Telegram Thread

Would you recommend Telegram to someone else?

  • Yes

  • No, it's not secure or private enough

  • No, it's hard to use

  • No, for another reason

  • I don't know or never used it


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TutorGuina

Woodpecker
After Soylicon Valley meddling in 2020 presidential elections, censorship of a sitting president and monopolistic practices against upcoming tech products that don't toe to the party line, a need for alternatives to Big Tech has arisen

Why is it important? Social media is both he new form of communication and mass media, even if one does not like to spend a lot of time on the internet, ignoring this tool in the age of information warfare is political suicide.

Why is app messaging important?
Decentralized direct communication is both easy to spread and hard to shut down
If there was a critical information that every person on the good side should know, say a gun ban law passing in the dead of the night, each one of them would work as a node relaying the info
Just like it's easier to censor a media tower than word of mouth, rumours and gossip. Censors find it much more difficult to deal with messenger apps compared to the Instagram, Facebook, MySpace model

Anecdote: Leftists in my country absolutely HATE whatsapp
Everytime they put on massive amounts of resources into propaganda from traditional outlets; chain group messages from housewives, church grannies and basically every righty person that owns a phone and free time renders it useless
After a certain point it became a meme, which our side praises and their side demonizes and fears

If one single informed person redacting a well written message works like a spark, a massive base of like minded people on a national level is like a huge forest on dry season



Now on the app itself

Telegram is a messenger app located in England but founded and administered by Russian developers. It has 500 million users and growing, and is by far the biggest competitor to Faceborg's Whatsapp

PROS:
- Ten times more features
- Not owned by Big Tech
CONS:
- Supposedly not as private as it seems
- Steeper learning curve, a techy person will have no problem, but maybe a boomer would

Made this thread mostly to get more opinions from people with better details
Do you think Telegram is a good app to be promoted and recommended?
Are there more relevant pros? More relevant Cons?
Are the privacy issues more serious or less serious than they appear? In my opinion an app like this will never be as private as this Forum, for example
 

RalphMalph

Woodpecker
Can't say since I have yet to switch from WhatsApp to Telegram. But I will tell you this. Ever since Facebook put their moniker on the initial screen of WhatsApp a number of months ago, the damn app has been much slower to respond and as buggy as a nightly Florida BBQ without the bug zappers.

Can't wait to switch but am waiting for a consensus from others on my contact list to decide which app to switch to: Telegram or Signal.
 

joost

Kingfisher
Telegram is an amazing app. It's fast, stable and uses less data. If you live in an area with slow internet, Telegram is the one with more chances of delivering text messages.

You also have usernames. People can find you only with your username. And it doesn't share the phone number (unless your contact already has you in their contacts list).

Gives you unlimited storage (files up to 2GB in size I think).

Even knowing Telegram has access to regular messages (not secret chats), they never revealed a single kb of data to authorities. They delete public channels if the content is porn/violence.


Unfortunately Telegram is not perfect. It doesn't use end-to-end encryption unless you create a new "secret chat". And that chat is only present with the device you created (if you created in your phone, you can't continue the chat in your laptop).
Another problem is that since your chat history stays in their servers, it can be retrieved in a new device. Not easy but possible if you lose access to your devices and your phone number (SMS attack). You can set a 2-factor password but most people don't know how to do it.

That's the biggest problem I have with Telegram. Even being superior to Signal, it's not dumb-proof. Another example:
WhatsApp does chat backups to iCloud (if you have an iPhone) or Google's (if you have an Android) servers in CLEARTEXT! So it doesn't matter having end-2-end encryption "like Signal" if the person you're talking to keeps backups in CLEARTEXT! The only way to be sure it's "safe" using WhatsApp would be to do a call. But then you have to trust Facebook there's no backdoors. And even then you have the problem with metadata. They know who you talked to, for how long and likely the location (since they log IPs).


Signal is implementing usernames (they've been promising for a while). When that happens, it will be the best by far. It's more idiot-proof and easy to use.

Yesterday there was problems with the service since they're adding more servers. Many many people are migrating to Signal. I recommend you ditch all chat apps and use only Signal. If you have to keep WhatsApp and or other services, don't give them access to your contacts list. You can still use the app but at least you're not giving your contacts. Of course if your friends all have you in their lists, Facebook will still have your info but at least you're doing your part.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Can't say since I have yet to switch from WhatsApp to Telegram. But I will tell you this. Ever since Facebook put their moniker on the initial screen of WhatsApp a number of months ago, the damn app has been much slower to respond and as buggy as a nightly Florida BBQ without the bug zappers.

Can't wait to switch but am waiting for a consensus from others on my contact list to decide which app to switch to: Telegram or Signal.

Both, and Element.io too. Encorage everyone to move to Element.io and anything else you can get them on. What's the difference in having them all in the same app? Element.io is the only one that does not require phone or email.

I said "Yes", but only as an interim. I never trusted Telegram, only saw it is a stepping stone to an open and secure platform. We need open protocols, with the ability to host your own server and to choose your client to access the network - that is Element.io on the Matrix network.

But if you are communicating to people on Android, do not consider anything you send them particularly safe.

As mentioned before, to their credit, they spent 2 years evading Russia's Telegram ban. That suggests messages are safe, unless you have access to Telegram's servers or they give you the data.

