The abortion thread

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
RE: The abortion thread

Donbe said:
ilostabet said:
Tail Gunner said:
Eazy_E said:
Single women are most likely to have abortions. Single women are also most likely to raise felons, high school drop outs, arsonists, run aways, and behavior problem kids. Therefore, it's honestly better if she aborts the kid. Less future issues for LE, and less largesse for the government to pay out.

That is a super-ridiculous argument. For all we know, a single woman has already aborted a child prodigy who would have become a doctor who cured cancer.

Every child has the right to their life.

I hear this argument all the time and no one in their right mind would apply the same logic to anything else.

But we don't even need to follow logic on this, just the most basic conception of morality, that even if it could be proven to prevent some future evil (which it can't), killing a baby is, at the end of the day, killing a baby.

I can't see any problem big or grave enough that killing a baby might be the solution to it.

But we are distracted by so much propaganda and surrounded by so much technical marvel that it might as well be magic, and all of it designed to detach us from our humanity, to make us forget we have a divine nature, something more than flesh - and that utility, profit, benefit, should not be the ultimate concerns of a man made in God's image.

At what juncture in time does it become "killing a baby"?

I don't see a lot of biblical guidance on the question, but I'm open to conjecture.

There is no need for conjecture. God is very clear on the matter:

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Psalm 139:13-16


Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

Jeremiah 1:5
 
RE: The abortion thread

St. Basil the Great made it very clear that any and all abortion is wrong, and that we are not to concern ourselves with questions about how formed or unformed the fetus is. The Christian view of life is that it begins at conception.
 

Chiosboy90

Woodpecker
RE: The abortion thread

Women don't know what is good for them. We should teach women again that having a Baby, it's 120 times better, than typing numbers in excel and getting drunk every weekend but it won't happen outside of Islamic culture.

Im 100% sure that every single women that got an abortion, is devastated on the inside. Especially if she will have children at one point and she looks into the Baby eyes and thinks: "the child I aborted when I told myself I wasn't ready 5 years ago... did he/she have pain? Did I just kill the same human being that is looking right now at me?"

I just put my 2 month old to sleep and when I checked the new topics and read this thread, I honestly almost cried because just to think about abortion even if it's from some leftie whore make me sad. Poor little Baby. My body my choice, while you spill out your kids dead body outside of your vagina because you couldn't close your legs.

At this point I'm sometimes so blackpilled, the idea that Islam will soon conquer Europe is maybe a good idea. At least those men will put women back into their place.

We had last Saturday a Pro Life event in Switzerland. Organized by far right Christians (newspapers called it like that) mothers with Babys and Kids marched peacefully until lefties decided to throw stones and burn the City. Police had to use tear gas and stuff.

Some pictures:




While our Muslims are sitting at home having 5 kids, white people throw stones at other white people for not killing Babys.

As always.

Welcome to Europe
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
RE: The abortion thread


The biggest fence riders (men mostly, who know its wrong and can feel it) who think they have a oh so nuanced opinion "I'm anti abortion but pro choice", right so lets say you go down to the incubation/baby ward of a hospital at night, you stand there in the dark, unseen in the shadows, you watch as a mother who has just given birth that day stands above her baby's cot. Suddenly she produces a cadaver and is ready to strike the child dead.

You go to stop her...

But why?

Your pro choice after all. Why are you stopping her, go on just let it happen. Respect her choice. This is a private matter (that they wanted your public vote on)

No sane person is pro choice when it comes down to it.
 
RE: The abortion thread

Tail Gunner said:
Donbe said:
ilostabet said:
Tail Gunner said:
Eazy_E said:
Single women are most likely to have abortions. Single women are also most likely to raise felons, high school drop outs, arsonists, run aways, and behavior problem kids. Therefore, it's honestly better if she aborts the kid. Less future issues for LE, and less largesse for the government to pay out.

That is a super-ridiculous argument. For all we know, a single woman has already aborted a child prodigy who would have become a doctor who cured cancer.

