The Ben Shapiro thread

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RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Phoenix said:
In the same speech he also says "it's near 100% that Trump is going to get the nomination", but reiterates that he doesn't like that because "he's a buffoon". I know Shapiro gets a lot of flack here, but his chief reason for being anti-Trump is that Cruz is ideologically more genuinely conservative and right-wing (which is true). I doubt he'll complain too hard after the nominee is chosen.

The nominees are practically chosen at this point - you even quote Shapiro saying so - and yet he and the Republican establishment are still attacking their almost certain nominee, Trump.

They have yet to deliver the same primacy against Clinton, who has already started campaigning against THEIR practical nominee.

So Shapiro and the Republican establishment are not only letting Clinton attempt to fuck their Trump, but are effectively encouraging it.

If that isn't the definition of a CUCK, I don't know what is.
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

^ I'll reserve my opinion until after the nomination. If he does persist in attacking Trump after that then yes, he's a cuck, but I don't think he will. His primary beef is that Cruz is more consistently and believably conservative, I think he's just naive to believe that's all it takes.

We should stop short of a cult of personality with Trump. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of risks with him: he basically has no real respect for privacy nor any qualms in pushing government intrusion further, he might go overboard with protectionism, he might flipflop back to some of his originally (or still) held leftist beliefs (he still believes in socialized medicine for instance). We accept all these risks because the bigger risk is that he doesn't get to execute his other plans: the wall, the deportations, pushing back against the Muslims, injecting life back into American business with tax cuts etc, withdrawing from military gallivanting around the world, smashing political correctness and perhaps even the cultural left generally.

So yeah, criticism is fine, but if he actually puts any concerted anti-Trump effort in after the nomination then he can fuck off.
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Phoenix said:
We should stop short of a cult of personality with Trump. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of risks with him: he basically has no real respect for privacy nor any qualms in pushing government intrusion further, he might go overboard with protectionism, he might flipflop back to some of his originally (or still) held leftist beliefs (he still believes in socialized medicine for instance).

Agreed on all points, cults of personality only breeds discontent. If Trump makes any big screwups I'll just sit this election out.

That being said, I like Trump's policy and style. I saw him shit-talking some Wahabbist cultists over Twitter and that had me convinced to some degree that he would bring actual sense to American foreign policy and get rid of our toxic Allies In Name Only.

For reference -- I'm not sure how well you guys remember the epic liberal wank-fest that happened after Obama beat McCain, but they were convinced back then that he'd implement socialism, make racism illegal, cure income inequality, and give everybody a free phone, free insurance, and pay all their bills too. What he ended up doing was dial up GWBs bailouts to 11, NSA, maintain three shadow wars, double the national debt, and tax the uninsured. The decline is real and even Hope and Change candidates who made their platform "do right by America" end up doing all kinds of messed-up shit.
 

Thomas More

Hummingbird
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

I support Trump, because he actually has the balls to take action, and he understands how to leverage his table stakes and negotiate hard in favor of the US. However, I'm under no illusion that he's perfect. It's easy to get rose covered glasses about your favored candidate, and to demonize opponents that threaten him. During the primary season, this tends to mean demonizing others on your own side of the fence.

Ben Shapiro, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich; these are all good guys, who for the most part are out in the trenches fighting the fight for the kind of civilization most of us favor. They need to take the red pill, and really have their eyes open, but they're 90% closer to our views than the liberals and the SJWs, and they're out there fighting as a full time job.

It's OK to critique, so we make each other stronger, but I don't think it's good to demonize. If we want to slow down the decline of the west, or even turn the decline around, then some of the tactics and attitudes of Shapiro and Cruz will be part of the solution. We need to find the good, tactfully critique the bad, and keep getting better.
 

