The Boomer Question

Zach

Pigeon
Catholic
Whilst this is undoubtedly true, it's still on the current generation(s) shoulders that they took that up and ran with it. I think the whole 'blame generation [insert generation here]' for our problems is the wrong attitude. You get dealt a hand in life, how you play it is your responsibility. Some people who grow up in broken homes use that to spur them on to great success, others use it to perpetuate their own victim mentality and just become useless parasites. The difference is the attitude of the person.

Whining that the boomers messed everything up, whilst it might contain a lot of truth, doesn't achieve anything. What are we going to do about it? That is the question. Moping around and whining is not an option if you ask me.
No no no... The boomers don't just get let off the hook like that. They raised the millenials. The millenials simply listened to their advice. I agree with reconciling with the hand you're dealt and moving on, and forgiving, but the boomers need to know how terrible they were, and they need to repent. This is mostly their fault, simple as.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
This is a good post.

 

Trewolla

Robin
Protestant
One of the most common complaints of the Boomer generation starts out with, "The generation before the Boomers had it so bad that they babied the Boomer generation into what they became".

So right there they're reaching back a generation to explain why the Boomers are as they are. And you can continue going back generation after generation to see how one generation affected the behavior of the next. Yet the Boomer generation is singled out as *the* generation that caused all the world's woes.

For one thing, take it from a Boomer who was raised by a man who was chest deep in the combat which occurred in the Pacific. Hard core WW2 combat veterans didn't devote a lot of energy to "babying" their children. A large percentage of those men were badly scarred by their wartime experience and their Boomer children grew up learning how to cope with the behavior they demonstrated.

It can't be described as "babying". Believe me.

Also, the American generation which preceded the Boomers aligned with Stalin. Of course, it wasn't that *generation* which aligned with Stalin. It was the leadership of that generation. That generation was manipulated by their leadership just as every generation is.

But my point is, the same logic which blames the Boomer generation for whatever ills they released would also need to blame the previous generation for encouraging Bolshevik style Communism to be turned loose on the world--which would lead to the chain of events which led to the Vietnam war--which largely shaped the attitude of the Boomer generation.

You can go back generation after generation after generation to see what transpired which resulted in what we have today. I can't say where it began as far as America is concerned.

Maybe the Whiskey Rebellion? The Boston Tea Party? America's Civil War? Russia's Bolshevik Revolution?

Take your pick. But whatever is responsible for 21st century America started long before the Boomer generation arrived on the scene.
 
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Trewolla

Robin
Protestant
For a long time I listened to the Boomer hate without making a response. But Vox Day (who never misses an opportunity to profess his Christian bona fides) has spent several years calling for the murder of the entire boomer generation--which I think is a bit extreme.

Obviously, Vox Day practices a form of Christianity that I'm unfamiliar with since I can't recall the Messiah calling for the euthanization of a generation.

But in any event, Vox Day is an older member of Generation X and has become increasingly bald and wrinkled since he first launched his attacks on the Boomer generation. Consequently, he is occasionally referred to as a Boomer by Millennials and the Zoomer generation.

I guess what goes around comes around.

A decade or so ago, when he first started doing his anti Boomer rants, I cautioned Vox Day that if it ever bore fruit the young people wouldn't be checking IDs before they bashed an old man's head in with T-ball bat--but he didn't listen them and he won't listen now.

So let him continue to age and talk.

The Boomers will be gone soon. And if the young people of America ever decide that it's time to eliminate the older members of their society, people the age of Vox Day will be at ground zero for the young people's retributions.

The anti Boomer stuff is all crap, anyway. If anyone deserves to pay the price for the anti Boomer rhetoric, it's the older members of Generation X who stirred it all up in the first place.
 
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El Draque

Pelican
Orthodox
The Boomers got hit by the mother of all Psy-Ops that was the 60s Counter Culture. You can never let them off entirely, but when you look at Britain of the 60s, it was a veritable paradise of living standards and quality. Housing was cheap and abundant. Famously you could 'quit your job in the morning, and walk straight into a new one by lunchtime', disposable income for the young was theirs for the first time.

Throw LSD into the mix, freshly advertised & eulogised by the Tavistock Social Engineering Musical collobaration that the world knew as The Beatles & Rolling Stones, alongside their Satanic imagery and encoded Masonic references, and the novelty overload for the boomers was too much to resist.

Even if the vast majority never touched the stuff, the cultural aftershocks of it were felt, and with parrallel operation in US like Laurel Canyon, both sides were being hit. All this set the way for academia to be dynamited and rebuilt by Marxists, that we've come to known as CRT and LGBTWERTY priestessess.