Every child has the right to their life.

I hear this argument all the time and no one in their right mind would apply the same logic to anything else.

But we don't even need to follow logic on this, just the most basic conception of morality, that even if it could be proven to prevent some future evil (which it can't), killing a baby is, at the end of the day, killing a baby.

I can't see any problem big or grave enough that killing a baby might be the solution to it.

But we are distracted by so much propaganda and surrounded by so much technical marvel that it might as well be magic, and all of it designed to detach us from our humanity, to make us forget we have a divine nature, something more than flesh - and that utility, profit, benefit, should not be the ultimate concerns of a man made in God's image.

At what juncture in time does it become "killing a baby"?

I don't see a lot of biblical guidance on the question, but I'm open to conjecture.

There is no need for conjecture. God is very clear on the matter:

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Psalm 139:13-16


Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

Jeremiah 1:5

I see some issues with using this one as a prohibition on abortion.

1) Yes, of course he knows. He knew well before we were formed in the womb, for that matter. Does that mean we should try to ensure we go through the very specific chain of events we assume he predicted for us, lest we murder our future descendants by inadvertently deviating from the plan?

2) Catholics use this one to condemn all birth control. If you take it as a prohibition on abortion, I think that's a logical step. Protestants strike me as inconsistent on this measure.

3) I'm getting creative, but something else that has occurred to me: Protestants generally assume that the souls of the aborted go to heaven. In that event, abortion makes sense for a parent who is willing to sacrifice for their child; it might be a sin on their part, but they're ensuring a favorable outcome for their child's eternity, rather than taking the risk that they might fall away in life.

Catholics might counter that they go instead to "limbo." I'm not familiar with much basis for that belief; it seems like something the Catholic Church has promoted to counter the observation above.

I tend to believe a soul is involved at some point in the latter stages of pregnancy, but I'm not impressed by the general lack of intellectual curiosity in the issue. Too much blind rage and not enough interest in pursuing truth.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
RE: The abortion thread

Donbe said:
Tail Gunner said:
Donbe said:
ilostabet said:
Tail Gunner said:
That is a super-ridiculous argument. For all we know, a single woman has already aborted a child prodigy who would have become a doctor who cured cancer.

Every child has the right to their life.

I hear this argument all the time and no one in their right mind would apply the same logic to anything else.

But we don't even need to follow logic on this, just the most basic conception of morality, that even if it could be proven to prevent some future evil (which it can't), killing a baby is, at the end of the day, killing a baby.

I can't see any problem big or grave enough that killing a baby might be the solution to it.

But we are distracted by so much propaganda and surrounded by so much technical marvel that it might as well be magic, and all of it designed to detach us from our humanity, to make us forget we have a divine nature, something more than flesh - and that utility, profit, benefit, should not be the ultimate concerns of a man made in God's image.

At what juncture in time does it become "killing a baby"?

I don't see a lot of biblical guidance on the question, but I'm open to conjecture.

There is no need for conjecture. God is very clear on the matter:

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Psalm 139:13-16


Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

Jeremiah 1:5

I see some issues with using this one as a prohibition on abortion.

1) Yes, of course he knows. He knew well before we were formed in the womb, for that matter. Does that mean we should try to ensure we go through the very specific chain of events we assume he predicted for us, lest we murder our future descendants by inadvertently deviating from the plan?

2) Catholics use this one to condemn all birth control. If you take it as a prohibition on abortion, I think that's a logical step. Protestants strike me as inconsistent on this measure.

3) I'm getting creative, but something else that has occurred to me: Protestants generally assume that the souls of the aborted go to heaven. In that event, abortion makes sense for a parent who is willing to sacrifice for their child; it might be a sin on their part, but they're ensuring a favorable outcome for their child's eternity, rather than taking the risk that they might fall away in life.

Catholics might counter that they go instead to "limbo." I'm not familiar with much basis for that belief; it seems like something the Catholic Church has promoted to counter the observation above.

