The 4 Hour Body - The Results

[wi30]

Tim Ferriss is a guru. No more, no less. Like any guru, you have to give credit where credit is due.

Books like The 4 Hour Workweek and Rich Dad, Poor Dad definitely changed my life for the better.

They allowed a mindset shift to occur where I actively sought out books to teach the concepts in theirs. They motivated me and let me see that there is more to life than what we were brainwashed to believe.

Is Tim Ferriss or Robert Kiyosaki a sellout? Yes. But did they inspire thousands of people to unlock a part of their brain and follow their dreams? Yes.

These dudes are first and foremost marketers. But the magic is that they allow people to view the world in a different way, in order to buy more of their products. But something interesting happens. Normal people read those books, get inspired, and find websites like BiggerPockets or RVF. Then the real magic happens. People start making moves, starting businesses, buying properties.

I probably wouldn't have found this corner of the internet if it weren't for books I read from "gurus".

 

[Stickman]

Tim Ferriss is a guru. No more, no less. Like any guru, you have to give credit where credit is due.

Books like The 4 Hour Workweek and Rich Dad, Poor Dad definitely changed my life for the better.

They allowed a mindset shift to occur where I actively sought out books to teach the concepts in theirs. They motivated me and let me see that there is more to life than what we were brainwashed to believe.

Is Tim Ferriss or Robert Kiyosaki a sellout? Yes. But did they inspire thousands of people to unlock a part of their brain and follow their dreams? Yes.

These dudes are first and foremost marketers. But the magic is that they allow people to view the world in a different way, in order to buy more of their products. But something interesting happens. Normal people read those books, get inspired, and find websites like BiggerPockets or RVF. Then the real magic happens. People start making moves, starting businesses, buying properties.

I probably wouldn't have found this corner of the internet if it weren't for books I read from "gurus".

Fair point. You give credit where it's due and then you call them out on their bullshit. We are after truth here after all.

 

[Albatross]

He skipped Genetics Day

 

[RichieP]

Isnt the four hour body mass-gain protocol pretty conventional bare-bones bulking?

Except for the the weird super-slow lifting I suppose. but it's still intense, decent time-under-tension, and weekly progression, right?

Should get results. Feel like this guy missed something... protein, or something about intensity/progression on the lifting.

 

[AboveAverageJoe]

I sure hope the four hour work week believers are fairing better than this guy.
He could have done 100 Push ups, 20 pullups, and 40 dips every other day and got better results.
Typical "I worked out hard and ate a ton" guy when you look at their unathletic body and ask how long the stayed with the program and if they have any athletic experience. The answer usually is "Like two whole months and know I have never done anything slightly athletic ever."
It is easy to get back in shape when you have been in shape.
Anyone who I could monitor 24/7 exercise and diet I could gaurantee visible results within 90 days that would encourage them to continue.
People just want easy answers, not hard work and rersults.

 

[RichieP]

Yeah I mean 3 sets of deads and chins once a week would get him in alot better shape than that...

 

[zatara]

Not necessarily man.

Just to give an example, copying Chris Jones' high-volume bodybuilding routines got me results for a while but then I stalled out hard. Only after cutting it down to a 3 day a week PPL split did I break the plateaus and make progress again. High volume bodybuilding splits work for a lot of people and I'll probably do one again for 1.5 months during bulking season just to shock the body into growth, but even CJ himself doesn't recommend that everyone do his specific routine.

What works for others won't nessecarily work for you.

One specific bodybuilder's workout might not be ideal for someone else (though it would still be a hell of a lot better than the 4 Hour Body) but my point was relating to general body-types from sports. With the joys of the internet its possible to quite quickly find out what sort of diet and workout regime a high level American Football running back, or defensive lineman, or a high level rugby forward, or a rugby back etc has.

These obviously get tweaked for individuals but they're a very reliable base for a newbie to lifting to go from "I like that body type" to "how do I make myself look like that".

I'd far rather someone new to weightlifting followed a regime designed and published by the English Rugby Football Union (to take one example), a professional body with advice backed up by massive amounts of sports science (and with results field tested rigorously on a weekly basis), than any random internet guru who will likely either have an agenda to push, money to make, or who is just plain ignorant.

