The Boomer Question

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I think it depended on where you lived. Remember that in the late 1960's, things in large cities had already fallen quite a bit. Look at the famous homosexual riots in 1969 in NYC. Think about Woodstock and the heavy marijuana use in cities. I think the silent generation has escaped a lot of blame when many of the hippies and most beatniks were members of this generation.

Also, think about the 1920's in large cities. There were a lot of issues with crime, prostitution, and even drug use. Berlin, Chicago, and Paris were known to be quite degenerate.

The Hays code was created in response to degeneracy in movies. This code definitely helped keep movies clean and is likely a reason the quality of movies was pretty decent at that time.
I feel that the designation Boomer covers too broad a spectrum of years. The heart of the Boomer generation was from 1947 to 1957. These are the people that would have experienced the changeover from a moral Christian drug free society into the very opposite.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
I feel that the designation Boomer covers too broad a spectrum of years. The heart of the Boomer generation was from 1947 to 1957. These are the people that would have experienced the changeover from a moral Christian drug free society into the very opposite.
However, think about movies like 'Blackboard Jungle' and the rise of controversial music (like Elvis) as the beatnik culture in the 1950's. Also, a baby boomer born in 1955 would only be 12-15 when the hippies were a major force among the American youth (especially university students). The early boomers that lived away from cities would have had a pretty clean childhood (and likely from a stable family) up to high school graduation which is a huge advantage. However, many high school graduates in 1964-1965 (likely the major years when American decided to start a major transformation from clean to degenerate) would still not be fully mature enough to avoid the temptations of the counterculture movement. Many people don't really mature until their early 20's (and that is if they had a decent upbringing).

"Beatniks—sought out experiences that were more intensely "real." Sometimes "real" experiences meant physical pleasures such as sex and drugs or more spiritual pursuits such as Eastern religions, particularly Buddhism."


Even in 1966, drug use was already a huge problem (and most of these users were the silent generation):

 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
However, think about movies like 'Blackboard Jungle' and the rise of controversial music (like Elvis) as the beatnik culture in the 1950's. Also, a baby boomer born in 1955 would only be 12-15 when the hippies were a major force among the American youth (especially university students). The early boomers that lived away from cities would have had a pretty clean childhood (and likely from a stable family) up to high school graduation which is a huge advantage. However, many high school graduates in 1964-1965 (likely the major years when American decided to start a major transformation from clean to degenerate) would still not be fully mature enough to avoid the temptations of the counterculture movement. Many people don't really mature until their early 20's (and that is if they had a decent upbringing).

"Beatniks—sought out experiences that were more intensely "real." Sometimes "real" experiences meant physical pleasures such as sex and drugs or more spiritual pursuits such as Eastern religions, particularly Buddhism."


Even in 1966, drug use was already a huge problem (and most of these users were the silent generation):

The problems of the 60’s had there roots in the promotion of Rock n Roll, the idea of the teenager, subtle degenerate figures like Elvis and the beatniks begun in the 50’s but still the culture was relatively clean. Have you ever watched old TV shows from the 50’s and 60’s much different than what came after. Same thing for movies. The Boomers embraced the changes knowingly or unknowingly. We didn’t get to where we are today overnight.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
The problems of the 60’s had there roots in the promotion of Rock n Roll, the idea of the teenager, subtle degenerate figures like Elvis and the beatniks begun in the 50’s but still the culture was relatively clean. Have you ever watched old TV shows from the 50’s and 60’s much different than what came after. Same thing for movies. The Boomers embraced the changes knowingly or unknowingly. We didn’t get to where we are today overnight.
I do agree that TV and movies were clean in the 1950's and 1960's. However, think about who was in charge of the New Hollywood Era and the Rural Purge in the 1960's and 1970's. Notice many of the actors in films like 'Easy Rider' and 'The Graduate' (considered early and important films for the new era) are from the silent generation. Also, the executives responsible for the rural purge were born in the 1920's.

Who are the parents of boomers? Why didn't they do a better job raising their kids? Maybe the greatest generation was too materialistic. The greatest generation created car friendly suburbs which killed communities, got the USA into the Vietnam War, created the welfare programs, passed easy divorce laws (Reagan was very guilty of this), etc...

I am not trying to defend boomers by the way. I agree that many willingly embraced the changes but often with encouragement from their elders (such as greedy TV executives and corrupt university professors and charismatic cult leaders like Charles Manson). I will blame boomers for making things worse and creating the entitled and tyrannical and quite dangerous Gen X and Millennials (both with many exceptions) who will deserve hatred from the next 2 generations down the line because they are making things worse.


