The Afghanistan Conflict Thread

[Easy_C]

Maybe.

But all this China worship is stupid.

Before rushing to get aroused to how great the Chinese are, you who reading this should stop and think about what they would to do to you simply for being Orthodox Catholic.

In China, they’re closing churches, jailing pastors – and even rewriting scripture

China’s Communist party is intensifying religious persecution as Christianity’s popularity grows. A new state translation of the Bible will establish a ‘correct understanding’ of the text

www.theguardian.com

 

[infowarrior1]

Maybe.

But all this China worship is stupid.

Before rushing to get aroused to how great the Chinese are, you who reading this should stop and think about what they would to do to you simply for being Orthodox Catholic.

In China, they’re closing churches, jailing pastors – and even rewriting scripture

China’s Communist party is intensifying religious persecution as Christianity’s popularity grows. A new state translation of the Bible will establish a ‘correct understanding’ of the text

www.theguardian.com

I'd think the Communist Party may even attempt to rewrite the Church Fathers and every pillar of Church Tradition if they could.

It's like the contest between National Socialists and Communists. Neither side deserves worship. The Eastern theatre of the WWII between those 2 powers is Villains vs Villains with many innocent people in between forced to fight for evil in many cases.

 

[BarrontheTigercat]

CCP villainy is at least not so hostile to their subject peoples as the Western Elites.

In this manner they are less bad.

Actually the West is only beginning to catch up to the CCP in terms of oppressing people, it still has a long way to go though.

The CCP is way worse.
One day the most popular American TV series will be a Reality TV show of a smug, ambitious Democrat party-media woman interviewing people who are about to be executed by the State: trying to get them to confess that the state is all knowing and superior to them whilst taunting them with their fate.
I'm sure all the Libs and BLM types will celebrate it. The death penalty will have been expanded to apply to fully 55 different crimes. And by that stage we will all no longer be able to post on forums like this one.

Sounds like some sort of nightmare from a RoboCop or Running Man movie, right?

That series topped the ratings in China. 100 million viewers in one province alone.

(But I stand corrected.
If American Idol was at the same time No. 1 Stateside getting 17 million viewers, then of course ..
simples, it is *because* ZOG media is decadent, subversive garbage that - automatically - the CCP are less hostile and therefore less oppressive to their subject populations than the US govt is. Silly Chinese people. )

 

[Easy_C]

I’d raise another point:

If you think “everything that isn’t ZOG must be good!”, then consider the way that until very recently “ZOG” and it’s surrogates frequently praised the Chinese system as the model that they aspire to.

Literally the end goal of ZOG is to turn us into a Western version of CCP-ruled China.

 

[911]

Well only if you factor in that the CCP has a better control over thier subject people and that the social credit score is in full effect there compared to the US where there is still a large amount of freedom and even internet groups like this where you can express yourself in person and on the internet.

Currently the USA isnt having WE-Chat persecution to the same degree as in china where messages about the WU FLU were used to perecute and unperson a doctor who was triying to expose it.

Just a little dose of realism and perspective considering the comparison. However I might say that in the case of Australia you might be more accurate... but in the US not really.

You don't think doctors are persecuted and unpersoned in the US?



China's medical establishment isn't deliberately trying to withhold unprofitable health treatments and drugs from their people.

Chinese studies on fluoride have determined that this substance is a neurotoxin that reduces the IQ of their children, so their government actually removes fluoride from their drinking water, while in the US, Canada and UK that poison (which also has a sedative effect, attacking the spinal gland) is added to the water. The CDC claims that the American water fluoridation program is one of the greatest medical triumphs of all time, instead of the deliberate poisoning program it really is...



The CCP is vastly more benign than your Gates, Faucis and big pharma honchos who are downright psychotic and scheme for the control and destruction of the people they rule. While the Chinese were very heavy-handed early on in the pandemic, everything they have done was truly for the public good. They locked down selectively and in response to local outbreaks, which they monitored through means like the testing of used waters at the city block level, methods which were very rarely applied in the West.

However, in the West, the lockdowns were highly arbitrary and inefficient, if not counterproductive (from a health perspective), clearly put in place in order to control the people and crush the local economies. The CCP also loves the control, but they never deliberately try to crush their economy, to the contrary. Even in Xinjiang, they go out of their way to build up a modern infrastructure there, as in the rest of their country.

