The Andrew Yang thread

911 said:
That's a bit harsh on Yang there TBK, the guy did well by supporting Ngo and expressing concern at the violence. One or two days late doesn't take that much from his tweet, especially in a situation where the facts weren't that clear on day one.

I think the facts were pretty clear by Sunday morning given the clear video evidence and the posts by Portland police declaring the use of cement filled milkshakes.



Note the time and date. Saturday, June 29 in the evening.

Yang's tweet was out by Monday afternoon. Not super late but for a internet culture savvy guy who posts on twitter ALL THE TIME, I'd be curious to know how fast he responded to "right-wing associated" attacks like the deal in New Zealand a while back. Remember when Yang started getting associated with WN's and he came out with a VERY strong statement condemning them and that he didn't want their support?

Why isn't he doing this with Antifa or other leftist-mob violent types RIGHT AWAY? Where are the direct and aggressive denouements like he showed towards white nationalists a while back when there wasn't even any sort of specific violent incident to reference? What's the damn hold up? Does he need 10 more guys to get clocked with cement milkshakes to take a stand? Antifa isn't brand new to the whole being a violent mob deal.

The time delay isn't even the biggest deal; it's the lack of calling out the mob directly and aggressively. Two days and THIS is the best he can do?



That's pretty fracking tepid relatively speaking.

The inverse: Trump doesn't denounce Charlottesville by the 6pm news on the same day of the incident and the ENTIRE DEM party and MSM is calling Trump the 21st century Hitler. And the best we can get from the DEMS, a lone outsider democrat at that, is a two day delay and a half-ass tweet not even calling out anyone specifically?

Weak sauce. Big time.

Furthermore, the other issue as I highlighted was the DEM party base (as evident by the response tweets - look at the amount of likes on some of them) partially/fully supportive of the violence. No democrat, including Yang, can be POTUS as long as a significant amount of the DEM party thinks they are justified in violence against people simply due to ideological differences.

Yang has failed thus far to prove to me that he will stand up to the mob and actively reject their violence and their far-left beliefs like Russia rigged our election or that illegals deserve free healthcare. The latter two bits he made clear in the 3 minutes he was allowed to speak.

There was a small hope that Yang would fight the libtard tide and forge a new path. He's got the slogan right at least: "Not left or right, but forward." He makes some good points on some things, he seems more fair minded on some issues vs the typical DEM, but he needs to be a real leader above all else. Someone willing to buck the worse of the DEM party. Right now, I see zero evidence of real leadership on his part. However, I do see evidence that he will cave and fold eventually as I highlighted in a previous post.

For fracks sake, he can't even step up when his mic is cut off. Yell, say something during a commercial, DO SOMETHING. Be a frackin leader.

Only a DEM leader with nerves of steel has a chance in beating back the libtard mob internally. Yang ain't it and he's not worth taking the risk on given all the policy compromises a True MAGA guy would have to make on him already. It was a coin toss already but no spine against the libtard mob makes Yang a overwhelming NO for me.
 

Speculation

Kingfisher
Protestant
Yeah its hypocritical that he didn't call out antifa, but think of who is his main voter block. Its deadbeats looking for handouts which are the type of losers that are happy to risk a criminal record by larping as nazi fighters.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Speculation is right. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately his lack of spine on several levels indicates that he'd never go up against the party machine anyway, no matter how much grassroots support he had. All it would take is for some neocon general to shout "President Yang, we must act!" and he'd quietly nod his assent to whatever murderous new excursion the elites had in store.

Yet another reason so many of us put faith in Trump. Not only did he talk the right talk but it seemed he had the balls to back it up. I sincerely suspect that Yang is only capable of the former, and under duress he's not even capable of that. Let's see if a couple of Black Lives Matters hippos barge him offstage in the middle of a rally like they did to Sanders. That was one of the defining nails in the coffin of old-man-Bernie's bid for 2016.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Andrew Yang comes off as the poster child for Nice Guy Beta Male. He is smart, he is hard working, he is nice, caring and giving, but he HATES confrontation. To the point that he will know he is 100% correct and someone will tell him otherwise and he will go quiet and quit right then and there.

The guy brought up some great points early on and really had a chance to do something. But the first time someone told him to "knock it off" he not only did so, he went as far as he could in the opposition direction to show how submissive he is to their demands.

Trump at least would fight back during the campaign and stand for what he believed in, which was almost always the correct position.
 

TigerMandingo

 
Banned
Maybe Yang is a decent person and is unsuited for politics. Not the worst thing in the world. Regardless of what happens, I wish him well. It’s not everyday we have a morally sound individual running for office. If anything, it’s a good sign for the future of America that we have decent people like that making headway. It means once the boomers are gone we can start to rebuild.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
TigerMandingo said:
Maybe Yang is a decent person and is unsuited for politics. Not the worst thing in the world. Regardless of what happens, I wish him well. It’s not everyday we have a morally sound individual running for office. If anything, it’s a good sign for the future of America that we have decent people like that making headway. It means once the boomers are gone we can start to rebuild.

