The Afghanistan Conflict Thread

FrancisK

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It isn't about them sharing the same values. It is that they at least have the base, family, food, shelter. The west no longer even has this. It has a few rich people ripping everyone else off, and a bunch of young people turning to video games, porn, drugs, and suicide in record numbers year after year.

It goes back to what I said. At a primitive level we want to pass on our values, or at least pass on life. The Taliban and China, as brutal or harsh as it may be, are offering this in droves more than western governments are to their people. And this is even before the debt bubble, diversity hires running infrastructure, wheels come flying off. Then it will really get bad in the west.

I don't want to live their life style, but their life style offers a future, all be it very dull. Ours offers nothing at this time, and I don't see men turning off TV and getting active in large enough numbers to even budge the system. It isn't that I admire their life, it is just the simple admission that unless things change drastically in the west, and very quickly, they will win by default.

The Taliban getting the $85 billion in army supplies, that they could either learn to duplicate, or sell to have duplicated, or both + them getting their women out of the political process, gives them a huge boost in the arm. Meanwhile we have economic malaise and infrastructure crumbling across the country as the crime rate skyrockets and will soon be at levels never seen before at the current year over year increase.

Okay so you’re not necessarily saying they are our allies you’re simply saying we could take a page from their playbook?
 
Taliban 100% not maybe, unless you convert to to Islam for them. You’re not their Christian brother just because you also dislike fags and liberals. You’re not one of them that’s all that matters, they wouldn’t even use you as a slave they would kill you just out of spite.

The Chinese would keep you around if they have use for you, if they could use you as a slave in one form or another but your life also has no value to them. It does not matter that some of your beliefs align with theirs.


As Christians we believe in tolerance, love thy neighbor, forgive and forget…..they have no such values towards us don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise because of stupid memes. It’s like saying BLM should be our friends because blacks are mostly against liberal bs……it means nothing to them.
There are centuries old Hindu and Sikh communities in Kabul and Jalalabad. Twenty percent of the population adheres to either Twelver Shi'ism (majority) or Ismaili Shi'ism (minority). Afghanistan hasn't had an indigenous Christian population since the era of Tamerlane

All these groups are, in Hanafi/Deobandi jurisprudence (and all others) one stair below Christians. Shia are considered apostates and Hindus polytheists. All these communities have survived the much more brutal first period of Taliban rule (1996-2001). None of them have been harmed so far.

In these traditionalist law schools being a Christian is punishable by death in case of conversion. In all other cases they are subjected to dhimmitude which means second class citizenship

This line of 'the Taliban would kill you' is nonsense. They kill invaders, imperialists and apostates. There are still thousands of Westerners, some with the blood of Afghans on their hands, roaming around Kabul. Are they being rounded up and executed en masse? The Taliban protects the Russian and Chinese Embassies and has been handling security for the airport in cooperation with the US.

In traditionalist Muslim societies historical Christian communities are protected but subjected to additional levies/taxes. Judicially the are discriminated against in case of a dispute with a Muslim and they and cannot apply for certain government positions. Their places of worship are to be modest. But they are not killed on the spot for being Christians, that is again nonsense.

Can we also say that all of these Christian communities were better off before the US decided to destabilize, invade and economically strangle these countries?
 

FrancisK

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There are centuries old Hindu and Sikh communities in Kabul and Jalalabad. Twenty percent of the population adheres to either Twelver Shi'ism (majority) or Ismaili Shi'ism (minority). Afghanistan hasn't had an indigenous Christian population since the era of Tamerlane

All these groups are, in Hanafi/Deobandi jurisprudence (and all others) one stair below Christians. Shia are considered apostates and Hindus polytheists. All these communities have survived the much more brutal first period of Taliban rule (1996-2001). None of them have been harmed so far.

In these traditionalist law schools being a Christian is punishable by death in case of conversion. In all other cases they are subjected to dhimmitude which means second class citizenship

This line of 'the Taliban would kill you' is nonsense. They kill invaders, imperialists and apostates. There are still thousands of Westerners, some with the blood of Afghans on their hands, roaming around Kabul. Are they being rounded up and executed en masse? The Taliban protects the Russian and Chinese Embassies and has been handling security for the airport in cooperation with the US.

In traditionalist Muslim societies historical Christian communities are protected but subjected to additional levies/taxes. Judicially the are discriminated against in case of a dispute with a Muslim and they and cannot apply for certain government positions. Their places of worship are to be modest. But they are not killed on the spot for being Christians, that is again nonsense.

