The 9/11 Thread

scotian

Peacock
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RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

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That's an image of my city's airport on 9/11, Halifax is an important city for transatlantic flights, if anything goes wrong over the Atlantic en route to the US, Halifax is usually where they'll land the plane. In the case of 9/11, 40 planes landed there carry about 8000 passengers. It was a hectic time and the people of my city opened their doors to the stranded passengers in their time of need.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/...-hosted-8000-passengers-and-40-planes-on-9-11
 

brick tamland

Kingfisher
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

Pride male said:
I dont undertand why the elite needs false flags to go to war. Do they really need something as drastic as 9 11? Cant they just be like, 'we are going to fuck up Saddam because he is threatening our economic interests'? But that is democracy, you need people's consent.

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Consent. Yes.
 

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Pride male

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RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

I watched a youtube video about how 9 11 was a ritual sacrifice that coincided with the astrological sign Gemini in space. In Nigera last year on September 12 a building collapsed with people in it during a Pastor T B Joshua sermon.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

So who here likes the memorial and the new towers? I personally have never been and I only have youtube videos, news articles and pictures to go off.

If I visit NYC it would be a stopping point. Whats to do there apart from gawping at stuff?
 

Mercenary

Hummingbird
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

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What Donald Trump said on that day...



Video posted on youtube on 13 Sep 2016 with over 315,000 views today






Second video of the same thing posted on youtube 16 Sep 2016 with over 450,000 views today





Full transcript in case the videos are gone one day:



Alan Marcus:
Donald you’re probably the best-known builder particularly of great buildings in the city. There’s a great deal of question about whether or not the damage and and the ultimate destruction of the buildings was caused by the airplanes by architectural defect or possibly by bombs or after shocks you have any thoughts on that?

Donald Trump:
Well, it wasn’t an architectural defect. You know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very very strong building. Don’t forget that took a big bomb in the basement [back in 1993...see here]. Now, the basement is the most vulnerable place because that’s your foundation and it withstood that and I got to see that area about three or four days after it took place because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour because he did the building and I said “I can’t believe it”. The building was standing solid and half of the columns were blown out. So, this was an unbelievably powerful building. Uh, if you don’t know anything about structure it was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside. The steel, the reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows, you had the steel on the outside, you had the steel on the outside of the building.

That’s why when I first looked – and you had these big heavy i-beams. When I first looked at it, I couldn’t believe it, because there was a hole in the steel and this is steel that was...you remember the width of the windows of the World Trade Center folks ? I think you know if you were ever up there, they were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel. I said how could a plane, even a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been, how could it possibly go through this steel ? I happen to think that they had not only a plane but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously, cause I just can’t imagine anything being able to go through that wall. Most buildings are built with the steel on the inside around the elevator shaft. This one was built from the outside which is the strongest structure you can have and it was almost just like a, uh, a can of soup

Rolland Smith:
You know, Donald we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into building number two and when you see that approach the far side and all of a sudden within a matter of milliseconds the explosion pops out the other side.

Donald Trump:
Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. I think obviously they were very big planes. They were going very rapidly, because I was also watching where the plane seemed to be not only going fast it seems to be coming down into the building. So is getting the speed from going down hill so to speak. It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction is even more than a big plane because you’re talking about taking out steel, the heaviest caliber steel that was used on the building. These buildings were rock-solid and you know it’s just an amazing an amazing thing. This country is different today and it’s going to be different than it ever was for many years to come.

Rolland Smith:
A very profound statement and very true.
 

DarkTriad

Ostrich
Gold Member
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

Pride male said:
I dont undertand why the elite needs false flags to go to war. Do they really need something as drastic as 9 11? Cant they just be like, 'we are going to fuck up Saddam because he is threatening our economic interests'? But that is democracy, you need people's consent.

They discovered they needed something more concrete than "Domino Theory" and the Gulf of Tonkin farce. They needed a hit to the Homeland on the scale of Pearl Harbor to truly galvanize the American people. We would have been willing to pay the price to win Vietnam if they had given us this kind of bump, and they didn't want to take the chance on Vietnam again. Remember, the original plan was more than just Afghanistan and Iraq, they wanted a broad swath through the middle east.
 
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

I can say with certainty that slowly but surely 9/11 changed the trajectory of my life rather significantly. Amazing to think about how things were before then.
 

Paracelsus

Crow
Gold Member
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

It was night time in my part of the world when it happened. I got a call from my mother who said "America's at war!" I switched on the TV and there it was, all stations, same image: the towers with a great gaping hole out the side of one building and wreathed in smoke.

The next image I remember from the TV is as the second one came down. I didn't grasp the implications at the time, what I remember is that aerial at the top of one of the towers dropping, straight down, disappearing into the cloud of dust. It didn't seem entirely real, it was almost like watching a cartoon as the building dropped but that aerial went straight down into hell.

What brought it home was all the later footage that started to get replayed, beginning to end. In particular, the image Falling Man. There's something supremely awful about that photograph. Even now, 16 years later, something still twists in my gut when I look at that picture.

And a column from TLP from 2010 still stands crystal clear, and in some ways, chillingly prophetic. No, it's not about narcissism.

On September 11, 2001 I was nowhere doing nothing while 2000 people were dying almost simultaneously.

A week later we had the Anthrax attacks, which, like the 9/11 attacks, have never been solved. Whoever the Antraxer was, he did manage to infect one of the 9/11 hijackers, and so he stands as the only person to have at least injured one of the terrorists.