China was also the first country to develop the HCQ regime, Dr Raoult applied their regiment, cure which the Chinese doctors readily communicated to those who like Raoult cared to listen and were strong enough to cut through Big Pharma's firewall.

As far as censorship, you have to be blind to not see the scale and shear audacity of the current big tech shutdown, they've actually stolen the elections and shut down medical truthers. While the US still isn't as bad as the other 5 eyes or western Europe in terms of covid repression, it is worse in terms of cultural marxism and the vilification of the faith and culture of Heritage Americans. You can diss the CCP all you want, but you can certainly not accuse them of undermining their own cultural heritage, they are truly a strong nationalist party that not only instills pride in their cultural heritage, but also provides an incredible level of economic development for their people. That is why Xi's popularity in China is in the 90% range, while the popularity of every western government is typically three times lower or more.

This is the basic truth about China that people like Chris Chappell will never address.

 

[Easy_C]

As far as censorship, you have to be blind to not see the scale and shear audacity of the current big tech shutdown, they've actually stolen the elections and shut down medical truthers

Yes, and much of that was designed by means of imitating China’s systems.

Nobody here is saying the straw man you’re attacking because nobody here is saying “These things aren’t happen in the US”.

What we are saying is that living in China isn’t going to be an improvement.

Let me put it this way: if, in China, you made the past few posts as here equally critical of their government you would probably be dead right now.

 

[Easy_C]

You can diss the CCP all you want, but you can certainly not accuse them of undermining their own cultural heritage,

Yes, you can because they succeeded in doing that. They literally destroyed China’s entire cultural heritage during the cultural revolution. What you call “cultural heritage” is a CCP manufactured zombie of actual Chinese cultural heritage.

The reason why you don’t see the equivalent to “vilification of the heritage Americans” in China is because in China their version of “heritage American” were all either killed, exiled, or forced to submit decades ago. Many of them met their ends being horrifically tortured to death.

So spare me that “China doesn’t do these things so they’re not as bad as ZOG”. They don’t do it now because they already finished doing those things.

 

[Garuda]

Vandals hit a memorial to the thirteen soldiers killed during the withdrawal.


The state department isn't allowing anyone to perform their own rescue missions.

 

[911]

Let me put it this way: if, in China, you made the past few posts as here equally critical of their government you would probably be dead right now.

No, I wouldn't be dead, that's more like a Bolshevik move. If I dissed the CCP online I would instead get an abysmal social credit score, which would not allow me to travel by train or plane, which incidently I can't do today as an unvaxed renegade in this country. But in China even with a terrible credit score I might still be able to go to a local restaurant or bar, unlike here...

In 2021 you might still have more freedoms in China as a political renegade than as an unvaccinated person in Canada, France or many other other western countries. And in China today they don't club unvaccinated shoppers like baby seals the way they do in large swaths of the "free world".

 

[infowarrior1]

I’d raise another point:

If you think “everything that isn’t ZOG must be good!”, then consider the way that until very recently “ZOG” and it’s surrogates frequently praised the Chinese system as the model that they aspire to.

Literally the end goal of ZOG is to turn us into a Western version of CCP-ruled China.

I suppose they are big fans of Han Fei and Shang Yang who developed the durable Imperial system of Legalism:

Chinese Legalism 法 家 經 典 文 學

Chinese legalism.

www.worldfuturefund.org

I think that's the model they are seeking to copy. But compared to CCP their push for degeneracy and murder in the womb in addition to that is worse.

At least right now.

 

[BarrontheTigercat]

Yes, and much of that was designed by means of imitating China’s systems.

Nobody here is saying the straw man you’re attacking because nobody here is saying “These things aren’t happen in the US”.

What we are saying is that living in China isn’t going to be an improvement.

Let me put it this way: if, in China, you made the past few posts as here equally critical of their government you would probably be dead right now.

No. Not dead.

7.5 years starting today. I've seen it happen.
Then the mining of message boards and online communications. Sentence increases exponentially.

Anarcho tyranny.
Child of the party that likes drag racing Lambos around Beijing? Lots of secret handshakes get made.
A humble RVF prole? Say goodbye to loved ones, think of them in your cell.