Can we also say that all of these Christian communities were better off before the US decided to destabilize, invade and economically strangle these countries?

You’re missing a big caveat there, we are western Christians not middle eastern Christians. My parents and family are middle eastern Christians, we are not considered the same as them and we are not welcome there trust me.

You wouldn’t be killed on the spot for being Christian you would be killed for being a western Christian.

But you keep idolizing those taliban, I’m sure they would love to have you, you know….because memes.
 
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FrancisK

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This idea that the taliban aren’t so bad because they share the framework of some of our conservative ideas or because they made bumbling biden look bad is based on a very superficial view.

We don’t like fags but we don’t want to see them all beheaded, we want them to find god and not be fags.

We think women belong in the home as nurturing mothers, we don’t think women should be wearing burqas and be kept from having basic human freedoms.

We are distrustful of Jews and think they need to be outed and neutralized from being the terror they are to the world but we don’t want to suicide bomb them all.


I could go on but you can fill in the rest…


Conservative Christians have no relation to radical Islam which is what the taliban are. I’m shocked to see guys buying into this garbage because of a few stupid memes….
 
You’re missing a big caveat there, we are western Christians not middle eastern Christians. My parents and family are middle eastern Christians, we are not considered the same as them and we are not welcome there trust me.

You wouldn’t be killed on the spot for being Christian you would be killed for being a western Christian.

But you keep idolizing those taliban, I’m sure they would love to have you, you know….because memes.
Nobody is idolizing the Taliban, that's just a false representation of things by yourself and the likes to somehow add some consistency to your argument.

You addressed exactly zero of the points made in my post, which was a rebuttal to your silly statement that Christians (and you clearly didn't make any distinction between East or West or whatever) would be executed on the spot by the Taliban

There is a clear segment of people in this thread that think they can spout misinformation or even outright lies whilst hiding behind their personal background or experience

Either provide some evidence of these outlandish claims or don't say silly stuff.

Meanwhile blonde US dog ladies have decided to stay in Afghanistan to save the dogs

 
Between 1950 and 1975, China's population actually grew from 550 million to 920 million. That was incidentally the biggest demographic burst in China's entire 5000 year history:
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So my statement above, that Mao's rural cull had little effect on their demography, is absolutely true. If you have an ounce of decency and maturity, you will acknowledge your mistake of having called me a liar here.

I have at least as much hatred for communism as anyone on this board, including you, but unlike you, I also have a better grounding in history and a more objective perspective on this subject.

I'm not absolving Mao's Cultural Revolution here, far from it, that being one of the worst episodes in Asian history, almost as bad as the Khmer Rouge genocides. But the numbers above show that his body count is probably lower than the Bolsheviks' 60+ million killed, and a good chunk of Mao's deaths came from shear incompetence in running his agricultural policies in a country with over half a billion people, as opposed to the Soviets' deliberate well-planned genocides and forced starvation of what is Europe's biggest breadbasket.

My information on China comes from reliable sources, including Asian scholars from my extended family and personal circle in Europe, and serious scholars like Mathew Raphael Johnson as well as from upper class Mainlanders I have met and befriended over the years, Mainlanders that I would describe as hardcore nationalists, none of them particularly sympathetic to communist regimes.

Keith Woods on the subject:
The entire Soviet system did not consume 60 million people, your Orthodox nationalist sources are themselves dishonest if they are claiming that number, wearing your religion and your politics on your shirtsleeve doesn’t mix well with serious scholarship. Genocide does not get a pass because you have a large population and are also incompetent, your morality is very confused.
 

FrancisK

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Nobody is idolizing the Taliban, that's just a false representation of things by yourself and the likes to somehow add some consistency to your argument.

You addressed exactly zero of the points made in my post, which was a rebuttal to your silly statement that Christians (and you clearly didn't make any distinction between East or West or whatever) would be executed on the spot by the Taliban

There is a clear segment of people in this thread that think they can spout misinformation or even outright lies whilst hiding behind their personal background or experience

Either provide some evidence of these outlandish claims or don't say silly stuff.

Meanwhile blonde US dog ladies have decided to stay in Afghanistan to save the dogs


We are western Christians when I am talking about things referring to US I shouldn’t have to make that distinction. Your “points” about other native groups living in Afghanistan have nothing to do with us.

You want “evidence” that radical islamist want to kill us….? Come on….