 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I do agree that TV and movies were clean in the 1950's and 1960's. However, think about who was in charge of the New Hollywood Era and the Rural Purge in the 1960's and 1970's. Notice many of the actors in films like 'Easy Rider' and 'The Graduate' (considered early and important films for the new era) are from the silent generation. Also, the executives responsible for the rural purge were born in the 1920's.

Who are the parents of boomers? Why didn't they do a better job raising their kids? Maybe the greatest generation was too materialistic. The greatest generation created car friendly suburbs which killed communities, got the USA into the Vietnam War, created the welfare programs, passed easy divorce laws (Reagan was very guilty of this), etc...

I am not trying to defend boomers by the way. I agree that many willingly embraced the changes but often with encouragement from their elders (such as greedy TV executives and corrupt university professors and charismatic cult leaders like Charles Manson). I will blame boomers for making things worse and creating the entitled and tyrannical and quite dangerous Gen X and Millennials (both with many exceptions) who will deserve hatred from the next 2 generations down the line because they are making things worse.


I did mention the so called Greatest Generation in an earlier post. They are largely responsible maybe more so than the Boomers. I was just saying the Boomers embraced the change. Also the Greatest Generation helped spread International Communism both through shear naïveté, the defeat of it’s opponents in WW2 and the entitled arrogance and materialism that followed.
 

planomustang

Sparrow
Agnostic
Did you vote for either a Democrat or Republican in any national election before Donald Trump?

If so, you have a part of the blame for the current state of America.

Don't worry however. I voted for Hillary (2008 primary) and Obama before I knew any better so my hands aren't clean either.
The only president I ever voted for was Trump.

The people you need to have a problem with, is those to supported candidates that voted in the congressional and presidential elections that supported this: https://www.history.com/news/immigration-act-1965-changes

I was four years old at the time, so don't blame me.
 

planomustang

Sparrow
Agnostic
He was trying to state that not all boomers are the same. There are good and bad boomers just as there are good and bad Millennials and Gen X-ers. I agree that the boomer generation failed overall and was quite selfish, but a millennial that is 35 and chooses to become a transsexual or hate his own race based on what a small percentage of people (and likely not even his own ancestors) did 200 years ago is a fool and he can't blame that on boomers.

A lot of young people complain about boomers having shipped good jobs overseas and making life hard on them (and some of these complaints are valid). However, while complaining about financial struggles, many choose to live in super expensive cities like NYC or San Francisco and buy the latest Apple phones while having a daily Frappuccino at Starbucks and an overpriced avacado wrap from a hip deli. Many create tinder accounts because they want sex without any relationship at all (basically treating each other like prostitutes without cash payments). We can't blame boomers for these choices that many younger people are making. They are choosing to be a more degenerate generation than boomers instead of raising the bar.
Marty,

Thanks for that. You get it. If boomers are just based on age, then you just lump a bunch of folks into a bucket, you don't like. Boomers, Gen-XYZ, etc. are not homogeneous pots.
 

The Beast1

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
The only president I ever voted for was Trump.

The people you need to have a problem with, is those to supported candidates that voted in the congressional and presidential elections that supported this: https://www.history.com/news/immigration-act-1965-changes

I was four years old at the time, so don't blame me.
Nah I'm going to. Not voting for viable 3rd parties to undo the damage down by your elders is as bad as continually voting for Democrats and Republicans. I also doubt you didn't vote in any other elections but I'll have to take your word for it.

At least you voted for Trump. Sounds like you have some wherewithal to realize things are getting bad.

But what marks you as an obviously stereotypical boomer is your religious label, "agnostic". An agnostic is literally the most wishy washy answer possible. An atheist at least denies God fully, an agnostic is just a coward who can't pick.

You're not going to get any quarter in this thread mate.
 
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Spro23

 
Banned
Catholic
They completely don't care what will happen to their grandchildren. Doesn't even cross their minds.
My dad has gone to church every Sunday for 61 years, never even missed a holy day of obligation. Doesn't drink, got married young, never had a wild party phase, etc..

I show him footage of cities turning into non-white hellholes, and when he finally starts to agree it's getting bad he says "oh well I won't be around so I don't care".

