Aliblahba said:
Ali, I see how being an ex Marine affected your musical tastes hehe
The Best Band of All Times...The Beatles?
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Ali, I see how being an ex Marine affected your musical tastes hehe
Maybe I'm a little biased being a born and raised Californian who surfs but I always felt as if the Beach Boys had superior melody to the Beatles, and that Summer Days and Pet Sounds were as good as any Beatles album... but that is just opinion, music is highly subjective ofcourse
Just stumbled on this thread. Sorry for digging it up...
Just wanted to chip in. I have a pretty good taste in music. And I agree the Beatles are the most influential band ever.
But wow. Something about their music and lyrics. I hate every one of their songs. To me it all sounds like boring retarded nursery rhymes. There isn't a single Beatles song I like. Apart from the instrumental version of Blackbird (which is mostly ripped off from Bach). Even that song is ruined by its annoying twee lyrics.
Sorry - we should all get a pass from time to time. And with me it is 'The Beatles'. I just don't have an ear for them.
And - even if I was limited to the late 60's. I can still pick out better bands (to my ears) than The Beatles...
First you have Trees.
Along with the incredible (and widely regarded) album 'Astral Weeks' (1968) by Van Morrison. And the early work of Nick Drake. Along with the classic music of Motown - in particular the work of Marvin Gaye.
And then there is incredible shit like 'Misirlou' which came out the same year as 'Love me do' by 'The Beatles'...
You also have Caravan. Here are a couple of short songs from an early classic album by them.
And you have Fairport Convention as well...
And you have this epic song from Black Sabbath - from 1970.
And no - I don't like The Rolling Stones either...
And if you want some truly revolutionary music. Check out what Joe Meek was doing back in 1960. Released two years before 'The Beatles' released the mediocre teen-pop melody - 'Love Me Do.'
I think Phil Spector is a better shout for the most talented pop genius of the 1960's.
He wrote this song, 5 years before 'The Beatles' released 'Love Me Do'. You can see him playing guitar in the background - he is 18 years old in this video.
The song is called 'To know him, is to love him'. This is the epitaph on the gravestone of Phil Spector's father who killed himself when Phil Spector was just 5 years old.
And don't forget some of his other classics...
Along - with 'River Deep, Mountain High'. I first discovered this whilst watching a strange documentary by Adam Curtis (the best documentary maker in the world). The way he uses the song below really adds impact to the music. Below is a link to the correct part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOLH6l6FLY&t=4m45s
Like I say. I respect The Beatles. I just find it strange that I never liked them - when everyone else seems to love them.
And I like some of the solo work.
McCartney had some interesting early electronica in the early 80s. And 'My Sweet Lord' (by Harrison) is a great song. As is 'Imagine' (by Lennon).
Sorry for the long, random post! No hatin' intended!
Just wanted to chip in. I have a pretty good taste in music. And I agree the Beatles are the most influential band ever.
But wow. Something about their music and lyrics. I hate every one of their songs. To me it all sounds like boring retarded nursery rhymes. There isn't a single Beatles song I like. Apart from the instrumental version of Blackbird (which is mostly ripped off from Bach). Even that song is ruined by its annoying twee lyrics.
Sorry - we should all get a pass from time to time. And with me it is 'The Beatles'. I just don't have an ear for them.
And - even if I was limited to the late 60's. I can still pick out better bands (to my ears) than The Beatles...
First you have Trees.
Along with the incredible (and widely regarded) album 'Astral Weeks' (1968) by Van Morrison. And the early work of Nick Drake. Along with the classic music of Motown - in particular the work of Marvin Gaye.
And then there is incredible shit like 'Misirlou' which came out the same year as 'Love me do' by 'The Beatles'...
You also have Caravan. Here are a couple of short songs from an early classic album by them.
And you have Fairport Convention as well...
And you have this epic song from Black Sabbath - from 1970.
And no - I don't like The Rolling Stones either...
And if you want some truly revolutionary music. Check out what Joe Meek was doing back in 1960. Released two years before 'The Beatles' released the mediocre teen-pop melody - 'Love Me Do.'
I think Phil Spector is a better shout for the most talented pop genius of the 1960's.
He wrote this song, 5 years before 'The Beatles' released 'Love Me Do'. You can see him playing guitar in the background - he is 18 years old in this video.