Also I completely and totally disagree with you, real world experience trumps any social Media internet education on a topic. Whatever you read online is exactly and only that, just something you read online. I’ll take someone’s personal experience over whatever bias garbage you find online every single time, to have to tell someone on this forum of all places to be leery of bias internet information is pretty silly to say the least.

Seems like you really like to turn it into a pissing match when you disagree with someone, creating contention doesn’t get your point across it only kills the discussion which I’m sure you know.
 
We are western Christians when I am talking about things referring to US I shouldn’t have to make that distinction. Your “points” about other native groups living in Afghanistan have nothing to do with us.

You want “evidence” that radical islamist want to kill us….? Come on….

Also I completely and totally disagree with you, real world experience trumps any social Media internet education on a topic. Whatever you read online is exactly and only that, just something you read online. I’ll take someone’s personal experience over whatever bias garbage you find online every single time, to have to tell someone on this forum of all places to be leery of bias internet information is pretty silly to say the least.

Seems like you really like to turn it into a pissing match when you disagree with someone, creating contention doesn’t get your point across it only kills the discussion which I’m sure you know.
So do you have any proof of the Taliban executing Western Christians because of their faith?
 

FrancisK

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So do you have any proof of the Taliban executing Western Christians because of their faith?

You’re asking for links to news stories?

Look just answer one question for me in your head, just for yourself I don’t care for you to concede anything or to be right or wrong. I am always more interested in discussion rather than to be right or wrong.

If right now with the clothes on your back today and who you are, if La Aguila Negra walked down the street of Kabul with a big pretty cross around his neck and went to the first Taliban soldier he found and explained who he was and where he was from….

What do you think his fate would be?


I know they are playing nice right now because they have a lot to gain for it but these people are not anything like us and they resent us for who we are and what we supposedly represent, regardless if we agree with it or not. Their entire idealogy has been galvanized by their hate for us.
 
You’re asking for links to news stories?

Look just answer one question for me in your head, just for yourself I don’t care for you to concede anything or to be right or wrong. I am always more interested in discussion rather than to be right or wrong.

If right now with the clothes on your back today and who you are, if La Aguila Negra walked down the street of Kabul with a big pretty cross around his neck and went to the first Taliban soldier he found and explained who he was and where he was from….

What do you think his fate would be?


I know they are playing nice right now because they have a lot to gain for it but these people are not anything like us and they resent us for who we are and what we supposedly represent, regardless if we agree with it or not. Their entire idealogy has been galvanized by their hate for us.
It was America that invaded Afghanistan. Not the other way around. The Taleban would have every reason to hate Americans. I don't think their "entire ideology has been galvanized" by hate for Americans. They were actually galvanized by their hate for the Soviet invaders, the first enemy that created them. And they are above all a militant religious movement, that is their main ideology, coupled with tribal/nationalist ambition.

Most violence against Christians by the Taleban has been against women, bizarrely for fear of vaccination of children ostensibly or allegations of spying. They're major anti-vaxxers. They also killed some proselytising Christians. However, violence against Christians has not been wide-spread, organized or fanatic.

LAN is right, they would not kill Christians on sight, and you're also right that they don't like Christians or Westerners, they do resent us and what we represent. There's a bit more to their ideology than anti-Christianity or anti-Westernism though.

Obviously the Taleban could not be our allies due to their very different extreme hyper-morality and bizarre rules. However, I think it is good experiments like that exist in the world. We don't need everyone to be like us. We can respect and live with other societies. It's when other societies attack you that you fight back. And America did attack the Taleban.
 
Wearing a crucifix might or might not be prohibited by the Hanafi jurisprudence, I am not enlightened on this.

As for the status of Christians within this law school, they are protected be it that they are born into the religion - or better said not former Muslims. Protected, but second class citizens. Islam is a supremacist religion and Muslims consider themselves superior to non Muslims. This has been widely established. But they don't kill Christians for their faith - and if they do it would not be in line with their religion. I've seen you on various occasions conflate Taliban with IS or AL Qaida, which is wrong. These people are NOT the same.

In fact the only group that the Talibs have been going after so far are the Salafis, obviously because they pose the biggest threat to their rule.

So far the Taliban have shown great restraint. This is a fact, even though it might change and some people really ant it to change.

As for personal experience, let's be real here, much of the `personal experience' shared on this board is just gossip from a six month deployment being part of an occupational army, or sweeping generalizations based on a five minute conversation with the baker. I still haven't figured out how some claim to know about the Taliban's sexual preferences.

