The Australian politics thread

[david.garrett84]

But in the end they all took it right? Truckers included...

Many didn't.

MMAMV - Australia

Millions March Against Mandatory Vaccines

t.me

I finally caught up, to an extent, with what many of these individuals and groups were putting forward. To cut a long story short, I was extremely unimpressed, particularly with their manner and cringeworthy style. Many were extremely uneducated and seemed to have arrived at otherwise sensible conclusions by pure chance. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, after all.

The right has been so utterly eviscerated in recent times that these people are all that’s left a lot of the time. I found it hard to believe that I ever inhabited the same country as many of them, despite the fact they share many of my views.

No one should expect the slickest of PR types (style trumps any substance in almost of those cases) but the vibe the prominent (yet oh so forgettable) anti-mandatory vaccine figures gave off was really quite embarrassing.

It seems these days we have to rely on the leadership of lone individual politicians, such as the generally superb Senator Alex Antic (his interview with Tucker last year[?] was amazing).

 

[grenade001]

I finally caught up, to an extent, with what many of these individuals and groups were putting forward. To cut a long story short, I was extremely unimpressed, particularly with their manner and cringeworthy style. Many were extremely uneducated and seemed to have arrived at otherwise sensible conclusions by pure chance. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, after all.

The right has been so utterly eviscerated in recent times that these people are all that’s left a lot of the time. I found it hard to believe that I ever inhabited the same country as many of them, despite the fact they share many of my views.

No one should expect the slickest of PR types (style trumps any substance in almost of those cases) but the vibe the prominent (yet oh so forgettable) anti-mandatory vaccine figures gave off was really quite embarrassing.

It seems these days we have to rely on the leadership of lone individual politicians, such as the generally superb Senator Alex Antic (his interview with Tucker last year[?] was amazing).

There really is a dearth of genuine leadership among the right. The absence of any prospective figurehead to reach prominence in the short to medium term more or less confirms that there is unlikely to be a substantial grassroots moment of the Right any time soon.

The "extremely uneducated" folk that comprise the anti-jab resistance in Australia are not the most articulate granted. Though I disagree that it is a result of the "broken clock theory". I would attribute it to the decentralised nature of the movement in Australia. Which can be favourable in Australia as our history has heavily utilised decentralised leadership structures.

There is no sizable "Bible belt" in Australia or any genuinely conservative bastion that is geographically concentrated. Christians officially comprise 48% of the population in 2021, though there are very few people under 40 that I know of that are religious to any great degree.

"Conservatives" in Australia are strictly financial conservatives mostly, genuinely socially conservative folk are extremely few and far between. The Aussie larrakin is mere meme these days.

 

[Gnasher]

I would argue the catholic church is much bigger and positive than in ireland for example. Australia has much more of a personal responsibility aspect than most euro countries where people automatically expect the state to do everything. Aus has at least some residual can do self reliance in many people. I argue the church is stronger here. People like Cardinal Pell is better spoken and with more guts than any churchman i have seen in Ireland or UK for example. Aus still has lots of positives. The Liberal Party however is a dead duck. I left when the locked down and forced jabs. I was a fool to trust them as long as I did. I would even argue- i feared a Labor election win - but so far they have been better than last liberal government. Just shows how bad the Liberals were! Within Labor being elected the borders opened within weeks and the vaccine pass ar border ended for all. Judge by actions not words is an old saying.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Almost like clockwork. Go woke... go...

Voxday :

The Price of Social Justice Sensitivity​

This example from Australia isn’t corporate cancer so much as fatal corporate plutonium irradiation.

Cheer Cheese used to be called Coon, named after its founder, Edward William Coon. “Coon” is slang for abo, so for years cultural marxist activists pressured Coon to change its name.
In 2020 Coon caved and changed its name to Cheer. And then for no reason at all, people stopped buying their products:
The Canadian dairy behind Cheers cheese will close one of its Australian factories and sack up to 75 workers after major financial losses and milk supply issues. Saputo has announced it will close its Maffra factory in the Gippsland region of Victoria, less than a decade after it bought back the brand in 2015. The company will also reduce the capacity of its bulk powders production facility in Leongatha, southeast of Melbourne and the cheese packaging facility at Mil-Lel in South Australia.
Saputo Australia reported a $54.4m annual loss for the 12 months to March 31 – a stark difference to the $30.6m net profit in 2021.