I tend to believe a soul is involved at some point in the latter stages of pregnancy, but I'm not impressed by the general lack of intellectual curiosity in the issue. Too much blind rage and not enough interest in pursuing truth.

1) You stated: "I don't see a lot of biblical guidance on the question" regarding when a baby becomes human.

2) I provided the exact Bible references that answer this question, establishing that God sees an "unformed body" of a baby as a person.

3) You responded: 'Too much blind rage and not enough interest in pursuing truth."

So I presented the truth regarding your original query and then, after the truth is presented to you, you ignored it and then arbitrarily claimed that there is "not enough interest in pursuing truth."

You are correct that there is "not enough interest in pursuing truth." And it comes from you.
 
RE: The abortion thread

I have to disagree with ilostabet on his point that we have a “divine nature”. This sounds like the “life is precious” argument. Im not a misanthrope by any means, but I do believe humans have a tendency to bullshit themselves a lot. Life is not precious. You’re born, you live 70-80 years if you’re lucky and then you die. You’ll work your ass off and be miserable at some corporate gig for the duration of that period. Again, nothing “precious”.

At Tail Gunner’s assertion that “every child has a right to their life”. First of all, despite what the Constitution or the Bible or the fucking Bill of rights may say, no one has any “rights”. It’s a made-up term. As we’ve seen in America over the last few decades, “rights” can be easily taken away, and if they can be taken away, then they aren’t really rights in the first place.

A lot of guys here are operating from the Biblical point of view. Which is cool, I don’t want to insult anyone on here. But there are people who believe the Bible is written by regular men and it’s mostly a work of fiction.
 

Mage

 
RE: The abortion thread

^ Tiger mandingo

I am not operating from a Biblical point of view and I think abortion is an obvious murder.

Who is more willfully blind - the people who believe that the historically and scientifically debunked and contradictory book with many errors and excuses to slavery and violence called Bible is true word of God or people who believe there is difference to killing a human being depending on whether he is located on a female womb or not and believe it is a casual thing when human being is in womb and the greatest atrocity while he is out. I cannot say. I believe both are willful morons. So sad that in these dark times 99% of humans are morons in either one way or another.

It's almost like in these insane times and in this insane environment we have built for ourselves a human must choose an insanity to believe in... to avoid going insane. Or maybe to avoid going sane? Fearing going sane would make him insane?
 

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
Women share why their abortion was ‘beautiful’ in horrifying, cold-blooded accounts

In my ten years of pro-life activism, one of the most common tropes I have heard from abortion supporters is that nobody likes abortion.

Pro-life activists, we are often told reproachfully, are simply making people who already feel terrible about a very difficult decision even worse. In short: Everybody knows that abortion is terrible, and there is no reason for pro-lifers to expend so much energy attempting to explain to people why it is terrible.


That is certainly true for many people that we meet. Many women—and men—feel awful about the abortions they have endured or procured, and there are certainly many women who feel that abortion was simply one awful choice in a series of equally terrible options. Abortion regret is very real, and often very raw. I have seen more people than I can count break down as they recounted their experience and mourned their lost little ones.

But over the past two decades, the abortion movement has begun to shift. No longer do they say that abortion is a necessary evil, but an unqualified good. Abortion has always been viewed by progressives as a tool of liberation, but many of them did not dare celebrate it for fear of appearing ghoulish. Those reservations have vanished, and #ShoutYourAbortion campaigns and defiant, you-go-girl testimonials have taken their place. Even I was taken aback when I attended the 2017 Women’s March as a journalist and saw one of the speakers mount the stage wearing a sweater with the phrase “I [heart] Abortion” all over it.

