Ten Steps to End Jihad Against the West
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spalex
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Vote for the most right wing politicians your country has. Trump, Farage and Putin are people who will get shit done without dancing around the subject. Anyone else is just ruining your country. I personally would prefer someone more like Hitler.
All true.
It is stated over and over that the quran must be taken literally. And if there is one verse that contradicts another verse, than follow the later verse.
I also like the old "oh well that is taken out of context" line. It is literally impossible to take a verse out of context. If you look at a quran you will see that it is just a list of verses upon verses in no particular order. That were just thoughts brought up by muhammed. There are no long speeches in there where you can pull out one sentence. Each verse is only 3 or 4 sentences long just telling people how to act.
Black_Eagle_Six said:
All true.
It is stated over and over that the quran must be taken literally. And if there is one verse that contradicts another verse, than follow the later verse.
I also like the old "oh well that is taken out of context" line. It is literally impossible to take a verse out of context. If you look at a quran you will see that it is just a list of verses upon verses in no particular order. That were just thoughts brought up by muhammed. There are no long speeches in there where you can pull out one sentence. Each verse is only 3 or 4 sentences long just telling people how to act.
Easy_C said:
You're asking U.S. neocons to give up cold war 2.0 and to stop sacrificing lives and resources for Israel.
You might as well ask them to hand deliver gold bars to every american citizen this christmas.
My own thoughts echo the other sentiments expressed here.
The obvious solution is to leave them alone, and don't let them into our countries. Case closed.
Islamic societies like ISIS simply don't have the culture to organize a tangible threat against the west. What I mean is, they don't have the scientists to produce advanced weapons, they don't have the economy to manufacture them, and they don't have the discipline to train armies that can beat us on the open battlefield.
Israel has proven this by winning every war even though its enemies are far more numerous.
On the other hand, western intervention has practically ensured Islamic extremism. We trained the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. We deposed a secular state in Iraq that was beginning to look a lot like a 1st world nation (look up pictures of Baghdad from before the invasion). We did it again in Syria by arming extremists, leading to ISIS.
If we left them alone long enough, strongmen could ensure stable enough societies to dissipate the religious feelings of the masses. Just like what happened in Europe with Christianity: people get lazy and indulgent. People who have jobs to go to, porn to jerk off to, and xBoxes to play on are far less inclined towards religious extremism (not completely - but far less).
It's obvious to me that the wars we have now are an intended result. The military industrial complex and political elites want us to be constantly at war there, they are making a shit ton of money. It's also much easier to control the population back home with fear and propaganda.
The obvious solution is to leave them alone, and don't let them into our countries. Case closed.
Islamic societies like ISIS simply don't have the culture to organize a tangible threat against the west. What I mean is, they don't have the scientists to produce advanced weapons, they don't have the economy to manufacture them, and they don't have the discipline to train armies that can beat us on the open battlefield.
Israel has proven this by winning every war even though its enemies are far more numerous.
On the other hand, western intervention has practically ensured Islamic extremism. We trained the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. We deposed a secular state in Iraq that was beginning to look a lot like a 1st world nation (look up pictures of Baghdad from before the invasion). We did it again in Syria by arming extremists, leading to ISIS.
If we left them alone long enough, strongmen could ensure stable enough societies to dissipate the religious feelings of the masses. Just like what happened in Europe with Christianity: people get lazy and indulgent. People who have jobs to go to, porn to jerk off to, and xBoxes to play on are far less inclined towards religious extremism (not completely - but far less).
It's obvious to me that the wars we have now are an intended result. The military industrial complex and political elites want us to be constantly at war there, they are making a shit ton of money. It's also much easier to control the population back home with fear and propaganda.
LEMONed IScream
Ostrich
Just to note the article does not exactly represent my views. I merely shared it.
Foolsgo1d
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GameNovice said:
You need to look up a map. UK enabling foreigners?
We're a bloody island on the west coast of Europe and above Spain.Do they float on up from Africa and the med to the UK? No they come from Europe, which in turn allows them to come from the eastern bloc, which allows them from Greece and before that its Italy and Turkey.
And your punitive expeditions? We'd laugh at any attempt to invade us with a military force.
