@It_is_my_time Bless your patience, Deepdiver is still tilting at windmills and strawmen, taking the thread personally, refusing to cede one inch for his generations shortcomings... I'm 35, happily engaged with 2 houses and a great revenue stream. Haven't played video games since I was like, 12? Except for occasional Mario Kart with my nieces and nephews. Can't think of any of my friends who aren't doing decent, married with a house and kids as well. But like I keep saying, my qualms with the Boomers are not related to economics or war... I will give you this though Deepdiver, you are entertaining, and I loved you in the Big Lebowski.
a PCU reference! Amazing.... only need a Grosse Pointe Blank or Clerks one now to round out the eveningLooking for something like this (from PCU):
This is an amazing, quality, productive post- well done. One of the primary goals of this forum should be to help other young guys figure out careers who haven't done it yet, and a post like this should inspire a lot of the young guys. There's still a lot of good money to be made. Much better to encourage the Zoomers and support them, than to keep attempting to slander them when they've barely gotten into adulthoodI'll be more than happy to list them off for you my brother, I don't have a large circle of friends but I do have a massive amount of family so I'll go down the list off the top of my head of what they've been doing the past few years. I'm not going to name off people I don't know personally, just people I am close with.
I'll start by saying my entire family tree is off the boat, I am actually the first born male in the USA. My father and uncles came here with nothing, and when I say nothing I mean NOTHING. That's a whole other tangent so I won't go far into that because they made their bones in the 90's which doesn't count but I have a few aunts/uncles where the last of them got off the boat in the early 2000's so those are good examples, their kids especially. I can go into the things my uncles did and how they made it more in depth if you want but I don't think it's relevant, but I'll put it this way I have 10 aunts and uncles on my fathers side and not a single one of them is struggling and neither are they children, all extremely successful in some crazy businesses you would never expect some bad english speaking boaters to be involved in. My Mothers side is different yea some are wealthy but a lot of them are just bums, they don't want to work they just want it handed to them by their wealthy uncle.
Myself personally I do ecommerce, my father is the outlier out of all my uncles he never cared one bit to be wealthy or cared about having nice things that's just who he is. I worked my ass off, nothing came easy and I wasn't "lucky" with anything, in fact I was probably unlucky in every way you can imagine. I studied accounting which was a total waste of time and eventually ended up doing ecommerce. Well long story short two years ago I was ready to shut it all down and just go ask one of my uncles to run one of their hotels. Then covid happened and after the first two weeks where everyone was scared business absolutely exploded, I've never been busier and it has stayed that way and gotten better every month since. Before I was desperate to sell my business for next to nothing, I've since tripled the price and I have a contract for full asking in my hands ready to sign and I'm not sure if I'm going to because business is so good and I'm worried the money won't be worth much soon. This happened in the last two years, before that I was ready to go out of business.
My friend R who is 36 took a mortgage on a junk house in the almost hood a few years ago to grow weed in the basement, this is Michigan, before that he was working in a restaurant for hourly pay. He was doing okay he was late to the weed game by that time it was like buying yourself a job. Well housing exploded he sold that garbage house for 120k more than what he owed on the mortgage, then used the money to open a warehouse grow with the skills he had learned. He is making six figure profit every 2-3 months when he cuts down.
My friend D who is also 36 does construction, home remodeling to be specific. He has never been busier he has become known as the go to guy for luxury remodels and it's all in cash, he is perpetually terrified of the IRS but the guy has very quietly become a millionaire when before he was just a random guy who did construction.
D's brother C who is 39 does concrete, his business has followed suit with his brothers the guy didn't have a pot to piss in a couple years ago.
My friend P who is 42 does credit repair, he's pretty much a grifter but a legit one that provides a service. It's a service anyone can do on their own I believe but he's just really good at it. He has latched on with mortgage brokers and they send him clients, the guy doesn't do anything he travels the world and works from his laptop it's silly. He makes anywhere from 2-10k per head and it's pretty much just filing paperwork....his case is a really silly one the guy is just smooth. He was okay before he had a job as a low level engineer/tester at Chrysler but he quit that job 3 years ago to do this instead. Everyone thought he was crazy for doing that but he sure showed us.