You're right about the Chinese Culture issue. Its depressing to see the hollowed out garbage - its just a reminder of the apocalypse they wreaked.
Like listening to an SJW gender studies professor talking about how beautiful downtown Portland is now. The same chutzpah.

ZOG wants to copy a QR code, chipped and pinned prison planet hellscape. It might be an overblown caricature existing only in their own minds... But its what ZOG 'admires' when they think of China: the Foxconn suicides made them feel warm inside - I actually have that from the horse's mouth.

@911 I don't like to argue with you because I respect your perspectives on many issues.
However..
Every paragraph you just posted contained falsehoods. The reason I know in some cases? Because of things I saw with my own two eyes.
The Chinese lockdowns were nothing like what they presented to outsiders.
The CCP just puts out propaganda that's full of lies.

Time spent living in the PRC, as well as Hong Kong and Taiwan by way of contrast, is a necessary corrective.
Its not about "what-aboutism". Its not about internet "knowledge".
Its about familiarity.
Its about on the ground experience.

 

[get2choppaaa]

You don't think doctors are persecuted and unpersoned in the US?

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China's medical establishment isn't deliberately trying to withhold unprofitable health treatments and drugs from their people.

Chinese studies on fluoride have determined that this substance is a neurotoxin that reduces the IQ of their children, so their government actually removes fluoride from their drinking water, while in the US, Canada and UK that poison (which also has a sedative effect, attacking the spinal gland) is added to the water. The CDC claims that the American water fluoridation program is one of the greatest medical triumphs of all time, instead of the deliberate poisoning program it really is...

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The CCP is vastly more benign than your Gates, Faucis and big pharma honchos who are downright psychotic and scheme for the control and destruction of the people they rule. While the Chinese were very heavy-handed early on in the pandemic, everything they have done was truly for the public good. They locked down selectively and in response to local outbreaks, which they monitored through means like the testing of used waters at the city block level, methods which were very rarely applied in the West.

However, in the West, the lockdowns were highly arbitrary and inefficient, if not counterproductive (from a health perspective), clearly put in place in order to control the people and crush the local economies. The CCP also loves the control, but they never deliberately try to crush their economy, to the contrary. Even in Xinjiang, they go out of their way to build up a modern infrastructure there, as in the rest of their country.

China was also the first country to develop the HCQ regime, Dr Raoult applied their regiment, cure which the Chinese doctors readily communicated to those who like Raoult cared to listen and were strong enough to cut through Big Pharma's firewall.

As far as censorship, you have to be blind to not see the scale and shear audacity of the current big tech shutdown, they've actually stolen the elections and shut down medical truthers. While the US still isn't as bad as the other 5 eyes or western Europe in terms of covid repression, it is worse in terms of cultural marxism and the vilification of the faith and culture of Heritage Americans. You can diss the CCP all you want, but you can certainly not accuse them of undermining their own cultural heritage, they are truly a strong nationalist party that not only instills pride in their cultural heritage, but also provides an incredible level of economic development for their people. That is why Xi's popularity in China is in the 90% range, while the popularity of every western government is typically three times lower or more.

This is the basic truth about China that people like Chris Chappell will never address.

I agree there is censorship in the USA for doctors. ZERO DOUBT. But comparing the two isn't even in the same ball park.

"While the Chinese were very heavy-handed early on in the pandemic, everything they have done was truly for the public good. They locked down selectively and in response to local outbreaks, which they monitored through means like the testing of used waters at the city block level, methods which were very rarely applied in the West."

They also barricaded whole apartment buildings shut. You can find footage of this online. If you are seriously suggesting that the CCP and their approach is better/more acceptable ect than what is going on in the US you're delusional and don't have knowledge of their cultural revolution and what has permeated their society since then.

Lots of CCP worship on here from you, and others, whom I usually respect. But you're grossly wrong on this and either speaking from a contrarian point of view to point out of view to point out your issues with the GAE or you're just ignorant and don't have any experience on what you're speaking.

 

[911]

Yes, you can because they succeeded in doing that. They literally destroyed China’s entire cultural heritage during the cultural revolution. What you call “cultural heritage” is a CCP manufactured zombie of actual Chinese cultural heritage.

