The Boomer Question

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Sorry to revive this thread, but I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what exactly is a "Boomer". The simple answer is an American, born between 1946 and 1964. By that definition, I am a Boomer, being born in America, in 1961.

When you dig in, to understand the complaints against Boomers, I get lost. The accusations are all over the map. They ignored/promoted degeneracy. They abandoned religion. They abandoned hard work, for corporate fealty and dependence. They did not raise their kids, well. They spent themselves into nothing, leaving nothing for their kids. They are just takers, giving back nothing to their communities/neighbors.

So technically I am a Boomer, but I don't have the characteristics typically ascribed to Boomers. I grew up in rural North Texas. About 20% of the kids I went to school with, were milking cows at 5:00 am, before going to school. Football/Basketball practices were scheduled so that those same kids could get home for the evening milking. On game nights, their parents (also boomers) did what they had to do, so the kids could play. Those parents did well in leaving a fortune for their children.

I was not raised on a Dairy. I was raised on a ranch, and I all the same benefits, as being on a Dairy. Self-sufficient, hard-working, raise good kids, etc. But, I am a Boomer, therefore I am bad. I have always said bullshit to this, but I never had a good counter-argument.

I think I have finally found the counter argument. Boomers are not all Americans people born between 1946 and 1964. Instead, they are Americans people born between 1946 and 1964, that were the radical anti-war, anti-American, draft-dodging grifters of the 60/70's. They are now in power.

I found this article, that made it clear to me, why Boomers should be despised. Not based on just birth date, but also ideology. Here is a quote from the article:

This time, however, it's not Boss Daley's Chicago PD and the D.C. cops facing off against the undesirables and deplorables—it's the former undesirables themselves, now at the apogee of their political power, who are trying to throttle people they never thought they would actually have to meet in the flesh instead of the abstract: the working class.

Here is the link to the article. It never references boomers, and you have to read the whole thing, to understand my point.
Boomers are generally a generation of people, yes, but the term has also come to take on a connotation of one having a certain attitude. It's why zoomers like to call millennials boomers, for example. It's the selfish attitude of, "I've got my own" and "it ain't my problem". It's where you just put your head in the sand and hyper-focus on yourself at the expense of your society as a whole and especially your descendants and the future. There is also an element of a stubborn, strong trust in an informational infrastructure in spite of its credibility's free fall.

To end this post, I present a picture, that captures my youth. It is 1968, and I am 7 years old. Our town bank has been robbed. These dudes are not taking it well. Half of them are Boomers, and all of them were pissed. These are the men that raised me.
That's what boomers love to do, just pretend it's still 1968. Understandably, because that was a better time to be an American. But we can no longer afford the luxury of jumping into our mental time machines to go back to nostalgic times. What we have right now is the here and now, and yesterday can wait until we've finished with our urgent business today. And what we do today affects what our children and their children will experience tomorrow.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
It's where you just put your head in the sand and hyper-focus on yourself at the expense of your society as a whole and especially your descendants and the future. There is also an element of a stubborn, strong trust in an informational infrastructure in spite of its credibility's free fall.
Great summary and analysis. The following paragraph is great, too. That's exactly what they do.

I would say we shouldn't complain but give our expectation of what they should do, or what they should have done. I'm sad to say that they gave up being truly christian, and following the Way, for a materialist life. Whether they are guilty of that, truly, is another's decision or judgment. But it's what happened and why their progeny are paying for it in ways they can't even contemplate at this point.
 

planomustang

Sparrow
Agnostic
That's what boomers love to do, just pretend it's still 1968. Understandably, because that was a better time to be an American. But we can no longer afford the luxury of jumping into our mental time machines to go back to nostalgic times. What we have right now is the here and now, and yesterday can wait until we've finished with our urgent business today. And what we do today affects what our children and their children will experience tomorrow.

I am not pretending to live in 1968, nor do I live in a mental time machine. Living in the past is not coherent with living in the present. Remembering the past, and the men that formed you, is not a bad thing. I have tried my best to raise my son, like the men and women of my family and town raised me. I think I succeeded
 

The Beast1

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Sorry to revive this thread, but I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what exactly is a "Boomer". The simple answer is an American, born between 1946 and 1964. By that definition, I am a Boomer, being born in America, in 1961.