My other uncle watches church service remotely because he says it's dangerous with the virus, but he has season tickets to an elite college basketball team and he goes to games with a mask on. He'll go to sportsball but not church

They are awful people as a whole. At least Asians don't hate their own people.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
They completely don't care what will happen to their grandchildren. Doesn't even cross their minds.
My dad has gone to church every Sunday for 61 years, never even missed a holy day of obligation. Doesn't drink, got married young, never had a wild party phase, etc..

I show him footage of cities turning into non-white hellholes, and when he finally starts to agree it's getting bad he says "oh well I won't be around so I don't care".

My other uncle watches church service remotely because he says it's dangerous with the virus, but he has season tickets to an elite college basketball team and he goes to games with a mask on. He'll go to sportsball but not church

They are awful people as a whole. At least Asians don't hate their own people.
It is amazing that people don't even realize their own hypocrisy. The super bowl really showed this (although there are millions of other examples). Leaders have access to the best information and often ahead of the commoners. They are eating at restaurants, going to sports games and often taking off their masks, and going to parties without masks. Despite this, people still live in constant fear. However, this goes for boomers as well as younger people. Remember that many college students are demanding to have mask mandates.

Your uncle is a typical boomer. However, he is also a typical American. Many Americans of all generations are still swallowing the garbage the media tells them and refuse to ask basic questions.

Asians may not want to import massive waves of poor people from other nations. However, certain Asian nations like Cambodia and China are filled with greedy and cold-hearted people that won't hesitate to scam their fellow citizens (to include selling dangerous food) just because they want to buy a nicer phone or car. We also see how Arabs treat each other and it is not very positive. Of course, some nations are more civilized and respectful than others.

Boomers in China and Cambodia were largely responsible for Mao and Pol Pot's "excesses" though. We can fairly blame boomers in these countries for not making them better (to include many of the top leaders).
 

Caduceus

Ostrich
Cross post from another thread:


Endless fear porn started when the boomers were children.

Constant reminders every single week from the 1950s to the 1980s that the "evil" Soviet Union would supposedly destroy the entire western world in a nuclear war. Emergency nuclear war drills in school, with children training to "duck and cover" under tables and desks from bombs that never came. Thousands and thousands of "educational" films were made to psychologically beat the boomer children into a paranoid mess of fear and submission. Here's just 1 short example from the 1950s:




Then after the cold war ended, they switched the fear porn over to global warming/climate change, muslim terrorism, and now finally fear of diseases even when you don't have any symptoms. Also, most of the boomers are addicted to watching television/listening only to mainstream sources as well.

The Boomer generation have been psychologically beat into total paranoid submission their entire lives.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
Most rural Boomers I encounter are very likely totally unaware of the Boomer hate phenomenon. I'm quite sure they would be totally perplexed at the reasons given for it.

Yeah, a half million Boomers showed up for Woodstock. 70+ million Boomers didn't.
 

Carolus

Robin
Protestant
Most rural Boomers I encounter are very likely totally unaware of the Boomer hate phenomenon. I'm quite sure they would be totally perplexed at the reasons given for it.

Yeah, a half million Boomers showed up for Woodstock. 70+ million Boomers didn't.
Maybe Woodstock isn't the issue? Maybe it's just an easy thing to make fun of? Maybe the actual problem is the narcissism and frivolity?
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
Maybe Woodstock isn't the issue? Maybe it's just an easy thing to make fun of? Maybe the actual problem is the narcissism and frivolity?
I don't see it in mainstream rural Boomers. Rural Boomers are probably the most down to Earth, grounded people left in the country. People who attack them are attacking the last vestige of old world Americans that remain.

Many rural Boomers are a bit out of touch with conditions in America today because it's degenerated at a pace that they can't keep up with.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
I guess I'm a bit touchy about the Boomer situation not only because I'm a Boomer, but also because I saw it first hand and the Hollywood version of the Boomer generation--the version that's being portrayed by those who are playing the Boomer blame game-- is only one aspect of that generation.
 

Carolus

Robin
Protestant
I don't see it in mainstream rural Boomers. Rural Boomers are probably the most down to Earth, grounded people left in the country. People who attack them are attacking the last vestige of old world Americans that remain.

Many rural Boomers are a bit out of touch with conditions in America today because it's degenerated at a pace that they can't keep up with.
Yeah rural American is the best. Very OLD WORLD and BASED. Now excuse me, I've got to go to Walmart so I can come back to my mobile home to watch T.V. all day. Btw, all my kids have moved far away or are meth addicts (or both). Did you know I'm great and amazing and nothing is my fault?
 
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