The reason why you don’t see the equivalent to “vilification of the heritage Americans” in China is because in China their version of “heritage American” were all either killed, exiled, or forced to submit decades ago. Many of them met their ends being horrifically tortured to death.

So spare me that “China doesn’t do these things so they’re not as bad as ZOG”. They don’t do it now because they already finished doing those things.

China survived their 1960s Cultural Revolution, and has since turned 180 degrees in the other direction. Today it is the West that is undergoing baizuo cultural revolution. Today's CCP has nothing in common with the Gang of Four's reign of terror Party. Xi himself is a victim of the cultural revolution, the CCP sent him to a labor camp as a teenager, they threw his father in jail for 17 years, and had his sister killed. Xi's family was blackballed because he was from an upper class/traditional background.

The CCP though didn't actually cull their upper classes like the Bolsheviks did, they mostly crushed them politically. Most of the deaths under Mao were in rural areas where their "kulaks" as well as their more modest peasants both perished by the millions, but in a population of their size the demographic impact wasn't as drastic as it was in Soviet Russia. The Bolsheviks literally erased the top third of Russian Christians, much of their aristocracy, clergy and bourgeoisie was genocided. Putin recently underscored this, stating in an interview that without the Bolsheviks Russia would have had a population of 500 million people.

In China however the upper classes that were politically suppressed under Mao have risen back to the top under Deng, and Xi, who is one of them, is their strong leader today. China has proven to be more resilient as a people and culture because they have had a 5,000 year history.

 

[MilvianForce]

CCP can suck it. I don’t trust them as much as I trust the “powers” working away in the west to destroy all that we hold dear.

I laugh when someone says they can be a political dissident in China and all it would cost them is a social credit score. No, you’ll be thrown into a jail cell if not that then you’ll “dissapear” for a bit and resurface with warm fuzzy feelings for the top dogs and their rules and regulations.

Lord have mercy, what I’m seeing and reading here is “I’m going to pick the lesser of the two evils for now”. Take that attitude somewhere else and cope on Reddit. This forum redpilled me and others from the times it talked about women up until now. Let’s keep it that way gentlemen and ladies.

Now, let’s get back to the topic of Afghanistan. So how about them evacuation flights? BRB let’s load cargo planes full of “refugees” and leave actual citizens in the ground. The things countries do for some good PR. So sad.

 

[PolishCalifornian]

China survived their 1960s Cultural Revolution, and has since turned 180 degrees in the other direction. Today it is the West that is undergoing baizuo cultural revolution. Today's CCP has nothing in common with the Gang of Four's reign of terror Party. Xi himself is a victim of the cultural revolution, the CCP sent him to a labor camp as a teenager, they threw his father in jail for 17 years, and had his sister killed. Xi's family was blackballed because he was from an upper class/traditional background.

The CCP though didn't actually cull their upper classes like the Bolsheviks did, they mostly crushed them politically. Most of the deaths under Mao were in rural areas where their "kulaks" as well as their more modest peasants both perished by the millions, but in a population of their size the demographic impact wasn't as drastic as it was in Soviet Russia. The Bolsheviks literally erased the top third of Russian Christians, much of their aristocracy, clergy and bourgeoisie was genocided. Putin recently underscored this, stating in an interview that without the Bolsheviks Russia would have had a population of 500 million people.

In China however the upper classes that were politically suppressed under Mao have risen back to the top under Deng, and Xi, who is one of them, is their strong leader today. China has proven to be more resilient as a people and culture because they have had a 5,000 year history.

The Great Chinese Famine of 1959-1961 alone, even at the very lowest estimates, wiped out as many Chinese as all the Bolshevik murders, terror and famines combined. The Chinese “kulaks” who weren’t killed by the Japanese in WWII fled to Taiwan. You’re doing a lot of shilling (lying) for the atheist, communist, anti-Christian CCP and that’s very troubling to see on an Orthodox Christian forum. Trying to explain away and rationalize genocide against Chinese peasants is also disgusting.

 

[911]

They also barricaded whole apartment buildings shut. You can find footage of this online. If you are seriously suggesting that the CCP and their approach is better/more acceptable ect than what is going on in the US you're delusional and don't have knowledge of their cultural revolution and what has permeated their society since then.

