The 5G thread

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Handsome Creepy Eel said:
But guys think of no more buffering.

 

questor70

Ostrich
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Easy_C said:
4G LTE is more than fast enough to stream Youtube videos when it is working at full coverage. That's about all you need because you simply can't consume content any faster than that.

The satellite 5G being talked about in this thread would really be more for household use in remote areas. So you're talking about sharing that bandwidth across multiple devices.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Just asked Nancy Pelosi.

We get to find out about the health costs after the full implementation...
 

Avoy

 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Curious: Am I the only one who walks around with his outdated phone in Airplane Mode? I use my smartphone mainly for messaging and getting information. Never been a fan of always being available. I check and respond to messages on my timetable. And I rarely ever make or take phone calls. Side benefit: no location tracking or cell radiation while the phone sits in your pant pocket (as far as I'm aware) and you can still use it to quickly check the time and receive any reminders or alarms (so better than turning the phone completely off).
 

durangotang

Pelican
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

I suppose you could construct a house with special considerations, and in the process of construction make it a faraday cage, perhaps with a motorized detachable antenna array on top for coverage when you needed it. Have the house wired for Internet so you aren't subject to wifi. While you are doing so, you could also ground the flooring so that the schumann resonance gets through. You'd probably sleep like a baby. My $0.02 if you had the cash.
 

Garuda

Woodpecker
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

People began wondering when Wifi was installed in schools.


Several years ago, a book called An Electronic Silent Spring was published. It made claims like new electromagnetic fields like 4G/5G interfered with living things' sense of direction and mice become sterile after being exposed to EMR for five generations. It also cited some European studies that cancer risks increased greatly when cell phone use did as well.

The companies are pushing for it because it will force everyone to buy a new phone. Basically it's just a money grab.
 

SHDAD75

Pigeon
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

It's 2019, and I still don't have a cell/smart phone. I plan to use wired as long as possible. Oh, and BTW, I am typing this using Windows ME and Pentium III.
 

Avoy

 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G



Interesting post in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/...r-wanted-us-to-use-our-iphones-like-this.html

...Mr. Jobs envisioned a simpler and more constrained iPhone experience than the one we actually have over a decade later. For example, he doesn’t focus much on apps. When the iPhone was first introduced there was no App Store, and this was by design. As Andy Grignon, an original member of the iPhone team, told me when I was researching this topic, Mr. Jobs didn’t trust third-party developers to offer the same level of aesthetically pleasing and stable experiences that Apple programmers could produce. He was convinced that the phone’s carefully designed native features were enough. It was “an iPod that made phone calls,” Mr. Grignon said to me.

Mr. Jobs seemed to understand the iPhone as something that would help us with a small number of activities — listening to music, placing calls, generating directions. He didn’t seek to radically change the rhythm of users’ daily lives. He simply wanted to take experiences we already found important and make them better.

The minimalist vision for the iPhone he offered in 2007 is unrecognizable today — and that’s a shame.

[...]

Practically speaking, to be a minimalist smartphone user means that you deploy this device for a small number of features that do things you value (and that the phone does particularly well), and then outside of these activities, put it away. This approach dethrones this gadget from a position of constant companion down to a luxury object, like a fancy bike or a high-end blender, that gives you great pleasure when you use it but doesn’t dominate your entire day.

I guess I'm a minimalist smartphone user (see my previous comment).
 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Millimeter waves were invented in Israel to be used as DEW (directed-energy weapon).

5G is the optimal millimeter wave.

Israel is not getting 5G.
 

fmman

Robin
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

5G has a very small line of sight at those frequencies 28 - 30 Ghz. The 6 Ghz stuff is much slower so not worth bothering with. I wouldn't worry about it. I suppose you believe in global warming too
 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Avoy said:
Curious: Am I the only one who walks around with his outdated phone in Airplane Mode? I use my smartphone mainly for messaging and getting information. Never been a fan of always being available. I check and respond to messages on my timetable. And I rarely ever make or take phone calls. Side benefit: no location tracking or cell radiation while the phone sits in your pant pocket (as far as I'm aware) and you can still use it to quickly check the time and receive any reminders or alarms (so better than turning the phone completely off).

 

Avoy

 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

firat113 said:
Avoy said:
Curious: Am I the only one who walks around with his outdated phone in Airplane Mode? I use my smartphone mainly for messaging and getting information. Never been a fan of always being available. I check and respond to messages on my timetable. And I rarely ever make or take phone calls. Side benefit: no location tracking or cell radiation while the phone sits in your pant pocket (as far as I'm aware) and you can still use it to quickly check the time and receive any reminders or alarms (so better than turning the phone completely off).