My friend J who is 35 got lucky as shit in the stock market, all pretty much just Tesla. Nothing much to say about that some guys just get lucky, he does structured settlements full time barely makes 70k a year doing it but he's a millionaire from the stock market the past couple years or so.
My friend M who is 30 has a pizza place, a crappy low revenue that was barely paying the bills pizza place you could have probably purchased from him for the price of the equipment and assuming the lease. His business has quadrupled since covid started and he re-opened a location that his family owned that they closed down a few years ago.
My friend F who is 41 was doing some travel sales crap a couple years ago, making a halfway good living from it. He started working for some company that installs guards on gutters out of nowhere, he's making 5-10k a week now doing that. The guy is just a natural salesman, his is actually a really good example he had a going nowhere career and said screw it and started some new job going completely out of his comfort zone and it was the best thing he's ever done in his life financially.
My friend A who is 38 was pretty much a gopher for his wealthy brother in law making peanuts. Well being this gopher he developed a relationship with a lot of high ups in crooked Detroit. A used this to get on the inside to open a legit dispensary a few years ago, if you know anything about dispensaries any successful one is a license to print money....he has one of the top ones in the state.
Now on to my cousins, those are the fun ones!
My cousin "no initial" who is 31 got off the boat in the early 2000's, the guy speaks shitty english and I'm not going to lie he is dumb as a brick but man is he a go getter. He worked for me doing ecommerce for a couple years and I just can't tolerate stupidity, I had to let him go but it wasn't a bad breakup and I taught him a lot....he pretty much got a degree in ecommerce from me and couple that with his no shame approach when it comes to money it sure has worked out well. NI started selling weed paraphernalia he opened a giant warehouse in Detroit, not the people I want to deal with but he was doing well but the margins are so low on that china crap it's not like he was getting rich from it. Welllllll, he obviously had all the distribution network to all the smoke shops, stores, gas stations and dispensaries so a new vape company came to him and wanted him to be their exclusive distributor and he took that offer and bought a majority share in the company. I'm not going to say the name of the vape brand because you guys will all know it, you probably can guess it anyway, I'm still close with NI and hang out at his warehouse all the time and he hangs out at mine. His last order was for 8 figures and that's a regular monthly occurrence now. This guy who got off the boat with his family in the early 2000's, is dumb as a brick and speaks shitty english is a multi millionaire and the now majority owner of the biggest vape company in the world right now.
My cousin N who is 29 emulated my cousin NI and started his own vape brand, he's obviously not doing AS well as NI but he's become quite wealthy from it also. He just sent a model to a company and had them recreate it with some tweaks to make it his own brand. This cousin also got off the boat in the early 2000's, he was working in a liquor store a few years ago.
N's brother Na who is 31 tried to follow along with me in doing ecommerce. But while I did everything by the book Na did things a little differently, Na found some guy in the Northeast who was willing to counterfeit anything he sent him. Of course this would have been dumb and not sustainable for electronics or anything with a big name brand attached to it he found it rather profitable for ED pills, I've dabbled in the OTC ED pill market back in my early ecommerce days it's a very odd one. Products are super hot with a pretty much name your price market for them and then they die when the FDA catches up to them, well he did this for a few years selling these pills on Amazon until eventually it caught up to him and he had to shut it down. By that time he had made enough money to do what every boater does that has no other skills.....buy a liquor store! He bought a crappy one in the early 10's, remodeled it, bought a nicer one then bought super high end ones.....I think he has 5 now. Definitely not the business I want to be in I hate liquor stores but hey he's good at it and has become quite wealthy from it I guess covid has made them a strong business again, it's trade or retail.....nothing beats trade other than maybe real estate but that's a super rich game now.
My cousins S who is 30 and T who is 33 were buying and selling used cars, they opened a "B" lot in garbage Detroit a few years ago when everyone laughed at them because the used car game was dead. Eventually they started buying better cars and started doing financing, they have done quite well for themselves with it.
My cousin S who is 24......yes TWENTY FOUR. S wasn't much for college and when my uncles started buying up hotels they threw him in one to run it with a 25% stake just a job, you tell someone "hotel" they automatically think you're rich....no. Month to month a common hotel doesn't make huge sums of money but it's a super easy business and obviously you have a huge asset which will net you a wheel barrow full of money one day when you sell it. Well S was so proficient at running this hotel they gave him another to manage, then another......then he had his own money to buy into these hotels himself. I believe he owns a stake in half a dozen hotels right now and runs all of them, pretty much just barks orders at the managers.