It is suspicious that they have largely evaded calls for them to be banned, given that it has been a haven for Tommy Robinson, Milo, Loomer et. al. It is even more suspicious that Durov (founder of Telegram) is affiliated with The World Economic Forum.

Telegram is also prone to leaking data. By default anyone can find you by your phone number, if not by harvesting usernames. I assume it is simple to harvest as there have been huge dumps of harvested Telegram data, like https://cointelegraph.com/news/unofficial-iranian-telegram-applications-leak-data-of-42m-users

They also have contact syncing.

If you value your privacy, get a de-Googled phone and use Element.io. Use Telegram or Signal for anyone who refuses to install Element.io. Ditch people who insist on WhatsApp. For a de-Googled phone your beginer option is: /e/ and your advanced option is install ClayxOS or GrapheneOS.
 

Troller

Pelican
LAWSUIT HUNTS ‘ROACH’ TELEGRAM USERS





A U.S. coalition’s suing Apple to purge the Telegram app after deleting Parler, a social network popular with conservatives.





The coalition’s founded by former envoy and Democratic Party adviser Marc Ginsberg, whose latest tweet threatens ‘For every seditionist neo-Nazi fleeing Parler to Telegram, Gab, & all the other web-based roach hostels we are on your trail.’





The complaint accuses Telegram of allowing anti-Semites and white extremists to thrive and that by allowing the app, Apple ‘facilitates religious threats against him and his family that has caused Ambassador Ginsberg to fear for his life.’





Ginsberg, who is Jewish, says Apple’s inaction caused him ‘emotional distress’ and demands damages of $75,000.
 

tractor

Woodpecker
LAWSUIT HUNTS ‘ROACH’ TELEGRAM USERS


A U.S. coalition’s suing Apple to purge the Telegram app after deleting Parler, a social network popular with conservatives.


The coalition’s founded by former envoy and Democratic Party adviser Marc Ginsberg, whose latest tweet threatens ‘For every seditionist neo-Nazi fleeing Parler to Telegram, Gab, & all the other web-based roach hostels we are on your trail.’


The complaint accuses Telegram of allowing anti-Semites and white extremists to thrive and that by allowing the app, Apple ‘facilitates religious threats against him and his family that has caused Ambassador Ginsberg to fear for his life.’


Ginsberg, who is Jewish, says Apple’s inaction caused him ‘emotional distress’ and demands damages of $75,000.

That's the funniest thing ever :squintlol::alien:
 

Roosh

Cardinal
I updated my desktop Telegram app and it allowed me to listen to Roosh's voice chat this afternoon. It ran much smoother than listening on the cellphone. Just a heads up if anyone hasn't used the desktop app yet.
Yes what a nice feature. I was able to do it while driving with a cheap pair of headphones. I also learned that the sessions are recordable.
 

budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member
Bad new, gents.

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budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member
Update...

Looks like Telegram has now pulled in over $1BN in debt financing by selling bonds.

“This will enable Telegram to continue growing globally while sticking to its values and remaining independent,” he goes on, adding that the $1BN debt cushion will also be used to implement a monetization strategy he set out in December — when Durov wrote that “a project of our size needs at least a few hundred million dollars per year to keep going”.

He also committed not to sell Telegram, reiterating then that he wants it to remain independent. Monetization would be non-intrusive, he further pledged then, saying any future move to monetize large one-to-many channels through ads would see benefits flow back to the community — such as in the form of “free traffic in proportion to their size” — while future content sales (like premium stickers) would also entail contributing artists getting “a part of the profit”.

Nonetheless, he has further limited his options by rejecting a series of investment offers in recent months.

A report in Russian press earlier this year said he’d rejected an investment offer for a 5%-10% stake in the company that had valued it at $30BN. We’ve also been told he rejected a higher offer that had valued Telegram at $35BN — and another of $4BN at a $40BN pre-money valuation.

“Durov is afraid of investors of any kind,” one source told us on why he refused to give up any equity.

Debt financing seems to be Telegram’s preferred route at this stage. Back in January The Information reported that it was discussing raising up to $1BN in debt financing from with banks and investors — which would convert to shares in an eventual public offering.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I updated my desktop Telegram app and it allowed me to listen to Roosh's voice chat this afternoon. It ran much smoother than listening on the cellphone. Just a heads up if anyone hasn't used the desktop app yet.

What is the process to listening?

On Telegram. It is a half-way-house. As far as I know they have left Tommy Robinson et. al on there, while the likes of DLive have cleaned house.

Telegram obviously has numerous issues, but it seems to be the best major platform.

My main query is why it hasn't been subject to a more concentrated concentrated campaign to ban it, given who uses it. It's full of groups that would be instantly culled from MSSM.

The best alternative so far is Element.io. It doesn't have as many features, but one is that it has an interface similar to e-mail, which is more conducive for longer conversations. The colours, the layout, the interface of these apps is big factor of how they are used. The bubble chats of Telegram and whatsapp lend to short, low intellect conversations. Similar with dating apps - they are primed for low attention span hamstering.

I think that in the next several years we will see something highly decentralised emerge. At current decentralised VPNs, decentralised databases, decentralised computing power, decentralised filesharing/hosting, decentralised streaming and other platforms are just getting off the ground, and then they will need to be improved. We are not quite at the stage at which a protocol could take advantage of all these.
 
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