When you dig in, to understand the complaints against Boomers, I get lost. The accusations are all over the map. They ignored/promoted degeneracy. They abandoned religion. They abandoned hard work, for corporate fealty and dependence. They did not raise their kids, well. They spent themselves into nothing, leaving nothing for their kids. They are just takers, giving back nothing to their communities/neighbors.

So technically I am a Boomer, but I don't have the characteristics typically ascribed to Boomers. I grew up in rural North Texas. About 20% of the kids I went to school with, were milking cows at 5:00 am, before going to school. Football/Basketball practices were scheduled so that those same kids could get home for the evening milking. On game nights, their parents (also boomers) did what they had to do, so the kids could play. Those parents did well in leaving a fortune for their children.

I was not raised on a Dairy. I was raised on a ranch, and I all the same benefits, as being on a Dairy. Self-sufficient, hard-working, raise good kids, etc. But, I am a Boomer, therefore I am bad. I have always said bullshit to this, but I never had a good counter-argument.

I think I have finally found the counter argument. Boomers are not all Americans people born between 1946 and 1964. Instead, they are Americans people born between 1946 and 1964, that were the radical anti-war, anti-American, draft-dodging grifters of the 60/70's. They are now in power.

I found this article, that made it clear to me, why Boomers should be despised. Not based on just birth date, but also ideology. Here is a quote from the article:

This time, however, it's not Boss Daley's Chicago PD and the D.C. cops facing off against the undesirables and deplorables—it's the former undesirables themselves, now at the apogee of their political power, who are trying to throttle people they never thought they would actually have to meet in the flesh instead of the abstract: the working class.

Here is the link to the article. It never references boomers, and you have to read the whole thing, to understand my point.

To end this post, I present a picture, that captures my youth. It is 1968, and I am 7 years old. Our town bank has been robbed. These dudes are not taking it well. Half of them are Boomers, and all of them were pissed. These are the men that raised me.
Did you vote for either a Democrat or Republican in any national election before Donald Trump?

If so, you have a part of the blame for the current state of America.

Don't worry however. I voted for Hillary (2008 primary) and Obama before I knew any better so my hands aren't clean either.
 
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MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
Did you vote for either a Democrat or Republican in any national election before Donald Trump?

If so, you have a part of the blame for the current state of America.

Don't worry however. I voted for Hillary (2008 primary) and Obama before I knew any better so my hands aren't clean either.
This is not entirely fair. A lot of people have a philosophy that when a man (or woman) promises something, they will do their best to keep their promise. Maybe the person voted for someone based on promises and then the person reneged on the promises and without having a good reason to do so or even an apology.

Look at Obama as an example. He criticized the Iraq War and then he actually asked the Iraq government to stay longer (they said 'no' and he pulled out and made it seem that is what he wanted to do). He criticized the Patriot Act and then renewed it. He criticized Bush's overspending and then overspent at an even higher amount. He also changed his position on homosexual marriage.

Biden promised to cure cancer if he is elected. Imagine your wife has cancer, you might vote for him based on this promise and when he fails, you will feel bitter and cheated. Biden also promised to solve the Covid-19 crisis and bring unity to the nation. If you believed him, you might vote for him because you want the USA to go back to being normal.

The point is that we vote for people based on their plans for when they are elected. You can't blame people for voting based on this. The problem is that few politicians seem to want to keep their promises. We hold janitors and pizza delivery drivers to higher standards than we do politicians when it comes to this and that is a huge problem.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
A boomer making a post to talk about himself and how great he is while trying to argue he's not like the other girls.
He was trying to state that not all boomers are the same. There are good and bad boomers just as there are good and bad Millennials and Gen X-ers. I agree that the boomer generation failed overall and was quite selfish, but a millennial that is 35 and chooses to become a transsexual or hate his own race based on what a small percentage of people (and likely not even his own ancestors) did 200 years ago is a fool and he can't blame that on boomers.