 

[fiasco360]

I guarantee you that this guy didn't eat more than 80g of protein a day and I'm almost certain he wasn't even eating 2000 calories.

His work out intensity sucked balls too probably.

It's not rocket science, you don't have to live in the gym. You can work out 3 times a week, eat at a surplus and you will make gains of some sort. Yes there are finer points to this but for someone like him- the basics are more than adequate.

I had multiple clients who were skinny (I was too) who told me they ate a ton. Since I was so skinny, I knew how people overestimated their calorie count. At a certain point I had to eat until I was uncomfortable.

So I started asking them exactly what they were eating, I would have them show me with their hands how big the portions were and sometimes even asked about their grocery bill. I know it seems extreme but I could tell people were bullshitting me. Often times this is the result:

Sub 2000 calories
less than 0.5g protein per lb of bodyweight
garbage food overall

I simply had them start throwing in some additional milk or other higher protein foods and what do you know, they started to gain weight, strength and muscle. They thought it was magic.

 

[Albatross]

I guarantee you that this guy didn't eat more than 80g of protein a day and I'm almost certain he wasn't even eating 2000 calories.

Wrong

He was up a full 20 lbs at one point

Did you even read the link ?

 

[fiasco360]

I guarantee you that this guy didn't eat more than 80g of protein a day and I'm almost certain he wasn't even eating 2000 calories.

Wrong

He was up a full 20 lbs at one point

Did you even read the link ?

Admittedly I did not. I saw some of the general information. I'll dig deeper but something seems amiss here.

 

[Independent1]

Don't really see how one subject that failed Tim's method allows confirmation that the method doesn't work. From this guys picture there's a number of concerns about his results, the list of things he did wrong could be endless.

Tim sure is a marketing genius but I don't feel like he's pushing false info/products to the point where you can put him in the category of being a bullshitter. I'd say guys like Dave Asprey and others who sell their "own" products of existing items with small adjustments fall into that category. They then market the shit out of them explaining that their product is "better" than alternatives, as if they've got something you can't get anywhere else. From what I've heard from Tim (mainly his podcasts), it seems the products/services he promotes aren't his own (he has adverts/affliates but I'm reffering plenty of others he's mentioned during a podcast) which wouldn't make any sense for him to market unless he believed in them.

 

[Fortis]

He's skinny as fuck. Should eat more and lift.

I just saved him 1+ year of lifting advice. Skinny motherfuckers aren't eating enough. I hate when skinny guys are like "FAST METABOLISM BOOHOO!" when we all know they're not eating enough. I am naturally skinny like this guy, but I force food down my gullet.

 

[zatara]

Don't really see how one subject that failed Tim's method allows confirmation that the method doesn't work. From this guys picture there's a number of concerns about his results, the list of things he did wrong could be endless.

The fact Tim Ferris's method goes against 50 years of very comprehensively tested sports science is confirmation it doesn't work. Its the sports science equivalent of someone who says "well evolution is only a THEORY, you can't believe mainstream science!!".

I guarantee people like the guy in the OP spend more time discussing their workout plans on the internet than being actually in the gym. And thats the core of the problem. I think most guys here in their 20s will have a friend like this. Certain men get far too drawn into the theoreticals of working out, of discussing it at length, of finding the new hip workout fad. And they never actually commit to working out properly, and put in their 3hours+ a week solidly over months.

Its not rocket science. Three workouts a week, heavy compound movements, a calorie excess, a high protein diet, and enough sleep will have anyone making great gains.

 

[Albatross]

Three workouts a week, heavy compound movements, a calorie excess, a high protein diet, and enough sleep will have anyone making great gains.

Proof?

 

[realologist]

From what I see Albatross is probably OP because hes being all butthurt about multiple members comments.

Either way this guy wasn't eating as much as he said or his program blew. Although he lost 20 lbs his arms, back and chest all looked the same. That guy could easily gain a lot of muscle with lifting and eating.