Razgriz

Sparrow
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

I think Ben has good points in Trump. I was a hard supporter of Trump but with the Supreme Court nomination up in the air now I don't know what to think about who trump would nominate. Justice Scalias death has been the biggest game changer in the election for me.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Shapiro accurately outlines why Romney fails, and then suggests a more confrontational style like what Trump is doing. But then Shapiro is actively writing articles against Trump. Little Ben is useless. Pointy-headed intellectuals won't take us to the promised land. We need more street fighters.
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

I saw this in real time, which was interesting.

Ben Shapiro did some political bait-and-switch with David Duke over Twitter, then wrote an article about it in a vain attempt to smear Trump.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/3898/...ttacks-little-daily-wire#.VtnYvjDUJn8.twitter

Dude is clearly cucking for Cruz, and using some pretty decent tactics at it. Bait and switch is savvy.

Shapiro has been whining and pissing and moaning for weeks and weeks that Trump isn't a real anti-establishment candidate (because ... money?) in another lame ass attempt to discredit Trump's appeal. He's shilling for Ted Cruz, a guy who has no appeal except with the Jesus Crowd.
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

I remember him saying he was filing a police report over that Tranny touching his shoulder. He was mad because he got AMOGed by a man in a dress during that show.
 

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RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Phoenix said:
^ I'll reserve my opinion until after the nomination. If he does persist in attacking Trump after that then yes, he's a cuck, but I don't think he will. His primary beef is that Cruz is more consistently and believably conservative, I think he's just naive to believe that's all it takes.

We should stop short of a cult of personality with Trump. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of risks with him: he basically has no real respect for privacy nor any qualms in pushing government intrusion further, he might go overboard with protectionism, he might flipflop back to some of his originally (or still) held leftist beliefs (he still believes in socialized medicine for instance). We accept all these risks because the bigger risk is that he doesn't get to execute his other plans: the wall, the deportations, pushing back against the Muslims, injecting life back into American business with tax cuts etc, withdrawing from military gallivanting around the world, smashing political correctness and perhaps even the cultural left generally.

So yeah, criticism is fine, but if he actually puts any concerted anti-Trump effort in after the nomination then he can fuck off.

I agree that a cult of personality serves nobody.

But I'd rather have Trump than Clinton.

Apparently Shapiro would not:
I will never vote for @realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/705815819582726144
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

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Phoenix said:
^ I'll reserve my opinion until after the nomination. If he does persist in attacking Trump after that then yes, he's a cuck, but I don't think he will. His primary beef is that Cruz is more consistently and believably conservative, I think he's just naive to believe that's all it takes.

We should stop short of a cult of personality with Trump. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of risks with him: he basically has no real respect for privacy nor any qualms in pushing government intrusion further, he might go overboard with protectionism, he might flipflop back to some of his originally (or still) held leftist beliefs (he still believes in socialized medicine for instance). We accept all these risks because the bigger risk is that he doesn't get to execute his other plans: the wall, the deportations, pushing back against the Muslims, injecting life back into American business with tax cuts etc, withdrawing from military gallivanting around the world, smashing political correctness and perhaps even the cultural left generally.

So yeah, criticism is fine, but if he actually puts any concerted anti-Trump effort in after the nomination then he can fuck off.

I agree that a cult of personality serves nobody.

But I'd rather have Trump than Clinton.

Apparently Shapiro would not:
I will never vote for @realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/705815819582726144
He says he prefers Hillary over Trump in the White House. Unbelievable.
 

ElFlaco

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Shapiro is great on most topics but has a few blind spots, mostly driven by his commitment to Judaism and religious freedom. For example, he reflexively opposed Trump's call for a ban on Muslim immigration because that would contravene religious freedom.

His personality type is authoritarian. Rules and principles must be followed, never broken. Consistency is king. And I wonder if that kind of thinking comes naturally to a follower of a religion like Orthodox Judaism with its focus on absolutes and on compliance to rules and routines in daily living. Or maybe people with that personality type become the strongest adherents to their religion.

Shapiro claims to have been a world-class violinist at age 12, but I've heard his playing. It's okay but it doesn't compare to tons of Asian kids in that age range. He just can't see his delusions clearly.
 