The whole 'rock n roll' / counter culture scenes from the 60s on have been almost wholly socially engineering projects. Nothing ever rose to any kind of prominence without being green lit.

The Punk scene in the UK in the Late 70s was the same thing. A large disaffected youth, that could turn their anger towards politics and the destruction of their country, were given nihilism and empy headed agit prop Left Wing LARPing from likes of Joe Strummer (former Westminster Private Schoolboy, son of a Diplomat). Both the Sex Pistols and The Clash had (((managers))).

Then the 1980s acid house sceen was a rewrite of the late 60s, more Soma, more Tuning In and Dropping Out. Whole thing was like a sprawling early Transhumanist mind control cult. Apathy and hedonism order of the day. The Fabian society darling, Aldous Huxley would've loved it.

Then grunge and it's Punk rock but even more nihilistic revision show. Proto EMO worthlessness.

Britpop with its 60's goodtime LARPing, as Tony Blair opened the gates and flooded UK with the Third World.

Name ANY of stars of any of these bands, or artists that were genuinely Christian.... Outside of the Black soul and funk scene, which had its roots in Gospel, only Eric Clapton comes to mind.

Out of how many artists?

It's all a con, and the Boomers were the first to be hit, and arguably the hardest too.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
The majority of Boomers get the blame entirely for falling for the lie that was the cOuNtEr cUlUtUrAl (((lie))) and then expecting the prosperity for never ending.

They're nearly a full generation of grasshoppers. The boomer ants who held steady, invested in their kids, and had an interest in creating and passing generational wealth will survive.

The ones that divorced multiple times, divided their income, and told their kids, " you're on your own, get some bootstraps I'm spending all of my money to zero" deserve the wrecking that's coming their way.

I get a kick out of boomer grasshoppers who retort other generations by saying, "work with us for a solution, not against us " who fail to see that the only solutions mean they get less social security, medicare, pension payouts, and reduced value for their real estate by reigning in currency debasement and government taxes. Stopping welfare and 3rd world migration helps but the ultimate expense draining america are entirely boomer gibs.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Their biggest fault is that they have a certain pride in their achievements, rather than admitting that they were born when the West was in the huge, post-WW2 growth phase, they believe that their opportunities and material wealth were solely down to them. With this prideful mindset they have little sympathy for subsequent generations. But boomers, logically, are no different than any other generation. Given the same circumstances, you'd get the same outcome for any generation. To think differently is to flatter oneself, just like the boomers one is chastising. Better to face up to that fact and submit to Christ to pull the plank out of our eyes.
 

Trewolla

Robin
Protestant
The majority of Boomers get the blame entirely for falling for the lie that was the cOuNtEr cUlUtUrAl (((lie))) and then expecting the prosperity for never ending.

They're nearly a full generation of grasshoppers. The boomer ants who held steady, invested in their kids, and had an interest in creating and passing generational wealth will survive.

The ones that divorced multiple times, divided their income, and told their kids, " you're on your own, get some bootstraps I'm spending all of my money to zero" deserve the wrecking that's coming their way.

I get a kick out of boomer grasshoppers who retort other generations by saying, "work with us for a solution, not against us " who fail to see that the only solutions mean they get less social security, medicare, pension payouts, and reduced value for their real estate by reigning in currency debasement and government taxes. Stopping welfare and 3rd world migration helps but the ultimate expense draining america are entirely boomer gibs.
I'm a "generation Jones" Boomer--born more than a decade after the end of WW2. The classic Boomer generation (peace, free love, Woodstock) lasted from about 1966 to 1969. Boomers born during my time period was much too young to play a part in that mindset. My wife, who is a Boomer born in 1962 has no memory of it at all.

Basically, the "Boomer generation" that everyone chooses to point to lasted about 5 years--and even then it wasn't what it's been depicted as.

Basically, it was a fragment of a generation that didn't want to participate in conscription servitude.

When conscription comes around again, you'll see a much more virulent reaction from the generations which are subject to it. Especially since women will be included in it the next time it comes around.
 

Trewolla

Robin
Protestant
Their biggest fault is that they have a certain pride in their achievements, rather than admitting that they were born when the West was in the huge, post-WW2 growth phase, they believe that their opportunities and material wealth were solely down to them. With this prideful mindset they have little sympathy for subsequent generations. But boomers, logically, are no different than any other generation. Given the same circumstances, you'd get the same outcome for any generation. To think differently is to flatter oneself, just like the boomers one is chastising. Better to face up to that fact and submit to Christ to pull the plank out of our eyes.
I don't see that.