$81 million in profit vaporized in one year thanks to corporate convergence. At this point, Corporate Cancer is probably one of the ten most important business books ever published. It might even be top five. And yet, virtually no one in the global corpocracy has read it, so clueless executives will continue to listen to the blandishments of their converged Diversity and Human Resources departments and nuke their own company’s financials as a result.
What could it hurt, they said. No one could possibly mind, they said. It’s just a little name change, they said…

 

[Feyoder]

Almost like clockwork. Go woke... go...

Voxday :

The Price of Social Justice Sensitivity​

This example from Australia isn’t corporate cancer so much as fatal corporate plutonium irradiation.

$81 million in profit vaporized in one year thanks to corporate convergence. At this point, Corporate Cancer is probably one of the ten most important business books ever published. It might even be top five. And yet, virtually no one in the global corpocracy has read it, so clueless executives will continue to listen to the blandishments of their converged Diversity and Human Resources departments and nuke their own company’s financials as a result.
What could it hurt, they said. No one could possibly mind, they said. It’s just a little name change, they said…

I wonder if this is also due to the covid inflation. Basically every company making products with inelastic demand saw that people had built a nest egg over covid and realised they could exploit that. Further evidence for the "wealth transfer" theory.

 

[david.garrett84]

I am not so celebratory about “go woke, go broke”. Corporate behemoths with economies of scale benefit most from this arrangement.

I remember reading economics articles about how the woke phenomenon is actually most likely an otherwise unachievable cost that very large companies foist on smaller, newer rivals by engaging in it themselves and thus forcing the struggling rivals to do the same in order to be seen as “socially responsible” and “inclusive”.

Whilst a proper recruitment department would effectively make money (indirectly) by choosing the best possible job candidates for the company, the woke HR divisions we see today are like wasteful ornaments that bleed money even as they hopefully (and usually) make smaller rivals bleed a whole lot more and eventually sink into oblivion.

 

[Stadtaffe]

Someone told me that Dan Andrews is the favourite among the betting public, it appears to be so -

Victoria Election Betting Odds - Will Daniel Andrews get beaten by Matthew Guy?

Victoria Election Betting Odds and Latest Betting Markets for the 2022 Victoria Election. Who will lead Victoria? Election 2022

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$1.04 odds for Labor to remain in parliament, while the Coalition are the $10 challengers, with Matthew Guy the Liberal leader in Victoria.

The Greens and their leader Samantha Ratnam are on the third line of betting at $81 from the Independent part at $101. while the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party are $151 outsiders.

How can that be - do Victorians like being locked up in their houses or something...

 

[Bluey]

Bump for the Victorian election. My nearest voting booth was very quiet. From what I've read early voting was huge this year. I don't hold much hope of Labor losing the seat, the closest they came in the last 25 years was still over 5 percentage points.

If anything I'd expect the greens to eat into the vote, chances of someone halfway sensible winning is

 

[donovan]

Hard to fathom that Victorians would re-elect the man who put them through so much hell the past couple of years. After everything that disgusting pig has done, they're still proud to vote for him.

Whatever intelligence was left in Victoria fled the state during convid to other states. Melbourne is basically now Australia's equivalent of Portland OR in America. If I were a conservative politician, I wouldn't waste my time or money running in future elections there.

 

[RedLagoon]

Hard to fathom that Victorians would re-elect the man who put them through so much hell the past couple of years. After everything that disgusting pig has done, they're still proud to vote for him.

Whatever intelligence was left in Victoria fled the state during convid to other states. Melbourne is basically now Australia's equivalent of Portland OR in America. If I were a conservative politician, I wouldn't waste my time or money running in future elections there.

Yeah it's truly pathetic and before anyone says "rigged!", boots on the ground say that 80 some % (in Melbourne, country Vic is a bit different) truly feel Dan is a "hero".

I mean a lot of them WANT lockdowns back. Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. At some point people need to help themselves and grow up. I personally know several families who either have left the state or the country, good for them.

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[Bluey]

Hard to fathom that Victorians would re-elect the man who put them through so much hell the past couple of years. After everything that disgusting pig has done, they're still proud to vote for him.

Whatever intelligence was left in Victoria fled the state during convid to other states. Melbourne is basically now Australia's equivalent of Portland OR in America. If I were a conservative politician, I wouldn't waste my time or money running in future elections there.

Not that surprising a result when the "conservitive" opposition ran on a platform of doing the same thing but harder. Why bother with a fake when you can just go the real thing? Note the National party might actually pick up a couple of seats.

 

[hedonist]

Madness..... I don’t know much about the opposition though.