A lot of young people complain about boomers having shipped good jobs overseas and making life hard on them (and some of these complaints are valid). However, while complaining about financial struggles, many choose to live in super expensive cities like NYC or San Francisco and buy the latest Apple phones while having a daily Frappuccino at Starbucks and an overpriced avacado wrap from a hip deli. Many create tinder accounts because they want sex without any relationship at all (basically treating each other like prostitutes without cash payments). We can't blame boomers for these choices that many younger people are making. They are choosing to be a more degenerate generation than boomers instead of raising the bar.
 

Carolus

Robin
Protestant
He was trying to state that not all boomers are the same. There are good and bad boomers just as there are good and bad Millennials and Gen X-ers.
Thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea.
#NotAllBoomers

Blah blah blah transsexual blah blah blah NYC blah blah blah iphones blah blah blah Starbucks blah blah blah avacado toast. Tinder is bad.
Amazing.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to make a forum post to tell people I don't know on the internet that while some Millennials are bad, I'm not like those Millennials, I'm actually amazing. Then I'm going to talk about myself some more and about how different I am (it is important that people I don't know on the internet are aware of this). Because, while some Millennials are self-absorbed to the point of parody, I am totally not like that. And I'm going to prove it by talking about myself.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I think the problem with the Boomers is they lived in an America that was materially at it’s best. They were born into a country that had a 90 percent white population, where most businesses were closed on Sundays, the overwhelming majority of the population was Christian and attended at least a Sunday service weekly. Homosexuality was virtually unknown and unheard of. There was little to no sexual promiscuity, porn or premarital sex. Divorce was rare. Women mostly did not work but instead took care of hearth and home. Any movie could be watched by anyone at any age because they didn’t have nudity, glorify crime, encourage sexual degeneracy, show excessive violence or blood. Crime was low. Even in a place like Brooklyn people could not lock their doors and be fairly certain of not being robbed, even stores did not need to have protective gates after closing. I could go on. But they threw it all away. To be fair they were enabled by their parents the so called greatest generation( see WW2 red pill thread to debunk that label).
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
He was trying to state that not all boomers are the same. There are good and bad boomers just as there are good and bad Millennials and Gen X-ers. I agree that the boomer generation failed overall and was quite selfish, but a millennial that is 35 and chooses to become a transsexual or hate his own race based on what a small percentage of people (and likely not even his own ancestors) did 200 years ago is a fool and he can't blame that on boomers.

A lot of young people complain about boomers having shipped good jobs overseas and making life hard on them (and some of these complaints are valid). However, while complaining about financial struggles, many choose to live in super expensive cities like NYC or San Francisco and buy the latest Apple phones while having a daily Frappuccino at Starbucks and an overpriced avacado wrap from a hip deli. Many create tinder accounts because they want sex without any relationship at all (basically treating each other like prostitutes without cash payments). We can't blame boomers for these choices that many younger people are making. They are choosing to be a more degenerate generation than boomers instead of raising the bar.
It's like neither side as a whole wants to take responsibility for why things are so bad now when in reality both should be sharing the blame and working together to make things better but that's not what's happening..
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I think the problem with the Boomers is they lived in an America that was materially at it’s best. They were born into a country that had a 90 percent white population, where most businesses were closed on Sundays, the overwhelming majority of the population was Christian and attended at least a Sunday service weekly. Homosexuality was virtually unknown and unheard of. There was little to no sexual promiscuity, porn or premarital sex. Divorce was rare. Women mostly did not work but instead took care of hearth and home. Any movie could be watched by anyone at any age because they didn’t have nudity, glorify crime, encourage sexual degeneracy, show excessive violence or blood. Crime was low. Even in a place like Brooklyn people could not lock their doors and be fairly certain of not being robbed, even stores did not need to have protective gates after closing. I could go on. But they threw it all away. To be fair they were enabled by their parents the so called greatest generation( see WW2 red pill thread to debunk that label).
This is precisely it. There is a lot of blame and reasoning around these boards and posts, because we all like to analyze and feel in some sort of control in explaining it all. You could just as easily "blame God" for creating a human ecology/society/predisposition on a population scale for being so malleable and able to be manipulated. How many people don't go with the current? How many people are truly special? We like to think we all are, and in our own ways might be, but history is clear: you adapt to your surroundings. That's why I don't find the silent generation, the world war guys, the boomers, gen X, or anyone else to be anything special big picture - they either inherited, en masse, a good or bad situation and adapted. What makes the modern day different is the dysgenics that were created through the good times and USD/Fed/welfare system in the USA, or "socialism" in post WWII Europe. And if you say that makes the quality of the person different, it still stems from the circumstances of everyone having the ability, through the former environment, to have kids and a standard of living not afforded to that may people over the history of time. Which brings us to today, and the re-balancing, so to speak. I think people are under a delusion, largely since they are manifold and don't understand much due to propaganda and the dysgenics, that what happened in the last 80 years isn't a total aberration for humans. And yes, that's scary on multiple levels.
 

