The abortion thread

carnaby

Sparrow
Other Christian
Yet apathetic about abortion. :hmm:

Being against abortion is not being lost in the world. Lost would be not caring about babies being killed because 'it's not my problem'.
I realize that I appear apathetic about abortion. However the fact is simply that I have given up the illusion of control. I am weak, God is strong.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
1. I was baptized into the ICOC in 2006 and left about 2 years ago as our spiritual paths parted ways. I am a Christian. Brick and mortar churches, with the apparent exception of the Orthodox churches, inevitably become corrupted. Not interested anymore.

2. Because you are arguing from your soul and not your spirit. The soul is feminine and easily swayed by emotion while the spirit is masculine. Not meant as an insult.

I am extremely right wing.

Because so many Christians are lost in the world. But then that is the nature of the crowd.
I notice you have have answered back on your controversial opinion here about 10 times, maybe more. You seem very passionate about not caring about this.

Are you hoping to convince us your position is right and get us to change our minds and stop caring about murdered babies?
 

carnaby

Sparrow
Other Christian
I notice you have have answered back on your controversial opinion here about 10 times, maybe more. You seem very passionate about not caring about this.

Are you hoping to convince us your position is right and get us to change our minds and stop caring about murdered babies?
Correct. Think with your brain and not with your heart. In spiritual terms, this amounts to following the spirit and not the soul.
 

carnaby

Sparrow
Other Christian
Correct. Think with your brain and not with your heart. In spiritual terms, this amounts to following the spirit and not the soul.
What I mean to say is that reference to "murdered babies" is a rhetorical argument based on emotion. I prefer dialectic. So if you please...
 

carnaby

Sparrow
Other Christian
And so? The world is fallen is it not? Could this possibly be a surprise to anyone?
On the original post, not only did they specifically choose a picture of Mary as a brown person, out of thousands of pictures on Jewgle, but they also brought up trannies as women who have a choice in having a kid. Top kek.

Also, are saying Mary would have been Caucasian? She almost certainly would have been some shade of brown.
 

Lazuli Waves

Kingfisher
What do you think are the most accurate statistics on abortion. I'm in the US but it could be anywhere. I've heard that 1/4 women have had an abortion. I've also heard that it's "common" which implies higher. I've wondered if many abortions are from the same women. I'm confused about how common it is, and if it's just you could go anywhere in the country and find roughly 1/4 of the women you're around will have had one.

I know some women have one because they're told it's OK by culture and then they regret it, or some have one because they are scared of having the child but then regret it. But sometimes I think about how I'm surrounded by baby murderers. I would feel strange if I worked in an office where 1/4 of the women or men had likely murdered an adult, or when I walk in the supermarket knowing 1/4 of the women or men had likely murdered an adult.

I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" and I know everyone has done bad things which are not my business, but it's more the seriousness of the act, it's commonality, and the laid-back or now even celebratory view of it as "female empowerment" in some cases which is troubling me.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
What do you think are the most accurate statistics on abortion. I'm in the US but it could be anywhere. I've heard that 1/4 women have had an abortion. I've also heard that it's "common" which implies higher. I've wondered if many abortions are from the same women. I'm confused about how common it is, and if it's just you could go anywhere in the country and find roughly 1/4 of the women you're around will have had one.

I know some women have one because they're told it's OK by culture and then they regret it, or some have one because they are scared of having the child but then regret it. But sometimes I think about how I'm surrounded by baby murderers. I would feel strange if I worked in an office where 1/4 of the women or men had likely murdered an adult, or when I walk in the supermarket knowing 1/4 of the women or men had likely murdered an adult.

I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" and I know everyone has done bad things which are not my business, but it's more the seriousness of the act, it's commonality, and the laid-back or now even celebratory view of it as "female empowerment" in some cases.
Well the stats are that about 1 in 5 conceptions is aborted in the US. In the Netherlands for example that's about 1 in 7. So if you extrapolate that to a long time period, it'd be not surprising if 1 in 4 women have had an abortion. In total you speak about roughly 1 million a year.


Other sources speak of roughly 600k a year, and for the US 1 in 6 pregnancies that is aborted.


Both sources tell that the majority age wise is aborted by women in their 20s, 50-60%. For teens, this is merely 10% or so.
 

Caractacus Potts

Woodpecker
Gold Member
We had a "working girl" one night who had a spontaneous abortion. Her medical history? Gravida - 6, Para -1. That means this woman had been pregnant six times yet only gave birth once. I think that the numbers can be skewed by women who has had mulitple abortions.
 

The Penitent Man

Pelican
Protestant

Democracy in action! On behalf of the electorate, South Carolina Supreme Court strikes down law passed by the duly elected state legislature and signed into law by the governor after the USSCt overturned Roe. The judgess who wrote the opinion says banning abortions when a heartbeat is detectable violates the sacred law of privacy, which is enshrined somewhere in the bowels of the Constitution. Because, as the Founders intended, dismembering a child awaiting its birthday is a private matter between the child and its mother.
 

rodion

Robin
Orthodox
What I mean to say is that reference to "murdered babies" is a rhetorical argument based on emotion. I prefer dialectic. So if you please...

What does that even mean? So because you might feel some emotions he’s automatically wrong and can be dismissed?

Is a child that has its life ended in the womb not a victim? Is consciously ending the life of another human being not murder?
 

carnaby

Sparrow
Other Christian
What does that even mean? So because you might feel some emotions he’s automatically wrong and can be dismissed?
I tend not to be persuaded by emotional arguments. Feeling emotions is fine but acting on them contrary to the truth and God's will is error.

Is a child that has its life ended in the womb not a victim? Is consciously ending the life of another human being not murder?
Why does victimhood matter? Everyone dies, and to not be born into such a world as this might be seen as mercy.
Murder is a crime that is defined by law. If the killing in question is legal, then it is not murder, by definition.
 

carnaby

Sparrow
Other Christian

Democracy in action! On behalf of the electorate, South Carolina Supreme Court strikes down law passed by the duly elected state legislature and signed into law by the governor after the USSCt overturned Roe. The judgess who wrote the opinion says banning abortions when a heartbeat is detectable violates the sacred law of privacy, which is enshrined somewhere in the bowels of the Constitution. Because, as the Founders intended, dismembering a child awaiting its birthday is a private matter between the child and its mother.
Is this any surprise? In the kingdom of darkness, of which the king is Satan, that its subjects would act contrary to God and reason? They are fools, and God shows them as such, there is no point in fighting such fools. They are not our enemy.

Neither they nor you are justified by the law:

Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Romans 4:14 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

The law, God's or ours, does not bring salvation, only wrath.
 
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