He isn't a sell out at least, but I don't consider someone "morally sound" when they will not stick to their principles.

His slogan is "Math" and then he wants to give out $1,000 a month and let the other 95% of the world flood in. It doesn't take very high "math" skills to know this will be an epic failure.
 

PharaohRa

Kingfisher
It_is_my_time said:
Andrew Yang comes off as the poster child for Nice Guy Beta Male. He is smart, he is hard working, he is nice, caring and giving, but he HATES confrontation. To the point that he will know he is 100% correct and someone will tell him otherwise and he will go quiet and quit right then and there.

The guy brought up some great points early on and really had a chance to do something. But the first time someone told him to "knock it off" he not only did so, he went as far as he could in the opposition direction to show how submissive he is to their demands.

Trump at least would fight back during the campaign and stand for what he believed in, which was almost always the correct position.

IMHO, given his beta personality, I don't think someone told him to "knock it off", but rather he has poor execution in how he implements his policies (this is a common weakness in many East Asians). If someone told him to "knock it off", he would have said that he is no longer running
 
Definitely, don't agree with everything Yang says, but it is nice to see a candidate with original ideas. Just donated
a couple of bucks on his website and I'm hoping he can make the third and fourth debates. I believe he has already qualified for the second.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Kid Twist said:
It is a forum classic how TBK went from full force support to turning on Yang within less than 2-3 days.

It's more like 5 months than "2-3 days", but I guess that wouldn't have as much of a dramatic effect.
 

Kid Twist

 
Banned
It was barely a month ago that the shillin' for this guy was hard core.

The debates came around and "Et tu Brute?" came from Yang's mouth to the Knight

But your 5 months wouldn't be drama now, would it?
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
It's called "evidence based decision making".

Political zombies who support their favorite guy unconditionally like they would support a football team wouldn't really understand it.
 
Kid Twist said:
It is a forum classic how TBK went from full force support to turning on Yang within less than 2-3 days.

2-3 days?

You really need to stop embarrassing yourself KID. I don't know why you have this bone to pick with me it seems from time to time but if you're going to criticize, you should try to get your facts straight and do some basic research.

I posted the following in late May (a MONTH before the first debate):

The Black Knight said:
I have to be perfectly honest on some recent thoughts:

I like Yang on a lot of things but this increasingly hostile "fuck whitey" and pro-illegal immigrant bullshit from nearly all democrats and their base is alone really enough for me to not vote for a single democrat, even more palatable democrats like Yang or Tulsi, until they get a grip on reality (which they won't).

If Yang wanted to push a path to permanent residence with no path to citizenship (and therefore, no voting rights), I could entertain that. But Yang, like all democrats, has no respect for the actual citizens of the USA when he thinks it's OK to give millions of foreign invaders amnesty; albeit on a delayed time clock. We are not talking about hooking up a few foreigners, we are talking about altering the culture and power structure of the USA forever. It's bad enough already with the anchor babies and their voting rights and the legal refugee shitheads like those Somalians in Minnesota. Dump 10 million plus illegals suddenly into elections and it's game over real quick.

I can't vote for someone, anyone, that would make me and my culture essentially obsolete by nefarious means. But it's worse. Being obsolete isn't good enough for them. No, they have to be overtly hostile towards the host nation demographic (i.e. white people) and actively attack them and destroy their lives. To add insult to injury, the foreign invaders are being enabled by self-hating white people (libtards AND cucks) and hostile non-white citizens.

On the other side of the world, I watch a country like Hungary defend its borders and its host culture with true conviction.

In Italy, I see the people realize the grave mistake they have made with migrants and are rising up to unfuck the damage.

But having watch Yang for a while now, he comes off like the "pleaser" type. He doesn't want to offend anybody and he likes consensus above all else. Nice guy, some good ideas, but not the guy I want protecting the demographic integrity of America nor dealing with the ruthless fucks in China on trade or otherwise. That stuff, among other things, requires brass balls and heaps of conviction to deal with.

Plus, he IS Asian so he really doesn't have a dog in this demographic fight.

For a democrat, we could do FAR worse than Yang but he is still a vote for the end of America 1.0. And because he supports amnesty, he is also a vote for putting the finale stake into the concept of a white majority America; the majority that has existed since the nations inception.

In 1970, white people made up close to 90% of the USA populace.

Now?

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You read that right. Since 2007, white babies don't make-up the majority anymore.

NOW... if the non-whites in this country seemed for the most part to not hold hostile anti-white views, I could rest a bit easier with the coming changes. But every bit of evidence, both past and present, suggests life will NOT be good for white people going forward. If you are conservative minded/red pill heterosexual male, it will especially be a living hell.

The demographic war is basically lost already on the present course and a hard line must be drawn here and now. As much as I have not been happy with Trump lately on some things, he at least is and will likely hold the line on somethings. And if he can hold the line until a "phase 2" candidate (i.e. someone advocating peaceful separation of the USA). can arrive, then it will be worth it. I'm not holding out much hope for a MAGA Congress takeover in 2020 but who knows.