Really the threat jihad poes should not be a problem to us. We have the superior military, superior tehnology. With tons of Muslim immigration they have been able to pull of various attacks here and there, but its nothing compared to the devestation of an actual coordinated military attack any country with an air force could pull off. We could destroy Raqqa completely in probably ten minutes if we wanted to, ISIS certainly could not do this to Washington D.C. or Paris yet.
The only reason jihad is a problem is because our own leaders are inviting it, instead of defending against it. We are seeing a civilizational conflict, between one side with an airforce and another that relies on suicide bombers and stray terrorists with a gun or two. This should be no contest really, but our own leaders refuse to adequately deal with it to protect us.
We have the means to protect ourselves. It is just a question of getting in leaders who actually want to use those means.
If we treated ISIS held territory like we did Germany and Japana in WWII, this could be over quickly.
Raqqa is still standing though, strangely enough. Not how we treated Berlin or Tokyo during WWII.
The only reason jihad is a problem is because our own leaders are inviting it, instead of defending against it. We are seeing a civilizational conflict, between one side with an airforce and another that relies on suicide bombers and stray terrorists with a gun or two. This should be no contest really, but our own leaders refuse to adequately deal with it to protect us.
We have the means to protect ourselves. It is just a question of getting in leaders who actually want to use those means.
If we treated ISIS held territory like we did Germany and Japana in WWII, this could be over quickly.
Raqqa is still standing though, strangely enough. Not how we treated Berlin or Tokyo during WWII.
Isis and Al Queda for that matter are nothing more than a CIA, Saudi, Mossad front used to destabilize the region in an effort to get Saudi Arabian natural gas piped up into Europe to eliminate a source of Russian income.
The real question is will Donald if he becomes president start a massive investigation and a mass arrest of American intelligence workers once he gets into power...
The real question is will Donald if he becomes president start a massive investigation and a mass arrest of American intelligence workers once he gets into power...
LEMONed IScream
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Saudi Arabia is the main terrorist state in the world.
The West cannot support it and claim to fight terrorism at the same time.
It's a simple equation. But either way, the truth is that the war on "terrorism" is like the war on drugs, it's not even meant to be won, just amplified and instrumentalized according to it's usefulness in achieving a certain end.
The West cannot support it and claim to fight terrorism at the same time.
It's a simple equation. But either way, the truth is that the war on "terrorism" is like the war on drugs, it's not even meant to be won, just amplified and instrumentalized according to it's usefulness in achieving a certain end.
Sonsowey said:
If the goal was to protect the masses it could be over really quickly, only If the goal was to protect...
Raqqa is strangely still standing or maybe it's not as big ISIS HQ as the government want you to think it is.
Look at the charts more or less than 60% of ISIS money come from exported goods (cotton, oil, gas, phosphate...)
And the irony is that our countries are buying DAESH cotton because it's the cheaper on the market to make things like this:
I think, and that's only my opinion, that when the coalition will left those country and let those people kill themselves like they did in other countries, only then the rest of the world will be able to live in peace without no terorist threats like this one:
Chicken bombs, cheaper and spicier than KFC
LEMONed IScream said:
LEMONed IScream said:
Yes. The House of Saud is the true evil power.
Pretty good video on the whole muslims vs islamists issue in my opinion. Quite good to spread awareness amongst normies as well:
Like a few others I too got criticized for saying not all muslims are terrorists. But it's important to make that clear because the moderates are needed to oppose the radicals and if we don't distinguish, it will lead to resentment amongst moderates. Some people say "aha, so the moderates are potential extremists too then", but think about how you would react if you're constantly being accused of being violent because a more or less large proportion of a group you're associated with is violent. We need to monitor which muslims are really moderate and which of them just pretend to be, yes. And regardless of them being radical or moderate, I don't want them in my country to be honest because it pollutes the culture and increases social tension. But they are here for now and calling all of them violent won't help us in any way. Trumps approach is the right way at the moment, I think: just check what's really going on with each one.