This is insane! Thanks for sharing the video. Good description of Google's business model: "Surveillance Capitalism". This is one of the reason I've been hesitant to switch to Android. It seems if you're privacy focused, iOS is the better alternative of the big two.
 

AntoniusofEfa

Woodpecker
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

How do you know that Apple is not tracking you? The only way to go around it is to use something like Purism.
 

Avoy

 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

AntoniusofEfa said:
How do you know that Apple is not tracking you? The only way to go around it is to use something like Purism.

I'm keeping an eye on Purism's Librem 5: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

It's still not out yet -- ETA: 4/19. Would be nice if it had an Android App compatibility layer. Everyone who uses this will have to settle for HTML5 mobile web apps if they want to have anything similar.

But, yeah, this will definitely be one of the most secure phones on the market when it comes out.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

David Icke makes some points between 15:00 - 20:00
- Operates in milimeter waves, requiring little boxes on the lamp post all over pumping out these waves.
- They are pushing this 5G hard, before we know what it is
- The communication/surveillance industry will only be strengthened, whether it be china or the ((USA))
- No independent research on 5G health effects.
- Urban Trees are being cut down because 5G doesn't like their solidity and old wise tree energy

 

thoughtgypsy

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

As someone whose worked in the field of EM for years, I wanted to chime in on some posts that struck me as inaccurate or needed clarification.

void said:
You are bathing in photons with different wavelengths right now. Reading this text, photons enter your eyes and do shit. *BOOM*
The wifi signal of your router and all the other routers do this all the time right now. The only difference with 5G is wavelength and may be intensity/power.
Wavelength is hard to be respecified after 5G is installed, but power and exposure dosis may be reduced by a tighter mesh of base stations.

This is a a red herring. Yes, we are being bathed in photons naturally. But dismissing the potential harmful effects of 5G, an artificial form of EM radiation that the human body has never previously been exposed to, simply because it's a form of EM radiation is flawed. Paracelsus already beautifully demonstrated why, but to add a point: We've been exposed to sunlight for the existence of our species, but it is still a known carcinogen at high enough exposures.

There are other important differences between 5G and naturally occurring EM radiation. Namely, they are:
1) Polarization. Modern EM signals meant for data transmission typically use circular polarization. This allows them to be picked up regardless of the orientation of the receiving antenna.

2) Waveform. As far as I know, 5G will remain a digital signal (code-delimited multiple access), which utilizes a square wave, as opposed to naturally occuring signals which typically follow sinusoidal waves.


For sinusoidal waves at a given frequency, the slew rate (how fast the wave amplitude switches from a trough to a peak) is relatively low. Compare this to square waves, where the slew rate for an ideal square wave is infinite. For molecules which are sensitive to changes in charge direction, this could potentially have dramatic effects.

3) Intensity for a given frequency. In order to be received, EM signals must be distinguished from the ambient EM environment. Therefore, they must be more intense than the other EM radiation at their transmitting frequency, otherwise the signal will be undetectable. As such, these signals are inherently additive on top of the pre-existing natural EM environment. This is particularly interesting for frequencies that experience very low intensity naturally.

Sherman said:
The infrared radiation that your own body radiates 24/7 is still shorter in wavelength than 5G. As Plank proved, the energy to emit an electron and thus ionize an atom is proportional only to the frequency of the radiation and not the power. Microwaves don't have high enough frequency to ionize atoms and thus create mutations. Ultimately, the only way you can determine if there is any other danger is through an empirical scientific investigation.

Is the question whether electromagnetic radiation is only harmful if it is ionizing? Microwave ovens are not ionizing. But if you were to put your pet kitten in one and set it to 20 minutes, Fluffy might not make it through (please do not attempt this). Now imagine 24/7 exposure, instead of 20 minutes. Now, I doubt 5G is as dangerous as being fried in a microwave oven, but the point is that EM radiation doesn't have to be ionizing in order to be harmful to us.

Possible concerns
It appears as though 5G is not harmful regarding ionization or heating. On the plus side, its amplitude should be relatively low. However, that does not mean it is harmless.

The fact of the matter is, we don't really know if it's harmless or not. And we're rapidly reaching a point where everyone on the planet will be bathed in 5G radiation to the point where we won't have a control population to compare and contrast its effects.

One of the things that concerns me is that the studies used to justify its safety seem specifically designed to return benign results. Organic chemists and engineers are some of the brightest people out there-- it seems strange that they'd produce such obviously flawed methodologies unless they were trying to manufacture a desired outcome.