I could go on, really I could. I could go down the line of all of my friends and cousins and list each one but I think you get the point. The main thing to take from this is that none of these guys relied on a degree, or a promotion.....or I think more to the point they didn't rely on anyone else they made it work for themselves instead of going by the boomer model of just clocking in for a crazy paying dummy work job then collection a pension. That model is dead, the boomer model is dead....forget about it and move on you have to adapt. I have relatives who are doctors and lawyers, multiple actually, but I don't even think that model works anymore. I don't think any of my doctor cousins are nearly as wealthy as my other cousins and the lawyers don't make squat in comparison.
I can also give you these examples:
My friend A who is P's younger brother from above is a tester/engineer at Chrysler he makes 6 figures, 5 years ago he probably had the best job out of all of us but we have all left him in the dust. He's not going to make more unless the company gives it to him, don't get me wrong it's great job obviously with big time benefits but unless he does things on the side he's never going to be wealthy from it. Well off yes definitely but not wealthy.
My cousin V is 30, never did anything his entire life but bounce from crappy food jobs and living off of everyone else. Making just enough money to wake up at 1pm everyday pay his personal bills and find somebody to get high with. V just recently decided he wanted to enter the real world because he found a girl who would actually marry him. V has no degree or skills whatsoever, started at a mortgage company last year at the bottom of the barrel and 3 months later was offered a 70k a year salary to be full time. That's going to be the rest of his life, nobody will ever take a risk on him or hand him anything because he has no work ethic and has never proven anything other than he's a bum and he's forever going to be a salary slave. I'm sure he'll move up in the company and not too far off he might get to 100k a year.
If that's what you want it's really not that hard to find, for me personally I would rather be dead.
There is also V's brother N, N is 34 and has done absolutely nothing nothing nothing with his life. N thinks he's a hood rat gangster, even though he grew up super spoiled in a wealthy community with every advantage. N at the age of 19 for some reason which none of us have ever been able to figure out was handed the keys to the hottest club in Detroit, his godfather was the owner. It lasted a few years and N lived the life of a rap/athlete/movie star while it lasted then when it ended N thought that was actually how life is supposed to be. N thought he was just going to make it he was just going to be rich and famous somehow, N is 34 and has no job no prospects no skills and gets by on everyone elses back living off of our lives still pretending he's a star. N blames it at all on nobody giving him an opportunity, tell me who in their right mind would give an opportunity to him?
I had a big heart to heart recently with N when he found out I was looking to open a new branch of my ecommerce business and he asked me if he could run it. I told him straight "N you have absolutely nothing to offer me or anyone else" and I gave him a blueprint if he wanted to climb out of the hole he is digging himself into further everyday. I wrote it down for him on the legal pad in my laptop bag (I'm always at work):
-You have no skills or prospects you have to get a normal job, maybe two, and work 70 hours a week
-After 2-3 years of living frugal you'll have a lot of money saved up
-You buy or partner up in a shitty business....anyone in our family can help him with that (or maybe you've moved up so high in the job you want to stay then all set....not what I would do)
-Business route you still work 70 hours a week but now you're making a lot more money and have collateral/equity
-You buy a better business now you're making real money
-Rinse and repeat
-Wealthy, enjoy your life
It would probably take you 5-7 years to get to that end goal, of course he'll never do this because he has no work ethic whatsoever and he thinks it's too late to start, it just is what it is.
I'll say one other thing, save for a couple outliers all these guys I know that made it recently work their tails off. That includes my multi national crazy business uncles....they all work 7 days a week everyone I know who is wealthy works 7 days week that's the real world not tv/internet/celebrities/athlete losers. Make all the jokes about boot straps that you want but if you're not willing to work and make it happen and you're sitting there waiting to find a better job because you think your degree should pay more or you think "boomers" are holding you down well.....you're just not going to make it.
Pick my brain all you want or pick me apart all you want, nothing makes me happier than to see people succeed especially young Christian men like ourselves who will do good in the world, and I truly do believe anyone can make it. It's just up to you how you want to live, I know plenty of people just happy to get by and there is nothing wrong with that but if you want more then don't blame anyone else. I don't care if that sounds like a motivational poster its the God honest truth.