The Boomer Question

Trewolla

 
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Yeah rural American is the best. Very OLD WORLD and BASED. Now excuse me, I've got to go to Walmart so I can come back to my mobile home to watch T.V. all day. Btw, all my kids have moved far away or are meth addicts (or both). Did you know I'm great and amazing and nothing is my fault?
lol,..."harsh"
 

Trewolla

 
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Did you know I'm great and amazing and nothing is my fault?
This is a theme I see repeated quite often by those who choose to hate on the Boomer generation--that they accept no blame for how society got configured during their time of influence.

Yet every generation after the Boomers place all the blame for the path society has taken during the influential periods of their *own* generations on someone else--the Boomers.

That's pretty much the Mt Everest of hypocrisy.
 

TheosisSeeker

 
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Orthodox Catechumen
The boomers I've spoken to have no leg to stand on and are so out of touch it's mind boggling. Let's put some numbers on paper to put things in perspective.The average salary in 1970 in the US was about 10k per year. The average price of a home was approximately $17,000.

In 2022 the average salary is around 53,000, what is the average home price? 400k?

Then the culture rot and massive influx of workers.

When you hear a boomer make some braggard comment about buying their first house at 20 and how great they are, tell them to shut it. They were given everything in the most prosperous time in America. When the waves are high, even the fool can float. You could give given a chimp a dart board and they'd pick a winning stock before the dot com bubble.
 

Trewolla

 
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The boomers I've spoken to have no leg to stand on and are so out of touch it's mind boggling. Let's put some numbers on paper to put things in perspective.The average salary in 1970 in the US was about 10k per year. The average price of a home was approximately $17,000.

In 2022 the average salary is around 53,000, what is the average home price? 400k?

Then the culture rot and massive influx of workers.
So, the handful of oligarchs who control the economy and have allowed the borders to be open are a reason to condemn an entire generation?

The situations you speak of have taken place over the span of a few generations. Why is only one singled out for blame?
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
So, the handful of oligarchs who control the economy and have allowed the borders to be open are a reason to condemn an entire generation?

The situations you speak of have taken place over the span of a few generations. Why is only one singled out for blame?
Anyone blaming the Boomer generation for all the western ills is not a serious person to listen to. They are a person who is seeking answers but they don't have the answers yet and need to be instructed to keep looking.

The flip side is that it really is remarkable at how brainwashed the boomer generation is as a whole. You can literally tell them who is doing it and why it is being done, and by the next day after their Fox News fill they are back to blaming the Chinese communist or the "damn socialists". I've never really encountered anything I can compare it too. With most people when you give them information they don't agree with they will argue with you. The boomers don't, they seem to accept it and agree, and then after another day of the TV telling them something different, it is as if the conversation you had with them never occurred.

Add in it was the boomers in France who voted heavily for Macron so their pensions would not be touched while leaving nothing behind for the next generation at all.

The boomers don't deserve all the blame. I don't know if the boomers deserve much of any blame. The most successfully brainwashed generation didn't do the brainwashing. It is only frustrating watching them age out and refuse to admit the problems can be solved at the next election or that the younger generation is "lazy".

All in all, the boomers were the first generation to not be looked up to by younger generations simply because they did not grow wiser or pass on much of anything. I will do everything I can to not repeat this as I grow older and hopefully wiser.
 

Trewolla

 
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Anyone blaming the Boomer generation for all the western ills is not a serious person to listen to. They are a person who is seeking answers but they don't have the answers yet and need to be instructed to keep looking.

The flip side is that it really is remarkable at how brainwashed the boomer generation is as a whole. You can literally tell them who is doing it and why it is being done, and by the next day after their Fox News fill they are back to blaming the Chinese communist or the "damn socialists". I've never really encountered anything I can compare it too. With most people when you give them information they don't agree with they will argue with you. The boomers don't, they seem to accept it and agree, and then after another day of the TV telling them something different, it is as if the conversation you had with them never occurred.

