reliance on it is a bad thing.

That's not necessarily true. Don't forget about pre-internet media or social networks. Churches were once social gathering places, libraries existed, books existed, mailing lists and newspapers existed, meeting a spouse, etc.

I don't think it's possible to be "born in the wrong time" (if I were an adult in the 60s or 70s I'd probably be complaining about TV or mass market paperbacks or something) but I think we'd do just fine without the internet.
 

Lawrence87

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Orthodox
That's not necessarily true. Don't forget about pre-internet media or social networks. Churches were once social gathering places, libraries existed, books existed, mailing lists and newspapers existed, meeting a spouse, etc.

I don't think it's possible to be "born in the wrong time" (if I were an adult in the 60s or 70s I'd probably be complaining about TV or mass market paperbacks or something) but I think we'd do just fine without the internet.

Of course, I cannot know exactly how things would have panned out if I didn't have the internet. However in my country Orthodoxy was pretty unheard of save among migrant communities and a few weirdos who converted. So the odds of having heard about it would have been more slim by my estimation.

When I had the initial experience that converted me, I instantly started to search around online and quickly it became apparent that the Orthodox church is the true church. Of course I maybe have had the same impulse to seek out the roots of things in a pre-internet version of my life, but my comment mostly is a nod to the fact that in much of my spiritual journey, things have been spurred by discoveries made online. It is of course pointless to speculate as to whether I would have ended up where I am without it, but given the route my life has taken, it has played an essential role.
 

Ah_Tibor

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When I had the initial experience that converted me, I instantly started to search around online and quickly it became apparent that the Orthodox church is the true church. Of course I maybe have had the same impulse to seek out the roots of things in a pre-internet version of my life, but my comment mostly is a nod to the fact that in much of my spiritual journey, things have been spurred by discoveries made online. It is of course pointless to speculate as to whether I would have ended up where I am without it, but given the route my life has taken, it has played an essential role.

Maybe. That's a good thing. :)

Cultural progress via technology is odd. I was watching an interview with Walter Murch, the film editor, and he said his New York City neighborhood was tied into some Edison contract that didn't have alternating current (though most places used it by the 50s) so their power was limited, and his parents didn't have a TV, so his childhood had more of a turn-of-the-century vibe than many of his peers.

It made me think of that part in Brave New World where they talk about hiding good and useful technology but keep the facade of scientific advancement, maybe a reference to what happens to somebody like Tesla. But also that most of our "progress" is pretty fake and useless.
 

Sherman

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Orthodox Inquirer
Modern technology is evil.

I say that as someone who made his living developing high technology and now realizes that he was part of a system that is serving Satan’s plan.

Consider just a few points:

1. Nuclear weapons can already destroy humanity several times over,

2. Gain of function research which intentionally creates deadly viruses and may have created Covid 19,

3. Life extension research – the oligarchs are atheists and thus want to live forever. There are already numerous facilities in America for freezing one’s body after death. If this isn’t trying to defeat God’s plan then what is?

https://www.alcor.org/

4. The Internet, smart phones, zoom – have created whole new layers of mental dysfunction, loneliness, and loss of privacy,

5. The meteverse project - new generations of children will grow up spending more time in a virtual reality than in interacting with real people,

6. All technology empowers a totalitarian state, allowing for complete control of every human on earth. A world without freedom. A living hell.

God objected to the Tower of Babel because the intention of building the tower was to challenge God himself. The technology at the level used by the Amish is appropriate as an aid to living life. But modern technology is unrelenting and arrogant and has exceeded the Tower of Babel level and must be destroyed.


https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/45035203-technological-slavery
 

soli.deo.gloria

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Modern technology is evil.

I say that as someone who made his living developing high technology and now realizes that he was part of a system that is serving Satan’s plan.

Consider just a few points:

1. Nuclear weapons can already destroy humanity several times over,

2. Gain of function research which intentionally creates deadly viruses and may have created Covid 19,

3. Life extension research – the oligarchs are atheists and thus want to live forever. There are already numerous facilities in America for freezing one’s body after death. If this isn’t trying to defeat God’s plan then what is?

https://www.alcor.org/

4. The Internet, smart phones, zoom – have created whole new layers of mental dysfunction, loneliness, and loss of privacy,

5. The meteverse project - new generations of children will grow up spending more time in a virtual reality than in interacting with real people,

6. All technology empowers a totalitarian state, allowing for complete control of every human on earth. A world without freedom. A living hell.

God objected to the Tower of Babel because the intention of building the tower was to challenge God himself. The technology at the level used by the Amish is appropriate as an aid to living life. But modern technology is unrelenting and arrogant and has exceeded the Tower of Babel level and must be destroyed.


https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/45035203-technological-slavery
As a kid I used to love watching all the future technology shows on the Discovery channel, etc. Now I dread the advancement of technology because I know where it leads. I already posted this in the transhumanism thread but will drop it here also:




Once (((they))) achieve a sufficiently advanced level of genetic engineering, programmable matter, and artificial intelligence, it's over for us. AKA "the singularity". And I genuinely believe that is probably not too far off. The only consolation is for those who believe in God and may yet be saved, but God only knows what kind of horrors and torments await us between now and then. I sincerely hope and pray I am wrong.
 

christie2

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1) Technology such as television is satanic. Bad.
It is extremely rare to meet any people who have removed tv monitors from their homes.
A man I dated in 1994, who died this time last year, was against tv and tv watching. He recommended that Neil Postman book 'Amusing ourselves to death' to me, which I read.
I still watch his youtube-recorded funeral service and I discover he had been watching a lot of tv in his end days, according to the significant other who was speaking of him at his funeral.

The man I knew from 1994 would have been disgusted that this trait was emphasized at his funeral.

I haven't had a tv in my living space for all this time except for 1 year when I experimented because I had free cable. It was a brand new tv, but when I decided I was done the experimenting, I got rid of it immediately. The shock of the young kid at the back door of the Goodwill/Amity when I dropped it off to donate was priceless.

2)Technology such as the internet is potentially community based. Tool.

It depends on how one restricts oneself to only consuming from independent forums with a variety of hopefully real people or consuming direct emails from people you know. From taking the bus, I rely heavily on the realtime gps map of buses on their routes and I finally used internetbanking to my advantage to rapidly pay customized chunks of debt off.

3) Technology such as apps are satanic. Bad.
Never, never install an app for something you can just go to the main webpage for. Sure, it takes longer, so what.

I thought of this technology thread when I was just trying to finish watching #68 of Roosh's stream where he pulls up clips from things that appeared on the television. I got to almost the 2 hour mark this time and learned about the Horologian and the Prologue from Ohrid but still didn't discover why those particular icons were significant yet, except that now I caught that the Theotokos icon was a Kardiotissa style, I missed that last time, maybe because I didn't know the spelling of the word he was saying.
(I wonder if other people are like that? That they need to 'see' the literal word spelled out because they can only hear properly if they can 'see' the letters with their ears)
 
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messaggera

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Prior to logging into the forum the entry is by googling "rooshv" to bring up the link.
Today rooshv forum link was on page 5 of searches. Seems a bit odd being on page 5 for rooshv .
 
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