I actually was very close with several Afghan families that were dumped into my village of birth. Some of their kids were my age and we played in the same football team for 10+ years, and at some point I (we) regularly visited their place. Their father once stated that he was a pilot in the Communist army under Najibullah. We sometimes had a party there (no alcohol though). Later that place developed into a den for illegal firecracker sales and illegal clothes sales.

However at no point I would want to bring that up because it doesn't matter. People bring it up as some sort of fake cloak of authority. It's irrelevant. It doesn't prove anything. It's just an Afghan dude with an opinion. He has his bias and personal experience so why would his opinion matter?
 
There is much confusion on this forum, it is seeping in from all the outside holes... The only way to ward off confusion (which is a demon spirit) is to pray and read the scripture, and talk to God.

"Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding."

"1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints."

"James 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice."

I think what people are missing from all this China / Israel / Afghanistan / other country nonsense is that there is no longer a USA, United States of America, 'Merica, et al. There is no "us" anymore. The US is a collective of highly dissonant chaotic settlements connected by convenient pathways, governed by garden variety greedy sanhedrin types. It is the first place to become a rootless cosmopolitan hell, a home for the locusts of humanity as they destroy and move on.

The Taliban can call their plans and well-defined geographical boundaries held under their gunpoint "our plans" and "our lands" among themselves. Xi and his ant colonies can call their expansion "our manifest destiny of the Chinese peoples" etc, and I don't need to presume to speak for the jews, their neurotic exclusivity is known to most people who frequent here and all who are awake to the JQ. This bickering is pointless. It solves nothing except highlight the one fact that our peoples do not have a clear viable inheritance for our posterity. It is not a purely "white" movement, but one that extends from European, Caucasian, and Mediterranean Christianity. The fact that there are so many races and ethnicities mixed in the US of all places is a clear detriment to a true unity under God, but it is not because they are different, it is because for each culture or race a different method of conversion and preaching the Gospel is required, and not performed either because those who can are barred and those who want to are not allowed to do so in such a manner. The missionaries knew this when they went into the Amazon, the Sahara, the Steppes of Asia, Micronesia, etc.

"Ephesians 2:19-20 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone."

For those of you reading this who may be inspired by an all-white nation, remember that it is virtually impossible for any group to form even for a Christian end, under the current regimes. Those that do flourish are either extremely criminal and savage, or coopted by said agencies of the state. Having met people of both those groups, I can tell you that neither of them can offer a way out that is beneficial for whites in the long run, for obvious reasons. While I am not dissing the 14 words or the 88 precepts to be completely ignored, most of these people pray to Odin or Thor and follow the old ways, before the Pax Romana, before the Gospel, and before the Church establishment and adoption of living through Christ's teachings which gifted us with our rich history, full of both goods and ills. There is a reason why just about every European country surrendered their pagan ways to Christ, some at the message of the Gospel, some at the point of a sword, others later at the barrel of a cannon or the bowsprit of a galleon. It was the only way for God to create a civilization that would prepare the way for His Son to return to rule. 2000 years of war has been fought over this destiny, and none of those countries that have the upper hand now will even think of continuing that goal. The new world could have been the place for such a kingdom to flourish, circa early 1600's, but it was not so. The place where it would grow would be a direct continuation of Europe and the Holy lands, and must be filled with people willing to work to bring it about.

The American constitution, written by Freemasons, even with its fair system of justice and many liberties, has become a blasphemy and allowed even greater blasphemies against Christ. This is why there is so much confusion for people who are trying to find the path to Christ but have to do it all by themselves, there is no longer a worldly system that will push for this to happen. Those quoting the constitution like its word is divine when the Antichrist is strutting around performing false miracles are the forever confused:

"Isaiah 45:16 All of them are put to shame and confounded; the makers of idols go in confusion together."