What I see is a group of people who were subjected to combat in the Vietnam war and are working to rationalize their honorable participation in it vs. the idea that it never should have happened in the first place.

It must be very difficult for them to reconcile.
 

Elipe

Pelican
Protestant
I don't think it's so much the boomers' past that is getting them so much hate, it is more their stubborn refusal to accept that the world has changed, and not for the better.

"OK Boomer" is a phrase of exasperation. When millennials and zoomers say that, they mean it in that they are tired of hearing the same old spiel from their boomer parents, other relatives, and acquaintances. Why are we tired? Because we've heard it for decades, the same old story ever since we were little kids. Yeah, yeah, Woodstock. OK Boomer. Yeah, yeah, Vietnam. OK Boomer.

A lot of boomers have an unfortunate tendency to navel gaze about the rosy-colored past and then attempt to offer advice to millennials and zoomers that is at least 20 years outdated. I say outdated because the circumstances of today are no longer the circumstances to which the advice could wisely apply. One famous example of such outdated advice that almost every millennial and zoomer can attest to receiving from boomers is on the subject of employment: just go to the building, meet the manager, make eye contact and shake his hand firmly, and you'll get the job. I still remember some of the news articles where boomers freshly out of a job were being reported as being flabbergasted that you couldn't even get an application for a job at the building. It's all online now.

The point is, that's a microcosm of the larger problem with boomers on average. That they think it's still the 1970's, that it's still party time for them. They still think that America is the same 'murica F Yeah thing it used to be for them. Even the "Let's Go Brandon" chant is classic boomerism because boomers still see politics as a sort of sporting event where they rah-rah for their team and boo the other team, even as Republicans bring in trannies as keynote speakers.

Younger men like myself look around and wonder why boomers haven't waken up to what is going on around them. My boomer parents have taken their booster shots, the 3rd shot, despite several efforts to draw them out into public unmasked to give them personal experience in being out and "exposed" to the big scary COVID so that they'd see what a paper tiger it is. But in spite of that, they're still paranoid about COVID because the talking bobble heads on their TV told them to be afraid of it.

Luckily, they seem to have received the nonlethal doses so far. I wonder if God will ever soften their hearts.

I'm starting to think that it has more to do with the fact that boomers are still riding on the gravy train they had in their youth, so they haven't been as hit hard by social changes as the younger generations. They're not as disillusioned as the younger generations because they had solid employment opportunities and easy money. Millennials graduated from college facing crippling student debts into a recession. Zoomers graduated from college into an oversaturated labor force facing down crippling student debts and degree inflation (a bachelor's degree is basically what a GED was 10 years ago). There's less reason for boomers to be dissatisfied, and thus less reason for them to look around and try to figure out what's wrong and why it all went wrong.

Consider RVF and the dating world. Most of us first came here because we were looking to understand women and how to navigate the dating world because the original way to approach it that we were taught wasn't working out. When things don't work, you start investigating. So the manosphere popped up trying to answer these questions.

But if you're riding a gravy train, there are no questions to be asked in the first place. If women just fall into your lap, you're not going to ask questions about feminism. If money just rains into your bank account and you get promoted to upper management just for smiling, you're not going to ask questions about the financial system or the system of labor. Crazy house prices? Not if you're the seller! Questions only get asked when there is a problem that needs to be solved. Boomers don't have these problems.

But the frustration with boomers come from the fact that many boomers refuse to recognize (or express that recognition) that millennials and zoomers (and descendants) have very serious, existential problems that call for large-scale solutions. Instead, we get the completely useless bootstrap speech from a generation who basically had it all handed to them on a silver platter because they lived in a boom. Just show up and firmly shake the manager's hand. The boom ended years ago, and you're still partying like it's the 70's.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
I'm starting to think that it has more to do with the fact that boomers are still riding on the gravy train they had in their youth, so they haven't been as hit hard by social changes as the younger generations.
When inflation makes their fixed income retirements worthless, they'll wake up. That time is coming rapidly, especially as the dollar becomes more and more debased. What kicks off the rapid return of dollars to the states is anyone's guess but it is coming.
The question truly is when boomers are faced with grinding poverty thanks to rampant inflation and collapsed supply chains, is how everyone else will react to their wailing and gnashing of teeth?
 

Trewolla

Robin
Protestant
I don't think it's so much the boomers' past that is getting them so much hate, it is more their stubborn refusal to accept that the world has changed, and not for the better.