 

[grenade001]

Not that surprising a result when the "conservitive" opposition ran on a platform of doing the same thing but harder. Why bother with a fake when you can just go the real thing? Note the National party might actually pick up a couple of seats.

I believe a decent amount of Melbourne based conservatives left Victoria for other states, mainly Queensland, as it hasn't seemed to affect the voting habits of the latter, outside of Brisbane.

To tie in with the "Real Estate thread", Melbourne which had a net loss of population during the border restriction period, had house price growth at a similar rate to the only state in the country growing in population. If anything, you would expect them to cop a loss selling their homes in Victoria.

Alas, The Nationals did eventually pick up an extra 3 seats, where the Liberals lost 7.

 

[Ouroboros]

Yeah it's truly pathetic and before anyone says "rigged!", boots on the ground say that 80 some % (in Melbourne, country Vic is a bit different) truly feel Dan is a "hero".

I mean a lot of them WANT lockdowns back. Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. At some point people need to help themselves and grow up. I personally know several families who either have left the state or the country, good for them.

Joseph de Maistre Quotes

"Every country has the government it..." - Joseph de Maistre quotes from BrainyQuote.com

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It's true. People in my workplace were recently complaining that the Vic government was not strict enough, 'dropping the ball on basic health precautions', I guess because they have to turn up to the office and mask wearing isn't compulsory (for the moment). Hopeless.

 

[donovan]

When the midterms happened in America a few weeks ago, a lot of people were blaming "the steal", voting machines, ballot harvesting, etc.

I think the simple answer (which is the same here in Australia) is that Western society has declined to this point. I was talking about this in a podcast recently - "don't be surprised when increasingly evil people vote for increasingly evil political parties". Our culture is changing for the worst.

10 or 20 years ago, a politician like Dan Andrews would have faced an election wipeout. Victoria would have swung totally conservative. The entire map of America would be Republican. But those days aren't coming back and votes aren't ever going to change the culture.

Unfortunately the LNP will probably become more liberal/progressive to try and win more votes. Just like the Tories in the UK, the conservatives will just be a slightly less left-wing party than Labor.

 

[hedonist]

It's true. People in my workplace were recently complaining that the Vic government was not strict enough, 'dropping the ball on basic health precautions', I guess because they have to turn up to the office and mask wearing isn't compulsory (for the moment). Hopeless.

Would be a fun experiment to pretend to walk in painfully and explain you’ve inserted something to prevent getting money pox and see if they follow suit the next day.....

 

[Laus Deo]

Despite muh modernity, people are ultimately still hierarchy-seeking animals and they will always side with someone who looks like a leader. Andrews looked like a leader over the last 3 years. Morrison didn't.

People forgive all sins if they feel like someone is taking charge. You can judge his morality all you want, but to rise to have risen to the top of the rancid ALP left and now his state 3 times, he has played this corrupt system of 'democracy' to a tee.

 

[Sanctus]

Andrews won so I left the state. Simple as.

 

[ISR92]

Another Facebook post popped up on my newsfeed today. You know those irritating posts you never asked for? Well, today's one was about how Dan Andrews' daughter was going on an overseas trip after finishing year 12. By the way, she has seductive eyes already at such a young age!!! Yikes.

Link to it:

So anyway, I've noticed that in the majority of Dan Andrews' comment sections, the most upvoted comments are always critical of him. Now, this could easily be simply because controversial comments attract more attention, but still, there is a huge amount of people who openly disagree with this man's views and conduct using social media as a crude but often accurate gauge.

So how then, did he manage to win the election in a landslide? It must have been rigged. No way he got in by that margin.

 

[donovan]

Another Facebook post popped up on my newsfeed today. You know those irritating posts you never asked for? Well, today's one was about how Dan Andrews' daughter was going on an overseas trip after finishing year 12. By the way, she has seductive eyes already at such a young age!!! Yikes.

Link to it:

So anyway, I've noticed that in the majority of Dan Andrews' comment sections, the most upvoted comments are always critical of him. Now, this could easily be simply because controversial comments attract more attention, but still, there is a huge amount of people who openly disagree with this man's views and conduct using social media as a crude but often accurate gauge.

So how then, did he manage to win the election in a landslide? It must have been rigged. No way he got in by that margin.

Those critical comments you're seeing are probably people living in other states.

Victoria's lost forever, mate. The culture down there is vile.

Also read the r/melbourne sub on Reddit and see the kind of entitled, bottom-feeding filth that live in Melbourne and support Dan Andrews. Normally I'd say Reddit is no indicator of real life, but in Melbourne's case, I believe it 100% is.