Lots of CCP worship on here from you, and others, whom I usually respect. But you're grossly wrong on this and either speaking from a contrarian point of view to point out of view to point out your issues with the GAE or you're just ignorant and don't have any experience on what you're speaking.

The footage you describe above was from the mid-winter peak epidemic in Wuhan, undoubtedly a hard lockdown but it was localized in one region, over a relatively short period of time (76 days to be exact). Other major cities had even shorter lockdowns, nothing like the sustained hell that has been imposed on cities like NYC, Melbourne, Montreal. London or Paris where the lockdowns went on for over a year. In China, their people have been free to shop, work, and party ever since April 2020... It's almost as if their lockdown actually worked.

I believe nearly all western countries had negative GDPs in 2020 except for Sweden, so their lockdown was harsher, applied over entire seasons for no real reason other than to control their people and crush the local economies.

 

[911]

The Great Chinese Famine of 1959-1961 alone, even at the very lowest estimates, wiped out as many Chinese as all the Bolshevik murders, terror and famines combined. The Chinese “kulaks” who weren’t killed by the Japanese in WWII fled to Taiwan. You’re doing a lot of shilling (lying) for the atheist, communist, anti-Christian CCP and that’s very troubling to see on an Orthodox Christian forum. Trying to explain away and rationalize genocide against Chinese peasants is also disgusting.

Between 1950 and 1975, China's population actually grew from 550 million to 920 million. That was incidentally the biggest demographic burst in China's entire 5000 year history:


So my statement above, that Mao's rural cull had little effect on their demography, is absolutely true. If you have an ounce of decency and maturity, you will acknowledge your mistake of having called me a liar here.

I have at least as much hatred for communism as anyone on this board, including you, but unlike you, I also have a better grounding in history and a more objective perspective on this subject.

I'm not absolving Mao's Cultural Revolution here, far from it, that being one of the worst episodes in Asian history, almost as bad as the Khmer Rouge genocides. But the numbers above show that his body count is probably lower than the Bolsheviks' 60+ million killed, and a good chunk of Mao's deaths came from shear incompetence in running his agricultural policies in a country with over half a billion people, as opposed to the Soviets' deliberate well-planned genocides and forced starvation of what is Europe's biggest breadbasket.

My information on China comes from reliable sources, including Asian scholars from my extended family and personal circle in Europe, and serious scholars like Mathew Raphael Johnson as well as from upper class Mainlanders I have met and befriended over the years, Mainlanders that I would describe as hardcore nationalists, none of them particularly sympathetic to communist regimes.

Keith Woods on the subject:

 

[fireshark]

China is already dealing with the devil. Quoted text below reposted from Fash the Nation. (Afghanistan is mentioned in here so it's still on topic )

As much as I wish it were true, the notion that Jews are scrambling to cram their belongings into a suitcase and board a lifeboat from which to exit America en masse has always been a fraught metaphor. You could go all the way back to the opium wars, but the true beginnings of the modern post-WWII relationship really began when China abruptly stopped celebrating Palestinian Solidarity Day in 1971, followed by Nixon abruptly announcing he would visit China a year later at the direction of Kissinger. Robert Maxwell, along with Jonathan Pollard, were just getting started stealing U.S. intel and military secrets and selling them to China before the Sino-Israeli relationship became official with the normalizing of relations in the 1980s. The two decades of anti-Israeli sentiment under Mao that get incorrectly interpreted as enduring Chinese anti-semitism was really just anti-U.S. Imperialism to which China saw Israel as being inextricably linked. China's fleeting support for Palestine was purely political. There was nothing ideologically or ethnically anti-Jewish about it. Things would be much different if that weren't true.

This is the fundamental reason why the Chinese have no real means of resisting any of what's happened since then because the average Chinese person has had no negative experiences with Jews. Historical Jewish presence in China was limited to a few coastal cities that is often too easily conflated with the British presence there. Unlike Europe and the United States, the Chinese don't have millennia of religious resistance or collective bad Jew experiences as points of reference for setting off any alarm bells for countering anything that's being done to them now.

Fast forward 50 years and Larry Fink's BlackRock has successfully lobbied the Chinese to modify their constitution to allow foreign-controlled financial entities in China. BlackRock is now the controlling entity in a partnership with the Chinese Construction Bank tasked with draining the $15 trillion "locked away" in Chinese savings accounts under the guise of solving China's pension crisis.