Hank

Pigeon
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RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

ElFlaco said:
Shapiro is great on most topics but has a few blind spots, mostly driven by his commitment to Judaism and religious freedom. For example, he reflexively opposed Trump's call for a ban on Muslim immigration because that would contravene religious freedom.

His personality type is authoritarian. Rules and principles must be followed, never broken. Consistency is king. And I wonder if that kind of thinking comes naturally to a follower of a religion like Orthodox Judaism with its focus on absolutes and on compliance to rules and routines in daily living. Or maybe people with that personality type become the strongest adherents to their religion.

Shapiro claims to have been a world-class violinist at age 12, but I've heard his playing. It's okay but it doesn't compare to tons of Asian kids in that age range. He just can't see his delusions clearly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8mbA083hE
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Hades said:
I saw Ben Shapiro's argument against Piers Morgan. It was pretty good, he's one of not many conservatives who actually goes on the offensive and doesn't lose his shit the second he's confronted or slighted.

So this is the infamous video:
I recently saw a few short videos of Celebrity Apprentice because being on the Trump Train that tends to appear in my youtube suggestions. Seeing Piers made me think, well he was really good with Trump on the show, what about right now? He's a leftist shill who would be completely against everything Trump stands for, right? So I went digging and there were surprisingly good articles:

My VERY revealing Donald diaries: PIERS MORGAN's most intimate conversations with Trump offer a unrivalled insight into the man who may soon be US President


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-unrivalled-insight-man-soon-President.html

AUGUST 23, 2008

Interviewed Trump for GQ at his palatial mansion in Beverly Hills. Like his other homes that I’ve seen, it’s a monument to gold-encrusted decadence.

Away from the cameras, he was much calmer company, until I asked what he thought of President George W. Bush. ‘He’s set back this country 50 years!’ he raged.

‘After September 11, America had the chance to be the most popular country in the world, and instead, in a matter of weeks, that man destroyed it.

‘He purposely lied, and his lies got us into a war. I think he will go down as the worst President in the history of the country. A disaster.

‘Obviously we can make things up again, and recapture the glory. But right now, there is no glory for this country.’

‘If you are good with the media,’ he replied, ‘and you get a lot of coverage, I’m not sure money is that important.’

(He practised what he preached. Trump’s spent just $12 million on his 2016 campaign so far, but had at least $1 billion of free publicity by dominating the airwaves.)

He was scathing about Republican favourite Mitt Romney’s attempt to be Mr Nice Guy.

‘He made a concerted effort not to say anything bad about any of the candidates who said bad things about him. And in a certain way, I respect that.

‘But I believe you have to fight back. I always believe in fighting back. If somebody goes after you, you go after them.’

JUNE 13, 2013

Hillary Clinton, widely reported to be planning another presidential run, is being savaged over her role as Secretary of State in the Benghazi disaster where four Americans, including the ambassador, were killed by a mob at a US mission in Libya. ‘I’ve always liked Hillary,’ Trump told me tonight.

‘She and Bill are members of my club and they’re wonderful people. But she’s getting hit very hard. I think if this Benghazi stuff doesn’t stick, which perhaps it will and perhaps it won’t, she’s going to be the easy nominee for the Democrats. As for the Republicans, who knows?’

He also discussed Tea Party favourite, Senator Ted Cruz (now Trump’s main rival for the 2016 Republican nomination).

‘I’d hire him, he’s a smart guy.’

Why I’m so embarrassed today for Britain. The same parliament that hasn’t banned a single UK citizen from returning after fighting for ISIS is seriously debating banning Trump from its shores


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-seriously-debating-banning-Trump-shores.html

The reason they’re doing it is, of course, is because Trump recently called for a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the U.S. in the wake of an horrific mass shooting by two Islamic terrorists.

Like many, I didn’t agree with what Trump said and indeed, I wrote him an open letter at the time saying it was ‘dangerously wrong and bigoted’.