The Beast1

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
This is not entirely fair. A lot of people have a philosophy that when a man (or woman) promises something, they will do their best to keep their promise. Maybe the person voted for someone based on promises and then the person reneged on the promises and without having a good reason to do so or even an apology.

Look at Obama as an example. He criticized the Iraq War and then he actually asked the Iraq government to stay longer (they said 'no' and he pulled out and made it seem that is what he wanted to do). He criticized the Patriot Act and then renewed it. He criticized Bush's overspending and then overspent at an even higher amount. He also changed his position on homosexual marriage.

Biden promised to cure cancer if he is elected. Imagine your wife has cancer, you might vote for him based on this promise and when he fails, you will feel bitter and cheated. Biden also promised to solve the Covid-19 crisis and bring unity to the nation. If you believed him, you might vote for him because you want the USA to go back to being normal.

The point is that we vote for people based on their plans for when they are elected. You can't blame people for voting based on this. The problem is that few politicians seem to want to keep their promises. We hold janitors and pizza delivery drivers to higher standards than we do politicians when it comes to this and that is a huge problem.
No, it is. Because that same "pHiLosPhY" has been blasted by both demkcrats and republican political parties during every election cycle since the 70s.

Yet no one thought, hmm maybe time to vote for a 3rd party.

And don't write nonsense about how the 2 party system is the only way and you have to vote for, "your guy" to get maybe something. It's not.

Greens, communists, and lolbertarians for faithfully voted for their parties have less blame for the state of the country since they tried to change the course through other non traditional parties.

If you're still voting for a Republican or Democrat, you are to blame for the mess this country is in.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
I think the problem with the Boomers is they lived in an America that was materially at it’s best. They were born into a country that had a 90 percent white population, where most businesses were closed on Sundays, the overwhelming majority of the population was Christian and attended at least a Sunday service weekly. Homosexuality was virtually unknown and unheard of. There was little to no sexual promiscuity, porn or premarital sex. Divorce was rare. Women mostly did not work but instead took care of hearth and home. Any movie could be watched by anyone at any age because they didn’t have nudity, glorify crime, encourage sexual degeneracy, show excessive violence or blood. Crime was low. Even in a place like Brooklyn people could not lock their doors and be fairly certain of not being robbed, even stores did not need to have protective gates after closing. I could go on. But they threw it all away. To be fair they were enabled by their parents the so called greatest generation( see WW2 red pill thread to debunk that label).
  1. Homosexuality wasn't unknown and unheard of, it was just kept behind closed doors. Especially in the D.C. beltway, it was actually pretty rampant but kept hushed up. Enacting state-sanctioned homosexuality wasn't about starting to do it, but about getting it out in the open. And all things considered, it was an effective barometer for Satan to determine when it was time for him to openly start moving with regard to the Great Reset.
  2. Divorce was not rare in the Boomers' heyday; in fact, the Boomers were the ones that drove divorce statistics to their highest point. Even millennials do not divorce at the rate Boomers did. Though granted, millennials aren't getting married to begin with, so that might be a moot point anyway. But what is significant is that as Boomers got into their marriageable years, divorce rates did skyrocket.
  3. I think older movies actually tended to have more displays of T&A. I'm thinking of '80s movies like Conan. R-rated movies were R-rated back then more because of the nudity than gore, but newer R-rated movies tend to be R-rated more for the profanity and gore. Women in movies were also more like sex idols in the older days than they are now. Consider the James Bond movies, a mainstay of Boomer titillation. It's also worth mentioning that back then, there was more of a fascination with the European perspective on nudity as a non-issue. People would talk about how casual the Europeans were about being nude around other people, not like America where you had "those Puritan roots". This also showed up in some of the movies back then. I'm sure that Europe has since then became more prudish as the cultures there have become more Americanized and dare I say, Islamized.
The Boomers did live in an outwardly better America, but at the same time, the rot was definitely festering under the shiny sheen of materialism, up in which the Boomers did get caught.