"OK Boomer" is a phrase of exasperation. When millennials and zoomers say that, they mean it in that they are tired of hearing the same old spiel from their boomer parents, other relatives, and acquaintances. Why are we tired? Because we've heard it for decades, the same old story ever since we were little kids. Yeah, yeah, Woodstock. OK Boomer. Yeah, yeah, Vietnam. OK Boomer.

A lot of boomers have an unfortunate tendency to navel gaze about the rosy-colored past and then attempt to offer advice to millennials and zoomers that is at least 20 years outdated. I say outdated because the circumstances of today are no longer the circumstances to which the advice could wisely apply. One famous example of such outdated advice that almost every millennial and zoomer can attest to receiving from boomers is on the subject of employment: just go to the building, meet the manager, make eye contact and shake his hand firmly, and you'll get the job. I still remember some of the news articles where boomers freshly out of a job were being reported as being flabbergasted that you couldn't even get an application for a job at the building. It's all online now.

The point is, that's a microcosm of the larger problem with boomers on average. That they think it's still the 1970's, that it's still party time for them. They still think that America is the same 'murica F Yeah thing it used to be for them. Even the "Let's Go Brandon" chant is classic boomerism because boomers still see politics as a sort of sporting event where they rah-rah for their team and boo the other team, even as Republicans bring in trannies as keynote speakers.

Younger men like myself look around and wonder why boomers haven't waken up to what is going on around them. My boomer parents have taken their booster shots, the 3rd shot, despite several efforts to draw them out into public unmasked to give them personal experience in being out and "exposed" to the big scary COVID so that they'd see what a paper tiger it is. But in spite of that, they're still paranoid about COVID because the talking bobble heads on their TV told them to be afraid of it.

Luckily, they seem to have received the nonlethal doses so far. I wonder if God will ever soften their hearts.

I'm starting to think that it has more to do with the fact that boomers are still riding on the gravy train they had in their youth, so they haven't been as hit hard by social changes as the younger generations. They're not as disillusioned as the younger generations because they had solid employment opportunities and easy money. Millennials graduated from college facing crippling student debts into a recession. Zoomers graduated from college into an oversaturated labor force facing down crippling student debts and degree inflation (a bachelor's degree is basically what a GED was 10 years ago). There's less reason for boomers to be dissatisfied, and thus less reason for them to look around and try to figure out what's wrong and why it all went wrong.

Consider RVF and the dating world. Most of us first came here because we were looking to understand women and how to navigate the dating world because the original way to approach it that we were taught wasn't working out. When things don't work, you start investigating. So the manosphere popped up trying to answer these questions.

But if you're riding a gravy train, there are no questions to be asked in the first place. If women just fall into your lap, you're not going to ask questions about feminism. If money just rains into your bank account and you get promoted to upper management just for smiling, you're not going to ask questions about the financial system or the system of labor. Crazy house prices? Not if you're the seller! Questions only get asked when there is a problem that needs to be solved. Boomers don't have these problems.

But the frustration with boomers come from the fact that many boomers refuse to recognize (or express that recognition) that millennials and zoomers (and descendants) have very serious, existential problems that call for large-scale solutions. Instead, we get the completely useless bootstrap speech from a generation who basically had it all handed to them on a silver platter because they lived in a boom. Just show up and firmly shake the manager's hand. The boom ended years ago, and you're still partying like it's the 70's.
 

Trewolla

Robin
Protestant
I don't think it's so much the boomers' past that is getting them so much hate, it is more their stubborn refusal to accept that the world has changed, and not for the better.

"OK Boomer" is a phrase of exasperation. When millennials and zoomers say that, they mean it in that they are tired of hearing the same old spiel from their boomer parents, other relatives, and acquaintances. Why are we tired? Because we've heard it for decades, the same old story ever since we were little kids. Yeah, yeah, Woodstock. OK Boomer. Yeah, yeah, Vietnam. OK Boomer.

A lot of boomers have an unfortunate tendency to navel gaze about the rosy-colored past and then attempt to offer advice to millennials and zoomers that is at least 20 years outdated. I say outdated because the circumstances of today are no longer the circumstances to which the advice could wisely apply. One famous example of such outdated advice that almost every millennial and zoomer can attest to receiving from boomers is on the subject of employment: just go to the building, meet the manager, make eye contact and shake his hand firmly, and you'll get the job. I still remember some of the news articles where boomers freshly out of a job were being reported as being flabbergasted that you couldn't even get an application for a job at the building. It's all online now.