All of which brings me to a truly vile article published by Rewire News, a pro-choice media website that covers abortion almost exclusively. In response to a recent article titled “Abortion Isn’t Beautiful,” writer Paige Alexandria penned a rebuttal: “5 People Share Why Their Abortion Was Beautiful,” beginning with a testimonial from 31-year-old Caitlin Lejarzar-Gaffin of West Virginia. “If I made a list of things in my life that were beautiful,” Lejarzar-Gaffin wrote, “things that were truly and utterly full of gorgeous light and warmth and love—it would include my bisabuela’s home-cooking, the West Virginia valleys and mountains I call home, and both of my abortions.”

She described the destruction of her two pre-born children this way:

My first abortion was a medical abortion. I was nervous about the process, but the clinic staff were kind and supportive and let me take my time. I took some pills at the clinic, and brought more pills home. I cuddled up with blankets and a cat on the couch, and watched music documentaries while waiting for the second round of pills to work. They did! I passed a small amount of blood and tissue into the toilet. I felt so relieved. It was beautiful.

My second abortion was a procedural abortion.
I remember drifting off to sleep in the feet-holders, and then waking up once it was over. I didn’t feel any of it. The clinic staff gave me soda to drink and let me rest for a bit. I remember walking out of the clinic and into the sunshine, feeling elated and relieved once more. I felt overwhelmingly free. It was beautiful.

My abortions brought me joy and relief and sanity when I needed it most. They allowed me to be myself and direct what happens within my own body and life. I think back on my abortions and related experiences with deep fondness and appreciation. My abortions were beautiful. Abortion is beautiful.


It is genuinely difficult to know how to respond to such a cold-blooded recounting of such a horrifying act. I have held aborted children—one almost perfectly formed, another utterly shredded by the suction aspirator of the abortionist—and those scenes are irrevocably seared into my memory. These were the broken children of a broken society, and the only tragically beautiful element of it all was the still-discernible features of the babies that offered the faintest glimpse of what they looked like before they had been pulled to pieces.

Another young woman, 23-year-old Jordyn Close of Ohio, also spoke of her abortion as “an incredibly empowering and beautiful experience, while 25-year-old Holly Bland of Wisconsin noted that the decision to have an abortion “wasn’t a difficult one…and it was a beautiful one.” Not all abortions are beautiful, she stated, but “mine was.” She now shares her story publicly so that people can know that “abortion can still be beautiful.” The other stories are in a similar vein. One mother writes that she and her husband opted for abortion because they discovered that their child had Trisomy 13. A fifth noted that having the option of getting an abortion was what made her experience beautiful.

What can one offer by way of response to these assertions that abortion is beautiful? There are many things I could say, but perhaps the most effective rebuttal is to listen to how abortionists describe the procedure.

Dr. Anthony Levatino, for example, described abortion this way: “The toughest part of a D&E abortion is extracting the baby's head. The head of a baby that age is about the size of a large plum and is now free floating inside the uterine cavity. You can be pretty sure you have hold of it if the Sopher clamp is spread about as far as your fingers will allow. You will know you have it right when you crush down on the clamp and see white gelatinous material coming through the cervix. That was the baby's brains. You can then extract the skull pieces. Many times a little face will come out and stare back at you.”

Or consider the testimony of Dr. Ed Jones, who worked as an abortionist at Planned Parenthood: “This can burn you out very, very quickly...not so much by the physical labor as the emotional part of what’s going on. When you do an ultrasound, particularly if you have children, and you see a fetus there, kicking, moving, living, doing things that your own child does, bringing it’s thumb to its mouth, and things like that—it’s difficult. Then, after the procedure, sometimes we have to actually look at the specimen, and you see arms and legs and things like that torn off...It does take an emotional toll.”

Dr. “G,” an abortionist, described his work this way: “This was a perfect little fetus inside, and now it no longer is. I try not to focus on that too much...it is upsetting, and it’s embarrassing as well. I always feel uncomfortable if other people are watching me do this. I don’t like to expose them to this, well, carnage....because all it does is upset them.”