Like a few others I too got criticized for saying not all muslims are terrorists. But it's important to make that clear because the moderates are needed to oppose the radicals and if we don't distinguish, it will lead to resentment amongst moderates. Some people say "aha, so the moderates are potential extremists too then", but think about how you would react if you're constantly being accused of being violent because a more or less large proportion of a group you're associated with is violent. We need to monitor which muslims are really moderate and which of them just pretend to be, yes. And regardless of them being radical or moderate, I don't want them in my country to be honest because it pollutes the culture and increases social tension. But they are here for now and calling all of them violent won't help us in any way. Trumps approach is the right way at the moment, I think: just check what's really going on with each one.
DjembaDjemba
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Radical Islam, say hello to Radical Feminism. Radical Feminism, say hellp to Radical Islam...
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YossariansRight said:
The house of Saud is originally a jewish tribe. I will expand on this later, it is not me just speculating. Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US are allies for a reason. Politics in the middle east are an incomprehensible mess where your friends are also your enemies.
The deal Obama made with Iran does not make any sense until you consider that it was pushed for by Israel who also supports Iran. Yes, the same Iran who wants to nuke Israel. During the Iraq-Iran war, Israel supplied Iran with arms, aid and tactical support. You can find this on wikipedia, they are currently trade partners.
It is all one big theater, typical mossad diversion tactics.
Another good, in-depth, and balanced read:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Who woulda thunk?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Who woulda thunk?
Pride male
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@syrianguy. So why Israel and Iran are in bed together? Will America really go to war with Iran? So why does Iran talk about wiping Israel off the map if they are friends?
Pride male said:
Let me give you some background. I might be going off on some tangents but bear with me.
The paranoia of zionist spies infiltrating regimes is always lingering in the minds of middle eastern people. This was intensified following the failed 6-day war on Israel, accusations of secret alliances with Israel/US were being thrown left and right.
Assad's current detractors- the opposition or "moderates" if you wish- constantly accuse him of being under zionist protection. I speak to a lot of Syrian friends and frequent anti-Assad forums/ facebook pages. They point to a number of reports showing that Israeli jets have been freely flying over Syrian territory completely unobstructed by Assad. Secondly, there is evidence that Assad had released a large number of Islamic fighters at the start of the revolution( captured after the Iraq war) who went on to form ISIS north of the country, we all know they are now trained by the mossad. Lastly, Damascus is undergoing a demographic change with Iranians hordes coming in and buying cheap real estate.
I tell you this because in the failed Iranian revolution the same claims were made about Khomeini's regime in Iran.
The way I see it, Israel would never allow an islamic state next door - and ISIS was never a threat. I think they benefits from the turmoil in many ways, one of them is it takes the attention away from the Palestinian cause but it goes much deeper than that. Divide and conquer principle at work.
Israel and Persia relationship can be traced back to the scriptures where the persian ruler, Cyrus the great, freed the jews from the babylonians (Today's Iraq) returning them to the promised land and rebuilding their temple in Jerusalem.
Flash-forward to the 80s, Ayatollah's islamic brand had takeover in Iran and declared the U.S -along with Israel- to be the "great Satan". This didn't prevent Israel from siding with him during the Iraq-Iran war. Look up the scandal of the Irangate, where Israel facilitated the sale of american weapons to Iran who was under embargo.
Bush takes the flack for the Iraq war in 2003 but there is little talk of the powerful Israel lobby that was pressuring for the war behind the scenes. Mesopotomia was vindictively destroyed, again Iran clearly benefits.
What you see now between Iran and Israel is only a war of words. Meaningless words, Iran was never an existential threat to the Jews. Iran's greatest ally in the region has always been Israel.
This is only scratching the surface, please read this article to see how deep the ties run between the two countries. Israel's support was there during the Shah's reign. There is also a book about it, Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel,Iran and the United States" by Trita Parsi. I don't claim to know the real intentions of the zionist but in politics you have to connect the dots.
GameNovice
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Foolsgo1d said:You need to look up a map. UK enabling foreigners?
Do they float on up from Africa and the med to the UK? No they come from Europe, which in turn allows them to come from the eastern bloc, which allows them from Greece and before that its Italy and Turkey.
And your punitive expeditions? We'd laugh at any attempt to invade us with a military force.
The UK is the original supercuck nation and beyond saving. It, along with Sweden, should be considered a lost cause as far as civilization goes.
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