They also seem to focus too much on aspects that they know will return negative results (ionization and heating), rather than focusing on a broader survey of measures. To use an analogy, it's like saying DDT is safe because it doesn't burn the skin. Asbestos was perfectly safe, until it wasn't. Just like dozens of others that were rolled out on the unsuspecting populace.

Some unique characteristics that set artificial EM radiation apart from natural radiation are its waveform, its polarization, and its intensity for a given frequency. If the main frequency band it operates with doesn't have much naturally-occurring radiation in it, our bodies might not be properly adapted to dealing with it.

Nervous system
Our central nervous system is very sensitive to changes in electrical and chemical activity in various ways. Our bodies contain billions of neurons that respond to these changes. Electrolytes are charged particles that affect everything from our organ function to our very ability to breath. Our body is made up mostly of water, which itself is a polarized molecule. The electromagnetic environment our bodies are subject to can have a profound effect on our health.

Circadian rythm
The Earth is largely protected from solar and interstellar radiation from the Van Allen radiation belts, and the ionosphere. These two systems ensure that the intensity of radiation which reaches the Earth's surface is greatly reduced. When it is night time, the level of solar radiation (and strength of the ionosphere) drops as it is no longer being (directly) bombarded from solar radiation.

Our pineal gland is sensitive to these changes in radiation, perhaps even beyond just changes in the visible spectrum. Normally, all radiation levels drop during night. However, 5G is constantly on, and would maintain its intensity regardless of whether its day or not.

Cognition
Our neurons operate on a frequency of 0-200Hz. From what we understand of the electrical activity of the brain, cognition tends to occur mainly at frequencies of (5-8 Hz), (9-12 Hz), (14-28 Hz), and (40-80 Hz).


Seeing as 5G radiation occurs at frequencies much, much higher than this, it should be obvious to see how 5G signals are well beyond the frequency required to possibly disrupt electrical signalling provided they can penetrate to the blood brain barrier.

Electrochemical signalling
Signals that are of higher frequency than the receiver's resolution cannot be properly measured by the receiver. This is called aliasing in signal processing. This is important to understand, as our neurons are essentially electrical receivers operating a maximum resolution of 200Hz.

Imagine that a neuron responds to a biochemical signal that changes once every 50 times per second. Now imagine that on top of that signal, you introduce another signal that changes once every 500 million times per second. The one that changes much faster will disrupt the signal to the point where the signalling will become useless to the neuron. To visualize this, see the image below.


In the image above, it shows that the more points (higher resolution) you're able to measure, the more closely you can measure the signal. If you can only measure 200 points in a second, but the signal is changing 500 million times a second, the desired signal wouldn't reach the receiver.

To me, this would be the main concern we need to prove or disprove with artificial EM radiation. I have a few threads I want to pursue on other topics, but eventually I'd like dig more deeply into the subject. While it may not burn us or ionize us, it may have the ability to disrupt the normal biochemical signalling processes within our bodies.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

Even assuming it's completely safe from a physical health point of view, people are already neurotic and antisocial with 4G, imagine what will happen when it's even faster.

I really need to get my turnip farm running far away from this nonsense - and SamB, I forgot to answer on the Yang thread, but you're more than welcome to join when you need to escape the 5G zombies :razz:
 
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

ilostabet said:
Even assuming it's completely safe from a physical health point of view, people are already neurotic and antisocial with 4G, imagine what will happen when it's even faster.

I really need to get my turnip farm running far away from this nonsense - and SamB, I forgot to answer on the Yang thread, but you're more than welcome to join when you need to escape the 5G zombies :razz:

The social impact of 5g is hard to predict. For example it would allow Chinese government officials to follow the movements in real time of Chinese citizens anywhere in the world, and to interfere. Imagine reaching out to get a hot dog in Argentina and you hear your Cellphone squawk: "Don't eat that hot dog Guao Zing! If you do we'll put your wife in jail!"

Another example: no lag time means real time control of drones anywhere in the world from NSA headquarters in Washington DC.

Does anyone here understand the latency of 5g really well, enough to explain how this works?
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
RE: No escape from 5G radiation: 20,000 satellites will coat the world in 5G

MrLemon said:

The social impact of 5g is hard to predict. For example it would allow Chinese government officials to follow the movements in real time of Chinese citizens anywhere in the world, and to interfere. Imagine reaching out to get a hot dog in Argentina and you hear your Cellphone squawk: "Don't eat that hot dog Guao Zing! If you do we'll put your wife in jail!"

Another example: no lag time means real time control of drones anywhere in the world from NSA headquarters in Washington DC.

Does anyone here understand the latency of 5g really well, enough to explain how this works?

Why are you just talking about the chineese government brah. It's coming our way too. The US government spying program will be like never before.
 
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