The point is that we vote for people based on their plans for when they are elected. You can't blame people for voting based on this. The problem is that few politicians seem to want to keep their promises. We hold janitors and pizza delivery drivers to higher standards than we do politicians when it comes to this and that is a huge problem.
You do have to admit, though, that after so many election cycles where the voters were blatantly and cavalierly disappointed, voters should have learned their lesson. Gullibility is not a character flaw of the deceiver, but of the deceived. That is why in the Bible we are commanded to be shrewd as serpents. Shrewd is the opposite of gullible. We must be shrewd so that we can recognize deceit and call it out, and act accordingly. We don't blame Lucy so much for pulling the ball from Charlie Brown as he is the one that keeps insisting on trying to kick it. All he has to do is STOP! But he just can't bring himself to stop trying, or to have someone else hold the ball.

Even the Kabbalistic Jews have literature in which they gloat over goyim who keep falling for the same tricks. It is also part of the basis for the term itself, goyim which means cattle, in that because people keep falling for the same tricks the Jews see them as cattle. They believe that the goyim deserve their fate as cattle because they are stupid and gullible. It's evil logic, but it's easy to see why a misanthrope like a member of the Synagogue of Satan would follow it.

All people have to do is realize that they're being played. Even vapid girls on online dating websites should have some capacity for this, as so many of their profiles had some variant of "I'm done playing games with men" (at least, as of before I got married). Even my dog is capable of learning from being tricked.

But voters keep voting, despite knowing fully well that almost none of the politicians' promises will be delivered. I don't think it's naivete so much as it is laziness. Voting is a lazy way of enacting political change, and it fools you into thinking you're accomplishing something, so you can just go out for 20 minutes, drop in a ballot, come back home and feel like you've done something.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I
  1. Homosexuality wasn't unknown and unheard of, it was just kept behind closed doors. Especially in the D.C. beltway, it was actually pretty rampant but kept hushed up. Enacting state-sanctioned homosexuality wasn't about starting to do it, but about getting it out in the open. And all things considered, it was an effective barometer for Satan to determine when it was time for him to openly start moving with regard to the Great Reset.
  2. Divorce was not rare in the Boomers' heyday; in fact, the Boomers were the ones that drove divorce statistics to their highest point. Even millennials do not divorce at the rate Boomers did. Though granted, millennials aren't getting married to begin with, so that might be a moot point anyway. But what is significant is that as Boomers got into their marriageable years, divorce rates did skyrocket.
  3. I think older movies actually tended to have more displays of T&A. I'm thinking of '80s movies like Conan. R-rated movies were R-rated back then more because of the nudity than gore, but newer R-rated movies tend to be R-rated more for the profanity and gore. Women in movies were also more like sex idols in the older days than they are now. Consider the James Bond movies, a mainstay of Boomer titillation. It's also worth mentioning that back then, there was more of a fascination with the European perspective on nudity as a non-issue. People would talk about how casual the Europeans were about being nude around other people, not like America where you had "those Puritan roots". This also showed up in some of the movies back then. I'm sure that Europe has since then became more prudish as the cultures there have become more Americanized and dare I say, Islamized.
The Boomers did live in an outwardly better America, but at the same time, the rot was definitely festering under the shiny sheen of materialism, up in which the Boomers did get caught.