The subterfuge of the masons and their masters, and all the scheming financial parties that cropped up in Europe in the 18th century, have a rich history of trying to steer the civilization to their preferred platform of control. The revolutions, the wars, the centralization of finance, all of it was planned. All the European dynasties and empires have been destroyed, and the patriotic element of America really was the last thing standing in their way. Sooner or later, any country without Christ as its guiding light will either perish or fall under the auspices of the dark principalities, including China, Afghanistan, Russia, Israel (no brainer). Religious freedom is what led to this predicament. I'm all for free will but with no patch of earth guarded by armed Christians with weapons, there is no future for Christianity but for the bleak suffering. Let those who choose not to worship Christ live outside the Kingdom, let those of different faiths not establish their shrines and temples to fallen creatures in the land governed by the Hands of God. How can the Gospel be spread if there are no knights to safeguard it? How can the promise of salvation reach the throngs of the pagans and the Godless if there is no arrow to shoot it through the fog of worldly lies? Some people here have a hard time letting go of the USA, and it just reflects on their own stubbornness to blame China or Israel or whoever else when instead they could be brainstorming for a new land. The deep state will do everything in its power to stop this from happening, as America is the easiest target for it because of the lack of uniform faith. The many different denominations of Christianity have been battered to succumb to politics when it should be the other way around, and the 48 mainland states are so splintered and different on many levels that only the veil of the modern system and its conveniences make everything look the same. America was many nations once, before the Native tribes, and it will be so again, after the collapse. One of those new nations is where the great Christian land will emerge.

"Psalm 119:169 Let my cry come before you, O Lord; give me understanding according to your word!"

I wouldn't trade any situation for living under the Taliban, nor would I live under Xi, Russia is debatable, but why settle for the least worse of places when your suffering and struggles, and likely your sacrifice, can bring about a Christian Kingdom where rule of law falls under His Will first, worldly affairs second. There must be more than a revival, there must be martyrs for truth and justice, more so than the deep state can handle. I would gladly die knowing that some of my actions prompted the creation of the prophesized place that awaited His return. I've seen in dreams a great empty throne in an location I could not pinpoint neither by cartographical means nor geographical references, guarded by 21st century knights, eternally vigilant for the Second Coming. Majestic, but simple. No grandeur, no gold, silver, platinum, or precious adornments, a pure and cleanly marble ranked seat, large but not imposing, where He would one day sermonize, preach, heal, and pass judgment on His people.

"Isaiah 33:22
For the Lord is our judge,
the Lord is our lawgiver,
the Lord is our king;
it is he who will save us."

Until that time when He is here, we must prepare a place for Him, even if it comes down to battling the hordes of hell whilst living in Terminator-style ruins. The American continent could be ripe for such a kingdom, but not until the people move past basic geopolitics and graduate to the faith mysteries and divine purpose. No more heads in the sand. This is the last I'll speak of this in this particular thread.

"Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

Do not forget that God works through people. The day of judgment belongs to the Lord, but the scripture does not say to avoid taking action when the faith is in danger of extinction:

"Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked."

"Proverbs 28:5 Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand it completely."


I expect more chaos out of Afghanistan, and everywhere else in the world, but your individual actions can hold back the flow of the dialectic if you choose to. It only depends on how much you're willing to lose, it has to be everything but your soul. If we all keep distracting ourselves with these branches of conversation, perhaps we should take a step back and pray for one another and return when our fingers and keyboards are cooled. This topic in general is best for open discussion at your church, instead of just online with a bunch of like-minded men.

"2 Timothy 2:7 Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything."
 
Okay so you’re not necessarily saying they are our allies you’re simply saying we could take a page from their playbook?
I think that is a fair assessment. For western Christians, it is hard to say the Taliban is an ally, but they are an enemy of our only enemy. Our enemy being the people who have completely destroyed the western way of living and profited off of our death and misery.

The Taliban nor the Chinese are the enemies of the west. They may not be allies, maybe they will be if things go sideways. I would gladly welcome their support if things go sideways in the west and they were willing to create a multi-front war against the globalists.

What I see from the Taliban is to learn from what they have achieved. They went toe to toe with our military and did what it took to survive. They hid out, they made things messy enough to make the American people turn sour on war, they kept in contact with each other, and they didn't give up. 20 years on the lam and they didn't give up. 20 years of sleeping caves without running water or heat. 20 years of food rationing. 20 years of foreigners destroying their way of life and demoralizing them. 20 years of having BLM flags and rainbow flags and women are better than men nonsense pushed on their children. And they didn't tire, they didn't quit, they just kept fighting as best they could.

And eventually they wore us down. A war of attrition. And it gives me a slight bit of hope we could do the same across the west. That if we remain peaceful but persistent that the beast will wear out here as well. The "White Supremacist" and "January 6" talking points are already seen as jokes by a majority of Americans and worse for them it is a glaring example of how useless the beast is to all of us. It has people talking and comparing notes. A black man goes out and kills 3 white people on purpose due to their race and Merrick Garland on the same day gets up there in front of the nation and says "White supremacy is the greatest terrorist threat in the west". People notice this.

So yes, we can learn a lot from them. Patience and sticking to our values. I hope we can be as successful.