Or abortion clinic nurse Sally Tisdale, who described the impact of her work in an essay titled “We Do Abortions Here”: “I have fetus dreams, we all do here: dreams of abortions one after the other; of buckets of blood splashed on the walls; trees full of crawling fetuses. I dreamed that two men grabbed me and began to drag me away, ‘Let’s do an abortion,’ they said with a sickening leer, and I began to scream, plunged into a vision of sucking, scraping pain, of being spread and torn by impartial instruments that do only what they are bidden.”

I could go on. There are hundreds of testimonies just like that, from the men and women who have witnessed abortion first-hand. Their recounting of what goes on within the abortion industry tells a story of demonic darkness, dead children, and desperate evil.

None of this is beautiful.

If it was possible to define the opposite of beauty, surely what those men and women describe must be close: The beautiful face of a perfect child, sliced cruelly from her skull. The beautiful fingers and toes of a tiny baby, torn free of his body. The beautiful eyes of an infant, jarred free from her head during the violent decapitation that killed her.

Abortion is not beautiful, and the abortion industry is a hellhole where beauty goes to die. No, worse—it is where beauty is murdered.


 

bucky

Ostrich
RE: The abortion thread



That is a super-ridiculous argument. For all we know, a single woman has already aborted a child prodigy who would have become a doctor who cured cancer.

Every child has the right to their life.

Every pro-abortion argument is easily refuted with "yeah, but you're still murdering a baby." Works every time.
 
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brando

Sparrow
Life begins at conception, regardless of what these harpies think. Ask any former pussy hatting feminist who just past 40 and now is dreaming of being an actual mother the value she would put on a group of dividing cells in her dried corroded uterus. I assure you the difference in her appraisal now would be astronomically different than when she was in her 20s.

Abortion as contraception is the modern ritualistic sacrifice of babies to fuel a hedonistic and degenerate society.
 

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member


An explosive new video from the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) contradicts past claims from Planned Parenthood that the corporation never participated in the sale of aborted baby body parts but merely donated them and was compensated for expenses. Featuring testimony from Planned Parenthood officials under oath in 2019, as well as documents from those officials’ admissions, the video shows these executives and directors admitting to actually selling body parts, which is illegal.

Numerous depositions are featured in the video, including from Tram Nguyen (Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast’s Senior Director of Abortion Access), Dr. Dorothy Furgerson (Chief Medical Officer of Planned Parenthood Mar Monte), and Dr. Deborah Nucatola, the former senior director of medical services for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, among others. More testimony and documents are available on the CMP website.

After CMP’s undercover videos were released, Planned Parenthood retaliated with a bogus lawsuit, while its political allies in California pressed charges against David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt, the journalists who exposed Planned Parenthood’s illegal behavior. Planned Parenthood publicly went on the attack, claiming the videos were doctored and heavily edited (an accusation that was disproven by forensic analyses) and claiming they never broke any laws regarding the trafficking of aborted body parts. But this newly released video shows otherwise.

Featured in the video are email contracts sent to Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. While publicly, Planned Parenthood told the New York Times they turned the deal down, in video testimony of her deposition under oath, Tram Nguyen is seen admitting in that she actually intended to move forward with the financial arrangement.

This video also disputes the argument that money received was nothing more than reimbursement for costs sustained by Planned Parenthood. Testimony revealed that payment was only made to Planned Parenthood if StemExpress was able to obtain “usable” body parts from one of its abortion centers — meaning Planned Parenthood deceived the public when it claimed it only collected reimbursements for employees’ time and costs. While the law allows for reimbursements of specific costs when donating fetal organs, those reimbursements must meet specific guidelines; they must be fees associated with transportation, processing, and other such costs. Planned Parenthood did none of these things, yet they collected money when they provided StemExpress with marketable body parts.

During some of the featured testimony in the video, an attorney can be heard in the background repeatedly instructing her client not to answer when asked how much money Planned Parenthood may have received from selling the body parts of aborted children. Yet invoices showed some Planned Parenthood centers receiving upwards of $10,000 in a single month, lending credence to StemExpress’ advertised promises of “financial benefit” and “fiscal reward” for abortion facilities.