You do have to admit, though, that after so many election cycles where the voters were blatantly and cavalierly disappointed, voters should have learned their lesson. Gullibility is not a character flaw of the deceiver, but of the deceived. That is why in the Bible we are commanded to be shrewd as serpents. Shrewd is the opposite of gullible. We must be shrewd so that we can recognize deceit and call it out, and act accordingly. We don't blame Lucy so much for pulling the ball from Charlie Brown as he is the one that keeps insisting on trying to kick it. All he has to do is STOP! But he just can't bring himself to stop trying, or to have someone else hold the ball.

Even the Kabbalistic Jews have literature in which they gloat over goyim who keep falling for the same tricks. It is also part of the basis for the term itself, goyim which means cattle, in that because people keep falling for the same tricks the Jews see them as cattle. They believe that the goyim deserve their fate as cattle because they are stupid and gullible. It's evil logic, but it's easy to see why a misanthrope like a member of the Synagogue of Satan would follow it.

All people have to do is realize that they're being played. Even vapid girls on online dating websites should have some capacity for this, as so many of their profiles had some variant of "I'm done playing games with men" (at least, as of before I got married). Even my dog is capable of learning from being tricked.

But voters keep voting, despite knowing fully well that almost none of the politicians' promises will be delivered. I don't think it's naivete so much as it is laziness. Voting is a lazy way of enacting political change, and it fools you into thinking you're accomplishing something, so you can just go out for 20 minutes, drop in a ballot, come back home and feel like you've done something.
I was referring to the world the boomers were born into not the one they lived their adult lives in. So yes divorce was rare. I really don’t know how old you are but as a young adult in the 1980’s I never came into contact with a homosexual or really thought much about them at all. And the 80’s had already fallen way below the standards of the 50’s. Movies I was referring to pre 1960 movies as opposed to post 1960. While it is true, I almost want to laugh when Conan is called an old movie.
 

RWIsrael

Woodpecker
Jewish
On an individual level I think most boomers are not to blame for generational shifts societal trends and macro-economic changes.
They lived during their time and made the best of it, some for better some for worse. I don't blame any specific person for not burning down the country and marching on Washington DC when they saw something they didn't like. Even the most honest down to earth country folk didn't do that, they let them big city politicians and bankers play their games which ultimately affect us all.

Some of us younger generation have this image of the carefree boomer with a secure pension and a golden parachute / retirement home who never hires you and never retires from his comfy Board of Director position, lecturing us about world hunger while outsourcing our jobs and enforcing or allowing the latest equality agendas. That's not really a fair representation of people all of which try to navigate this life with the tools and background they've been given.

Some of this sentiment I think comes from jealousy and entitlement (we have it so hard and boomers have it so easy and are screwing us over), some from legitimate problems that most boomers are clueless about such as the challenges facing younger generations - from student loans, the nightmare of navigating corporate HR to find a job hired, to having little to no "career" prospects to struggling to have savings and a pension and saving for retirement.

They really are clueless about the younger generation, they do tend to believe politicians and stick to outdated ideas of what the world is / America is, and they can sound condescending telling a Gen-Xer to just work harder or just invest in real estate or just have pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

All in all I don't resent boomers for their good fortune and opportunities they had, squandered or not, I just do not intend to take any life advice from them on how to navigate the world and be successful.
 
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MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
I

I was referring to the world the boomers were born into not the one they lived their adult lives in. So yes divorce was rare. I really don’t know how old you are but as a young adult in the 1980’s I never came into contact with a homosexual or really thought much about them at all. And the 80’s had already fallen way below the standards of the 50’s. Movies I was referring to pre 1960 movies as opposed to post 1960. While it is true, I almost want to laugh when Conan is called an old movie.
I think it depended on where you lived. Remember that in the late 1960's, things in large cities had already fallen quite a bit. Look at the famous homosexual riots in 1969 in NYC. Think about Woodstock and the heavy marijuana use in cities. I think the silent generation has escaped a lot of blame when many of the hippies and most beatniks were members of this generation.

Also, think about the 1920's in large cities. There were a lot of issues with crime, prostitution, and even drug use. Berlin, Chicago, and Paris were known to be quite degenerate.

The Hays code was created in response to degeneracy in movies. This code definitely helped keep movies clean and is likely a reason the quality of movies was pretty decent at that time.
 
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