That all said: I should emphasis, I'm not a white nationalist. Not in the slightest. What I am though is someone that sees blatant anti-white actions from minorities AND white people in the USA RIGHT NOW while white people still have a majority and therefore, I know what is coming for me when white people lose even more power down the line. In my mind now, it's get MAGA people to take over (which in 2018 didn't really pan out already) or break-up the USA.

Everything else is bullshit that doesn't help me.

source: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72584-post-1985670.html#pid1985670

I've always expressed ambivalence about Yang and the risk/compromises involved in supporting him (and the democrat party) even under optimal conditions. There was a chance early on that he would rise to the occasion and crave out a niche as a true outsider willing to speak the honest truth about a variety issues. Ultimately, I was hoping to see him stand up to the democrat mob above all else.

Unfortunately and as I highlighted in my May 2019 post, it became apparent to me that Yang wasn't a real deal leader and supporting any democrat was a risk not worth taking. His first debate performance, where there was a very slight chance he'd pull off a hail mary performance, was the nail in the coffin.

That said, I still agree with Yang on some issues and think he has some good ideas; ideas that someone in the GOP should pick up on. Proportional voting and democracy dollars to fund grassroots elections are things the GOP should be pushing hard right now just for survival purposes. But it won't matter soon enough when the democrats own the entire country partially thanks to Trump's cucking and incompetence in his first two years. The situation is not entirely his fault but he has made huge avoidable errors that we will all pay for in the future.

As of now, Trump is the best we got (excluding a possible rebellious MAGA governor) and we just have to hope that the democrats go so full retard enough (they are doing a great job thus far) between today and Nov 2020, enough NPCs will wake up to get Trump another 4 years and buy us all more time. It's possible the democrats could overplay their hand too soon but if November 2018 is any indication (in the wake of the Kavanaugh non-sense), I'm not very optimistic.

However... even if Trump gets another 4 years, the larger structural problems will likely not be fixed given his track record and the corrupt Congress he has to deal with. If anything is going to get truly fixed, it will probably be after Trump via a rebellious MAGA governor.
 

Kid Twist

 
Banned
TBK, I've liked your threads in the past here and there, I'm no enemy, but look at what you just posted. It's exactly what I was trying to get through to you the whole time this went down. I don't know why you all are so defensive. Trump is the best option, period, he's done a ton, what more do you want him to do with all sides against him and in only 2.5 years?

Just relax and exercise a bit of temperance before going hyperbolic in posts because you're frustrated. We all are to some degree, so it's nothing personal. It's ok to admit you were just worked up. Instead I get all this flak for predicting precisely what happened, which is I guess why, at this point.

Go Trump!
 

Lunostrelki

Kingfisher
Trump has the same problem as Putin and Xi Jinping. All three are in charge of big legacy superpowers facing off against outlaw deep state establishments and globalist corporate interests. They all have this paternalist message about them, but the fact is that they're just three guys who entered office by slipping in under the globalist/deep state radar. Once they're in, the challenge is by no means over. They've had to put on false appearances, make alliances of convenience, and also let's face it, they're not exactly saints or clairvoyants, so they have their own vices and make mistakes. But they're the only force in the governments of their respective countries who have a shot at striking the enemy.

Just getting Trump into office showed that the American people didn't like what was happening to the country. That symbol of their indignation has been there for more than two years, trolling the establishment, getting the progressives to go from silent destruction of Americans' rights to going apeshit and revealing their true colors by openly supporting traitors, violence, and illegals. That's success of a kind that's independent from what's happening with Trump and his establishment advisors in Washington. The ideological battlefield is now contested. The left cannot win just by calling you a Nazi. They can deplatform you but when you get on the streets they have to send Antifa to clear you out, which is damaging for them because no matter how the MSM tries to spin things, everyone right of Marx who does hear about it can see that the "he was a white supremacist" excuse is a lie.

At worst, Trump is like an EMP that went off, perhaps not actively helping anyone but stunning the progressive establishment and forcing them to regroup. At best, he really is doing what he can, in a steep fight against the globalists' interference, to reset the hijacked domestic and international order in America's favor.
 

Graft

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
On UBI and automation: I don't see how it's relevant right now. Maybe in 20 years, but I don't think automation has crippled us yet. Take a look at the world: drivers are still people, waiters, maids, engineers, sales, doctors, cashiers, customer service.

How often do you realistically interact with a robot where you say: "Oh, this should be a person's job"?
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
So every industrial plant, warehouse packaging operation and agricultural/fisheries/timber/mining job in the world could be automated but that doesn't count, because...

Graft said:
...
How often do you realistically interact with a robot where you say: "Oh, this should be a person's job"?

City life. Where stuff magically appears on shelves and in your postbox.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
I'm not so sure about automation and giving free $$$ and other quality of life assurances.

The welfare state is already gargantuan and too big to fail across most Western nations and on top of this you're not addressing other major issues in Democrat strongholds. The mental health and drug problems afflicting the ever growing homeless population requires major action now, not further down the line when the numbers are far higher.

It seems humanity is going to smash into these automation problems headfirst without a crash helmet. Whats the population numbers in the US right now? In 20 years time how many then?
 
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