That was also when we got the text scroll at the bottom of CNN and the definitive end of actionable information from CNN.


This is something I wrote a few weeks after 9/11. It is what it is. A lot has happened since.



If the TV is any guide, 9/11 is a dramatic miniseries about two buildings collapsing on firefighters, with the premiere being brought to us commercial free. Gotta build an audience.

There's enormous coverage, but no news. None of this is news, it is drama, portraits of courage and sadness. Last phone calls between loved ones, "the last time I saw him was when...", "when I saw the first Tower fall I..."

And firefighters. Lots of firefighters. America wants its real life heroes unarmed and unthreatening.

Lots of sadness, but no anger. No one on TV is angry? The Towers didn't fall, they were kicked in the face. How many politicians do I have to watch cry on TV? STOP CRYING. I already know it's sad. Don't tell me we are resilient, don't tell me we'll go on, are there people worried they won't go on? Show me the country has some men in it, show me that we aren't five year olds.

But we are. Cry on TV and people will think you're sensitive, but bang a fist on the podium and you're unstable. "He can't control his emotions." What?

According to the TV, the real events of 9/11 happened not on the 95th floor, but on the ground floor. I've been looking in the wrong place.

People tell me that this coverage isn't about the terrorists, it's about the aftermath, the victims; that there are other shows about the terrorists.

Separating shows this way fosters a separation between the cause and the effect; we are focusing only on the effect, because it is very hard for us to get our heads around the cause. In doing this we are repackaging this event into a natural disaster. Something that we have no power over, no way to prevent, but something that must by necessity bring us together in our grief and our loss, and something that we must get past. No sense in describing why earthquakes happen, so let's delve into the victims' stories.

Observe that the media has unilaterally decided that no American will ever again see the
images of the planes being slammed into the Towers. "Come on, you've seen it enough times, nothing to be gained from that. Here's a firefighter."

I'm told anger serves no useful purpose. But sadness isn't going to prevent this from happening again, sadness isn't going to restructure the planet so that people don't want to do these things. You might say anger won't either, but I'll take my chances.

They say the hijackers were armed only with box cutters. If that's true, that tells me a lot about how they perceive Americans: they expected no resistance. Not even from the pilots. Would they have brought boxcutters to El-Al or Aeroflot hijacking?

When Timothy Mcveigh and Terry Nichols blew up the OK City Federal building, the media went right for the throat,it wasn't a natural disaster but an violent attack to which we immediately ascribed blame. And they were free to speculate: right wingers, militias, neo-nazis. But 9/11 is different, we don't know what to do with it so we do nothing with it. Say "they attacked us" and then off to the victims. You know the names of both OKC bombers, but you can't name one hijacker other than Mohammed Atta, who is the designated ringleader because his is the only name we can pronounce.

We don't even know what to call the attacks, so we call it by its date: "9/11." Just another day that we'll remember where we were when. "That was such a sad and scary day." Yeah.

"We are all Americans now," announced Le Monde, with no understanding at all. How can they sympathize with how we feel when we ourselves don't know what we feel? This attack happened because we're not all Americans, not even us Americans. Just a group of individuals now slowly distancing ourselves. "I mean, I sort of knew him, I'd seen him around and all, but we weren't close or anything..."

"We are all Americans" means to the writer at Le Monde: "we could be next." That's all he cares about. He's right on that count, I guess, dead right-- the next attack has to happen in a different country if it is to have global impact.

If Le Monde wanted accuracy, it would have announced that we are all skyscrapers now, each of us standing mightily and individually, who is taller? who is greater? Living in proximity but not in connection. Waiting to be knocked down.

And when it happens to someone, our explanations will really be about why it didn't happen to us: well, that skyscraper wasn't built right and that skyscraper was too tall, too proud. What happened to that skyscraper has nothing to do with me, I'm different, I'm better, and besides, why would anyone hate me?

Because you're a skyscraper, dummy.

When the towers fell and the pulverized remains of people who might have been your friends poured through the aerosolized into the streets of lower New York, what did you feel? Which did you blame, America or Israel? Oh, both. When someone asks you now about 9/11, do you answer "I am sad" or "I am angry"? Or do you externalize your answer and put it in the past tense, as if the emotion was something that came at you from the outside, "it was sad", or "I felt angry"? Are you not sad or angry anymore? How long did it take you to get over the worst attack on America in history? A day, a week? How long before "cooler heads prevailed"? Do you know people who you think "overreacted" to the slaughter of 3000 Americans? As others dance while the bodies are excavated in NYC, are you able to connect with the story? How do you dialogue? Maybe you should cope on this for a while, until your cooler heads prevail. Go shopping. Have a nap.


I don't want to cope. I want to see the videos of the planes being flown into the Towers. If we allow ourselves to choose the path of sadness, then nothing has been accomplished, everyone died for nothing. It will have been nothing more than an earthquake.

I don't want to get past this. Nor do I want it to get past me.
 

Geomann180

Ostrich
Catholic
Gold Member
RE: 9/11 Memorial Thread

My, how time flies. Eleven years later, I signed the dotted line.

Sixteen years later...the war on terror has no end in sight.

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I wouldn't be surprised if explosives were involved in bringing down the towers, but honestly the physics of 9/11 don't really matter. I am not talking about that particular documentary but as Ryan Dawson says, often times you get people who get too obsessed over the physics and come to ridiculous conclusions that just make everyone who talks about 9/11 truth look bad. The point is to focus more on the political implications like who orchestrated the event and who benefited from the result, which we know to be true, rather than spend time debating the physics of how it was done.
 
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