The song is called 'To know him, is to love him'. This is the epitaph on the gravestone of Phil Spector's father who killed himself when Phil Spector was just 5 years old.
And don't forget some of his other classics...
Along - with 'River Deep, Mountain High'. I first discovered this whilst watching a strange documentary by Adam Curtis (the best documentary maker in the world). The way he uses the song below really adds impact to the music. Below is a link to the correct part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOLH6l6FLY&t=4m45s
Like I say. I respect The Beatles. I just find it strange that I never liked them - when everyone else seems to love them.
And I like some of the solo work.
McCartney had some interesting early electronica in the early 80s. And 'My Sweet Lord' (by Harrison) is a great song. As is 'Imagine' (by Lennon).
Sorry for the long, random post! No hatin' intended!
I know nobody likes my opinion on this. But I just want to point out what else was happening in the Summer of Love.
To give another example - in 1967 - the Velvet Underground released their debut album. As such - I realy don't think the Beatles were essential to the future evolution of pop and rock music.
To give another example - in 1967 - the Velvet Underground released their debut album. As such - I realy don't think the Beatles were essential to the future evolution of pop and rock music.
I don't really care about how any band "revolutionized music" or what their music inspired down the line - I just care whether it sounds good...but the Beatles don't.
There's a whole catalogue of bands/songs that are routinely put up there by aging music journos as "classics" but I just don't believe anyone under the age of 50 really likes these totally overrated pieces. Instead, they feel as though they're supposed to like them, and just nod along. Some examples off the top of my head:
Everything the beatles ever did.
Hotel California
American Pie
There's a whole catalogue of bands/songs that are routinely put up there by aging music journos as "classics" but I just don't believe anyone under the age of 50 really likes these totally overrated pieces. Instead, they feel as though they're supposed to like them, and just nod along. Some examples off the top of my head:
Everything the beatles ever did.
Hotel California
American Pie
Beatles = Best "commercial band"
Hardest Band of the 60's =
When Alpha goes Commercial, DOPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-HqcNum7M
Hardest Band of the 60's =
When Alpha goes Commercial, DOPE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-HqcNum7M
The Beatles just weren't all that rhythmically interesting. Oh, great, they played a song with some Indian rhythm patterns.
The Beatles sampled an Indian rhythm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQJUy9Do5uk
Those are tablas playing in teen tala, or a 16 beat cycle - the most analogous beat to the Western 4/4.
Zeppelin integrated an Indian rhythm into rock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOuzYvksRw
That drum and bass section shifts from a Western 4/4 to a teen tala structure (around 2:00) and back and forth, smoothly, all in a Western context.
It's the ability to steal something totally different and play it in your own context that truly makes a musician transcendent. Like when I saw Ravi Shankar stump his daughter by busting out a complex lick variant of 'Yankee Doodle' in the middle of an extended jhap tala improvisation.
The Beatles sampled an Indian rhythm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQJUy9Do5uk
Those are tablas playing in teen tala, or a 16 beat cycle - the most analogous beat to the Western 4/4.
Zeppelin integrated an Indian rhythm into rock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOuzYvksRw
That drum and bass section shifts from a Western 4/4 to a teen tala structure (around 2:00) and back and forth, smoothly, all in a Western context.
It's the ability to steal something totally different and play it in your own context that truly makes a musician transcendent. Like when I saw Ravi Shankar stump his daughter by busting out a complex lick variant of 'Yankee Doodle' in the middle of an extended jhap tala improvisation.
It's a very subjective title, greatest band of all time. But if Greatest has to do with most influential, most innovative and the most musically talented band of all time, it has to be the WHO. The Beatles were the most popular band of all time but Rock without the WHO would be like Blues-Rock without Cream or Guitar solo's without Clapton.
Hades said:
Now love is gay? :huh: Perhaps not ideal for most of us but unsure about your choice of words...
Besides, I think a lot of people were singing about love in those days. So them doing it doesn't exactly qualify them as the Beiber of their time, in my opinion.
cardguy said:
Fascinating picks.
I logged on to the forum to bitch about girls with my favorite He-Man Woman Haters Club. Instead I am wistfully thinking of my ex while listening to Fairport Convention.
Who knows where the time goes... (wipes tear).
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