Other documents showed that top level executives at Planned Parenthood’s national headquarters were aware of the body parts sales. Deborah Nucatola, an abortionist herself, admitted under oath that she knew Planned Parenthood Los Angeles was receiving payments for body parts yet claimed she never bothered to ensure everything was taking place legally. Nucatola is the abortionist seen in CMP’s first video discussing over wine and salad how she illegally altered abortion procedures to better harvest body parts. Dr. Mary Gatter was also featured in the under-oath testimony, and was previously caught undercover haggling over prices for aborted body parts, infamously stating, “I want a Lamborghini.” In her deposition, Gatter admitted to setting up a business arrangement with the now-closed, for-profit fetal tissue harvesting firm Novogenix.

StemExpress and Advanced Bioscience Resources (ABR) are still in operation, and ABR is still working with Planned Parenthood of the Pacific Southwest to obtain aborted body parts for researchers. And while Planned Parenthood officials admit to wrongdoing under oath, the journalists who uncovered their illegal behavior remain under investigation by authorities—allowing Planned Parenthood to continue its scheme with no repercussions.

In a press release, David Daleiden, project lead for CMP, called for action. “The time has come for federal consequences for Planned Parenthood,” he said. “Planned Parenthood lied to the public and to Congress, but now there is no longer any reasonable doubt that Planned Parenthood sold fetal body parts, commodifying living children in the womb and treating pregnant women like a cash crop. The U.S. Department of Justice must escalate the enforcement of laws against fetal trafficking to the highest level of priority.”

 

kel

Pelican
At 12:45 the Senior Director of "Medical Services" with her problematic glasses takes a swig of La Croix before going into her "Okay, number one..." non-response abdicating any responsibility and it's peak fucking liberalism.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I watched the film "Unplanned" a few days ago, which is a true story about an abortion clinic director who has a crisis of conscience, leaves her position with Planned Parenthood as an abortion clinic director, and discloses the horrors of abortion. It is a powerful and moving film.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
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Wife was catching up with an old friend today, who told her that one of their mutual "friends" was having an abortion. My wife hasn't spoken with this woman for years, as she's long been coming to this. She's a postdoctoral researcher, always taking time out of her busy academic life to offer her "scientific" advice on climate change (she's a biologist) to leftist rags, wine and dine with leftist (state) politicians, and attend every leftist protest/riot in the continental United States.

She has decided to murder her child because it would "interfere" with her career. Naturally, her husband, who's as much of a raging leftist as she, is absolutely devastated. Of course, he supports her (like a good male feminist), but he's crushed, somehow failing to see that such would be the fruit of his union.

Don't really know what to say, other than that. So many women today are capable of great evil. Don't really know what to do, other than to pray.
 
My theories regarding the true motive(s) of any 'man' that supports abortion; "support" being defined as anything other than 100% condemnation of this disgusting act of child sacrifice:

-They don't want to pay child support.
-They want to eliminate future mating rivals (if the aborted baby was a male).
-They want the adult female to come back into full 'heat' again as quickly as possible.
-They don't care about "women's rights", when the women are under the age of consent (if the aborted baby was a female).
-They feel that if they're known as a man that supports "Pro-Choice", that reputation will get them laid (more) by a current, or prospective (future), female partner(s).

Do not be mislead by the clever use of "modern phraseology" to disguise truth:
"Pro-Choice" = ANTI-LIFE
2 Corinthians 11:14

'Men' that support abortion in any capacity are just thinking with their dicks; nothing but misogynists who want sexual gratification at all costs - there are no exceptions to this rule.*

*Caveat: Mother about to die giving birth (save the child, or save the mother); there is no right or wrong answer in this case.
 
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tomtud

Pelican
(Sarcastic) I wonder if the BLM types will hit planned parenthood. Better yet, make Hillary and Obama issue apologies. I highly doubt it.
 

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