Blackstone and other Jewish hedge funds are gobbling up huge swathes (some as large as Lower Manhattan in terms of square footage) of dense urban real estate in hostile takeovers reminiscent of the greenmailer era in the United States.

Meanwhile, Holocaust education has been required in Chinese schools for decades, with Anne Frank's diary long ago translated into Mandarin and widely disseminated. Jews have taken a people with no natural aversion to them and leveraged Chinese hatred of the Japanese and the alleged Rape of Nanking to create a common cause linked to their own Jewish hatred of the Germans and the alleged Holocaust. In Chinese textbooks, the Japanese and Germans are virtually indistinguishable as separate entities. "Rape of Nanking denier" now exists as a useful pejorative for stamping out dissent.

IDF-backed Israeli tech firms funded as spinoffs of U.S. tech companies now populate China-Israel "Innovation" hubs that have popped up all over China, most recently in Beijing and Shanghai. The traffic is one-way, i.e., there aren't Israel-China Innovation Hubs opening up all over Israel full of Chinese companies. There is just one miniscule one in Tel Aviv with no permanent Chinese presence. Chinese construction workers came instead to rebuild Israel's two main ports, construct highways and rail systems that further bisect and dissect remaining pockets of soon-to-be-stolen Palestinian land, while building de-salinization plants that will provide freshwater for continued expansion of illegal Israeli settlements.

The highly-calculated and long-ago planned U.S. pullout from (hand-off of) Afghanistan (to China) has been in the works for years, set in motion by Trump in 2018 and executed by Biden. A world filled to the brim with Jewish consumerism no longer has any appetite for war. Instead, the U.S. will feign objections to China building road, rail, and other infrastructure through Afghanistan to connect Asia to the Middle East. Steel caskets draped in the U.S. flag being rolled down the cargo ramp of a C-130 have become an increasingly potent trigger for feelings of anger and frustration that can quickly become a gateway for seeking out those responsible for endless sacrificial bloodshed. It is far better in the long run for Jews to bring 799.99% APR 240 month big truck auto loans to Kabul than to trade another fleet of Blackhawk helicopters for more American bodies coming home.

The long run optics of pulling out of Afghanistan also acts as a catalyst for diminishing anti-semitism born out of a persistent aggressive war footing there. That shouldn't be mistaken as the purported collapse of America. Netanyahu's springtime gay-op of Palestine sent global anti-semitism to levels to the moon. This is simply the beginning of war by another means; linking the boogeyman of Middle Eastern "terrorism" to domestic "terrorism" in the United States while China and the U.S. play complementary but visibly separate roles prosecuting strip mall diplomacy abroad. Meanwhile, U.S. domestic politics aka the finkelthink dialectic, undergo a recalibration such that anti-war sentiments return to liberals while the losing proposition of "fightin them terrorists over there so we don't hafta fight em over here" once again becomes a uniquely conservative position.

The US is our ally, China is not our enemy - opinion

I believe the demand that Israel restricts its civil relations with China and put a stop to the economic cooperation and strategic projects it has begun with Chinese companies is unjustified.

www.jpost.com

BlackRock expands China footprint with wealth management licence

BlackRock Inc (BLK.N) has received a licence in China for a majority-owned wealth management venture, expanding its footprint in the country's fast-growing asset management market.

www.reuters.com

 

[budoslavic]

 

[It_is_my_time]

China is already dealing with the devil. Quoted text below reposted from Fash the Nation. (Afghanistan is mentioned in here so it's still on topic )

The US is our ally, China is not our enemy - opinion

I believe the demand that Israel restricts its civil relations with China and put a stop to the economic cooperation and strategic projects it has begun with Chinese companies is unjustified.

www.jpost.com

BlackRock expands China footprint with wealth management licence

BlackRock Inc (BLK.N) has received a licence in China for a majority-owned wealth management venture, expanding its footprint in the country's fast-growing asset management market.

www.reuters.com

The Taliban has already said their main trade partner would be China, in return China will be able to extend their belt and road initiative through Afghanistan.

Why do they want to go through Afghanistan?