But to ban a foreign politician for expressing an opinion is utterly absurd. Particularly a foreign politician who stands an increasingly good chance of becoming leader of the world’s biggest superpower and Britain’s supposedly closest, most powerful ally.

Can you imagine a situation where President Trump, if he is elected, is actually banned? It would make Britain the laughing stock of the world, and confirm to Americans that we’re just as pathetically petty and small pond in our thinking as you’ve always suspected.

What was surprising was how good friends Piers and Donald were- which makes me think way more highly of the former and slightly worse of the latter. That probably was because they got to know each other well on the Celeb Apprentice.

What also was surprising was Donald thinking Hillary/Bill were good people... which raises a few eyebrows.

Amazing how one of the best conservative guys calling Muslims out etc turned out to be a total cuck and one of the most leftist/anti-gun/SJW shill and behind the phone hacking scandals etc turned out to be one of the saner voices in the UK. The Trump campaign is revealing people's true colors.
 

Sp5

 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Shapiro was white-knighting for Michelle Fields in the anti-Trump attention-whoring hoax she pulled - she claimed to have been assaulted and knocked down by Trump's campaign manager. Video has since proved this is false.

The hoax aligned with Shapiro because he's a chickenhawk neocon who opposes Trump. The neocons oppose Trump because he is an American nationalist and anti-interventionist who won't fight their wars (invade Syria, bomb Iran) on command.

Remember, Shapiro has been a military-age-male who has been cheerleading for more wars in the Middle East the last 15 years, but would not even get a reserve commission as a JAG or public affairs officer.

MikeCF (Cernovich) has called out this BS: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/13/michelle-fields-corey-lewandowski-trump-hoax/
 

Menace

Crow
Gold Member
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

The fundamental question to always keep in mind is: who is paying them? (Kind of like Sailer's Who? Whom?) The source of the salary dictates the beliefs.
 

El Chinito loco

Crow
Gold Member
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

People always cry anti-semitism but it's hard to deny there's a zionist agenda which neatly intersects with Republican neoconservatism. All you have to do usually is just look at the last name and what their political angle of the day is to know everything you need to know about where their loyalty lies. Hint: It's not America but Israel.

The fact is a lot of Jewish Americans in politics and on the sidelines as pundits or "journalists" are zionists first and foremost. They are ethnonationalists loyal to their tribal faction over the American people. When you call them out on it they start playing the race card and dredging up holocaust imagery. So convenient every time.
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist/status/709058513998192640

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armenia4ever

Kingfisher
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

Whether Shapiro has white knighted for Fields and has engaged in plenty of anti-Trump screeds is irrelevant. That also includes his commentary on the Rubin Report about how we should destroy racists financially.

When it comes to how to engage with the left on the issues, he is spot on. His videos on how to debate them have been excellent and should be applied not only to them, but to any opponent who is disingenuous in a debate.

A wise man gives credit where its due and critiques where it's necessary. Take in the good and throw out the bad. This is what you should do with anyone in the political sphere or you will never be able to learn, grow, and become better. This all or nothing approach is a mistake as is the "Throw the baby out with the bathwater."

No, I'm not jewish.
 
RE: Ben Shapiro on Anti-Leftist Tactics

armenia4ever said:
Whether Shapiro has white knighted for Fields and has engaged in plenty of anti-Trump screeds is irrelevant. That also includes his commentary on the Rubin Report about how we should destroy racists financially.

When it comes to how to engage with the left on the issues, he is spot on. His videos on how to debate them have been excellent and should be applied not only to them, but to any opponent who is disingenuous in a debate.

A wise man gives credit where its due and critiques where it's necessary. Take in the good and throw out the bad. This is what you should do with anyone in the political sphere or you will never be able to learn, grow, and become better. This all or nothing approach is a mistake as is the "Throw the baby out with the bathwater."

No, I'm not jewish.


His present actions completely contradict and invalidate nearly everything he's said in the past.

With his white knighting for Fields and Trump denialism, he's engaging in SJW tactics. And remember: SJW's always lie.
 
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