The point is, that's a microcosm of the larger problem with boomers on average. That they think it's still the 1970's, that it's still party time for them. They still think that America is the same 'murica F Yeah thing it used to be for them. Even the "Let's Go Brandon" chant is classic boomerism because boomers still see politics as a sort of sporting event where they rah-rah for their team and boo the other team, even as Republicans bring in trannies as keynote speakers.

Younger men like myself look around and wonder why boomers haven't waken up to what is going on around them. My boomer parents have taken their booster shots, the 3rd shot, despite several efforts to draw them out into public unmasked to give them personal experience in being out and "exposed" to the big scary COVID so that they'd see what a paper tiger it is. But in spite of that, they're still paranoid about COVID because the talking bobble heads on their TV told them to be afraid of it.

Luckily, they seem to have received the nonlethal doses so far. I wonder if God will ever soften their hearts.

I'm starting to think that it has more to do with the fact that boomers are still riding on the gravy train they had in their youth, so they haven't been as hit hard by social changes as the younger generations. They're not as disillusioned as the younger generations because they had solid employment opportunities and easy money. Millennials graduated from college facing crippling student debts into a recession. Zoomers graduated from college into an oversaturated labor force facing down crippling student debts and degree inflation (a bachelor's degree is basically what a GED was 10 years ago). There's less reason for boomers to be dissatisfied, and thus less reason for them to look around and try to figure out what's wrong and why it all went wrong.

Consider RVF and the dating world. Most of us first came here because we were looking to understand women and how to navigate the dating world because the original way to approach it that we were taught wasn't working out. When things don't work, you start investigating. So the manosphere popped up trying to answer these questions.

But if you're riding a gravy train, there are no questions to be asked in the first place. If women just fall into your lap, you're not going to ask questions about feminism. If money just rains into your bank account and you get promoted to upper management just for smiling, you're not going to ask questions about the financial system or the system of labor. Crazy house prices? Not if you're the seller! Questions only get asked when there is a problem that needs to be solved. Boomers don't have these problems.

But the frustration with boomers come from the fact that many boomers refuse to recognize (or express that recognition) that millennials and zoomers (and descendants) have very serious, existential problems that call for large-scale solutions. Instead, we get the completely useless bootstrap speech from a generation who basically had it all handed to them on a silver platter because they lived in a boom. Just show up and firmly shake the manager's hand. The boom ended years ago, and you're still partying like it's the 70's.
Actually,.... Boomers don't care how you choose to navigate the world.

We're not a part of it any longer--good riddance and good luck.
 

Early Bird

Robin
Catholic
Just a personal observation -- I find I have more in common with my grandparents generation than with the boomer generation. My hairstyle and clothing style, manner of speaking, social conservatism, appreciation for old things, etc. are the things my parents rebelled against. Most of those who came of age in the late 60's - mid 70's are still stuck in that mentality. It's like the revolutionary spirit of the Jews in a sense.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Actually,.... Boomers don't care how you choose to navigate the world.

We're not a part of it any longer--good riddance and good luck.
You sound just like my mother who is of the same cohort as you, also a late stage boomer, with similar hand washing tendencies. Sorry to say but your gen holds the wheel of power in government thanks to that large voting block. You're very much apart of this until the day you die or become too senile to remember.

Just a personal observation -- I find I have more in common with my grandparents generation than with the boomer generation. My hairstyle and clothing style, manner of speaking, social conservatism, appreciation for old things, etc. are the things my parents rebelled against. Most of those who came of age in the late 60's - mid 70's are still stuck in that mentality. It's like the revolutionary spirit of the Jews in a sense.
As do I. I literally sport mid century fashion, attitudes, and political opinions. will make a comeback.
 

Trewolla

Robin
Protestant


You sound just like my mother who is of the same cohort as you, also a late stage boomer, with similar hand washing tendencies. Sorry to say but your gen holds the wheel of power in government thanks to that large voting block. You're very much apart of this until the day you die or become too senile to remember.


As do I. I literally sport mid century fashion, attitudes, and political opinions. will make a comeback.
No one has any power over you that you don't give to them.

It's time to stop blaming your mother.
 

Brebelle3

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
I've been pounding and pounding away on my boomer Pop about the current world he's blind to.

He came out of the hospital last week after getting a blood test (I wouldn't go in with him because I'm not wearing a mask) and said "Son you'll be proud of me, I told the nurse I didn't want my booster shot, I only got a flu shot."

I just shook my head and thought, "I love you boomer."
 
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