 

[zatara]

Three workouts a week, heavy compound movements, a calorie excess, a high protein diet, and enough sleep will have anyone making great gains.

Proof?

Proof that anyone can put on muscle? Ehm, I'm guessing you're either trolling, or as realologist suggested you're the skinyfat Asian guy in the OP who wasted almost 2 years of his life, but well, basic human physiology.

If you're actually genuinely curious have a start with something peer reviewed but intellectually accessible like www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255140 and then go on-wards from there.

 

[Albatross]

Three workouts a week, heavy compound movements, a calorie excess, a high protein diet, and enough sleep will have anyone making great gains.

Proof?

Proof that anyone can put on muscle? Ehm, I'm guessing you're either trolling, or as realologist suggested you're the skinyfat Asian guy in the OP who wasted almost 2 years of his life, but well, basic human physiology.

If you're actually genuinely curious have a start with something peer reviewed but intellectually accessible like www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255140 and then go on-wards from there.

Yes I am looking for proof that anyone can put on muscle guaranteed

You take it is a given, but do you even have any?

And no that link is not proof of anything

inb4 "Troll" accusation

 

[realologist]

Three workouts a week, heavy compound movements, a calorie excess, a high protein diet, and enough sleep will have anyone making great gains.

Proof?

Proof that anyone can put on muscle? Ehm, I'm guessing you're either trolling, or as realologist suggested you're the skinyfat Asian guy in the OP who wasted almost 2 years of his life, but well, basic human physiology.

If you're actually genuinely curious have a start with something peer reviewed but intellectually accessible like www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255140 and then go on-wards from there.

Yes I am looking for proof that anyone can put on muscle guaranteed

You take it is a given, but do you even have any?

And no that link is not proof of anything

inb4 "Troll" accusation

Do you seriously wonder why people are going to call you a troll?

Eating, sleeping and working out hard have worked through out history. Hundreds of members of different races, body types and ages have all improved their physique with this simple.

I'm guessing the reason this hits a nerve with you is because you haven't been successful at building muscle.

Why don't you post your workouts, diet and sleeping pattern?

That will reveal a lot.

 

[RichieP]

I guarantee you that this guy didn't eat more than 80g of protein a day and I'm almost certain he wasn't even eating 2000 calories.

Often times this is the result:

Sub 2000 calories
less than 0.5g protein per lb of bodyweight
garbage food overall

I simply had them start throwing in some additional milk or other higher protein foods and what do you know, they started to gain weight, strength and muscle. They thought it was magic.

Yeah this is on point. The guy hardly changed in 87 weeks, which means he was simply not eating to gain weight.

Eating calorie surplus to gain weight = he would add at least 30lbs bodyweight in 1.5yrs+, regardless of fat/muscle composition.

The weight training is what ensures a good portion of that is gained as muscle.

If the training "didn't work" yet he was eating to gain, he would have at least gained 30lbs of fat from the extra calories.

The fact that his physique and weight barely changed, shows he was nowhere close to eating to gain.

Either that, or he has some sort of digestive disease.

 

[Albatross]

Three workouts a week, heavy compound movements, a calorie excess, a high protein diet, and enough sleep will have anyone making great gains.

Proof?

Proof that anyone can put on muscle? Ehm, I'm guessing you're either trolling, or as realologist suggested you're the skinyfat Asian guy in the OP who wasted almost 2 years of his life, but well, basic human physiology.

If you're actually genuinely curious have a start with something peer reviewed but intellectually accessible like www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255140 and then go on-wards from there.

Yes I am looking for proof that anyone can put on muscle guaranteed

You take it is a given, but do you even have any?

And no that link is not proof of anything

inb4 "Troll" accusation

Do you seriously wonder why people are going to call you a troll?

Eating, sleeping and working out hard have worked through out history. Hundreds of members of different races, body types and ages have all improved their physique with this simple.

Some =/= All

You understand this distinction, right? Or no?

People ITT throwing out "Oh this IDIOT, he should have done ABC routine or XYZ routine!!!", but again you have NO proof that any routine GUARANTEES good gains for ALL