If we are not successful, in 100 years the Taliban Muslims will still be exactly the same. I don't know if there will be any European people left on the planet in 100 years or even any Christians left on the planet if things stay the same. So I hope we can have the same success as the Taliban has had against the beast of globalism.
 

Renzy

Pelican
You guys do realize the taliban and the Chinese would stone to death 99% of the guys on this forum right? The jews are the same they are just pussies and hide it better, those con artists know they can use us.

This is akin to when fags and liberals support muslim immigrants.

What you think they’re going to look at you and say “oh wow he’s conservative like us, welcome brother”…..? No they’ll put a bullet in you or chop your head off faster than you can blurt a sentence out because you’re not one of them. All they care about is that you are not one of them they are not your allies just because some of their beliefs line up. I’m shocked there is even debate in this….

Can't speak for others on here, but I can respect the fact they were able to preserve their culture (as primitive and barbaric as it may be) a lot better than the "conservatives" here were able to conserve ours. Doesn't mean I want to adopt their religion or think they'd view conservatives in the West as bosom buddies.

But look back at the past two decades and ask yourself whose culture got maintained over that time period and whose got lost?

Imagine going back to 2001 and showing your coworkers from back then snapshots from the future - MeToo, gay marriage, Critical Race Theory in our schools, trannie pronouns, statues being torn down, drag queen story hour, open borders, hormone therapy for kids, bake the cake for the gays or lose your business, BLM and antifa running around like wild animals torching our cities, woke military, openly celebrating whites becoming a minority demographic, etc.

For those of you 40 and older, is that the future you imagined back in 2001?

Like IiMT pointed out, in a 100 years they'll probably still have a culture they could recognize as theirs. I doubt we'll be able to say the same thing about ours.
 
Can't speak for others on here, but I can respect the fact they were able to preserve their culture (as primitive and barbaric as it may be) a lot better than the "conservatives" here were able to conserve ours. Doesn't mean I want to adopt their religion or think they'd view conservatives in the West as bosom buddies.

But look back at the past two decades and ask yourself whose culture got maintained over that time period and whose got lost?

Imagine going back to 2001 and showing your coworkers from back then snapshots from the future - MeToo, gay marriage, Critical Race Theory in our schools, trannie pronouns, statues being torn down, drag queen story hour, open borders, hormone therapy for kids, bake the cake for the gays or lose your business, BLM and antifa running around like wild animals torching our cities, woke military, openly celebrating whites becoming a minority demographic, etc.

For those of you 40 and older, is that the future you imagined back in 2001?

Like IiMT pointed out, in a 100 years they'll probably still have a culture they could recognize as theirs. I doubt we'll be able to say the same thing about ours.

I was out of college and working professionally when 9/11 happened. I remember it very well. A few guys on my floor were in the reserves and were saying "we are about to be called up for a long haul". We had no idea it would be 20 years on, much less we wouldn't even go after the guys who likely funded and planned it.

But if someone had showed me a picture of 2021 in 2001, and how much worse things would get, I would have been far more shocked. BLM can spread a blood libel based on large funding and burn down small businesses and kill police/civilians with little recourse. Adult men dressed like female demons would read to children in a public library about homosexuality under the protect of a police sniper. Diversity quotas would be not only the norm, but if you question it you are a potential terror threat. If you go into many sections of a metro and only speak English you are a minority and in possible trouble. Antifa would be allowed to burn down churches, start forest fires, attack the sitting President's rallies, and be not only protected but promoted by the system.

I see TV shows from around this time period, it puts me back to my mid-20's without a real big care in the world other than meeting women. My God at how good things were and how much we have fallen. It is no longer even the same country or culture. The enjoyment and fun of those days are long gone.

Great post Renzy.
 
This idea that the taliban aren’t so bad because they share the framework of some of our conservative ideas or because they made bumbling biden look bad is based on a very superficial view.

We don’t like fags but we don’t want to see them all beheaded, we want them to find god and not be fags.

We think women belong in the home as nurturing mothers, we don’t think women should be wearing burqas and be kept from having basic human freedoms.

We are distrustful of Jews and think they need to be outed and neutralized from being the terror they are to the world but we don’t want to suicide bomb them all.


I could go on but you can fill in the rest…


Conservative Christians have no relation to radical Islam which is what the taliban are. I’m shocked to see guys buying into this garbage because of a few stupid memes….
This. The whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing is not viable, and at best only useful for short-term tactical gain.
 
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