Add in it was the boomers in France who voted heavily for Macron so their pensions would not be touched while leaving nothing behind for the next generation at all.

The boomers don't deserve all the blame. I don't know if the boomers deserve much of any blame. The most successfully brainwashed generation didn't do the brainwashing. It is only frustrating watching them age out and refuse to admit the problems can be solved at the next election or that the younger generation is "lazy".

All in all, the boomers were the first generation to not be looked up to by younger generations simply because they did not grow wiser or pass on much of anything. I will do everything I can to not repeat this as I grow older and hopefully wiser.
There's truth to what you say about the Boomer generation being out of touch with today's cultural and political realities.

But the brainwashing didn't stop with the Boomer generation. The level of propaganda being pushed on today's younger generations is at a ridiculous level--and a surprising number of the people who inhabit the younger generations accept it without question.

The most extreme elements of the counter culture which existed in the 60's pales in comparison to what is accepted as mainstream culture today.
 

TheosisSeeker

 
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So, the handful of oligarchs who control the economy and have allowed the borders to be open are a reason to condemn an entire generation?

The situations you speak of have taken place over the span of a few generations. Why is only one singled out for blame?

Maybe because as a millenial I've interacted with them often. Their arrogance and haughty attitude towards us younger generations when they had it so easy is infuriatingly out of touch.

I have way more in retirement savings than the average boomer according to the stats and earn more than many I've spoken to if they are not retired, yet they still have the audacity to think they are better than me and try to give me idiotic advice. All this in a much more competitive time.

I'm not even 40 by the way. If that's not a denial of the objective reality, I'm not sure what is. It's a brand of know it allism that has no bounds.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
There's truth to what you say about the Boomer generation being out of touch with today's cultural and political realities.

But the brainwashing didn't stop with the Boomer generation. The level of propaganda being pushed on today's younger generations is at a ridiculous level--and a surprising number of the people who inhabit the younger generations accept it without question.

The most extreme elements of the counter culture which existed in the 60's pales in comparison to what is accepted as mainstream culture today.
The brainwashing will never stop, at least not until the good guys are in power again.

Today's propaganda is so over the top that many young people reject it. There are certainly many who do accept it, but I would say it is about 50/50.

Boomers had much more believable propaganda. I watch old TV shows simply because they are better than anything on TV today. But now I am aware of what is happened, I can pick up on the very subtle propaganda the boomers were poisoned with. It was very well done v. today's over the top propaganda. So I understand why they think the way they do. And I understand they are in their golden years and don't want to stress about the issues we face too much. But at the same time I understand why the younger generations roll their eyes and make fun of them.

They wake up every day, like the rest of us and make a choice. And they choose to remain in their comfort zone and ignore the realities young people face. So the young people wake up and choose to make fun of them.
 

Trewolla

 
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Maybe because as a millenial I've interacted with them often.
I've interacted with them continually for my entire life. They're a generation like any other.

If you believe the problems of society are generational, then you have to blame the generations preceding the Boomers for two world wars in a span of 30 years that killed 10s of millions of people and destroyed entire cities around the world.

But the problems aren't caused by the people.
 

Trewolla

 
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They wake up every day, like the rest of us and make a choice. And they choose to remain in their comfort zone and ignore the realities young people face. So the young people wake up and choose to make fun of them.
What do you suggest that they do?

The people of America have just been along for the ride ever since Lincoln declared that a State which voluntarily joined the Union couldn't voluntarily leave the union.

All of this blame placed on one generation is ridiculous. The big picture is, once a huge, powerful central government takes control of a nation, the people of that nation are just along for the ride.

What's going on started long before the Boomer generation. I don't know how far back one would have to look to see the beginning of it--Ancient Rome?
 

It_is_my_time

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What do you suggest that they do?

The people of America have just been along for the ride ever since Lincoln declared that a State which voluntarily joined the Union couldn't voluntarily leave the union.

All of this blame placed on one generation is ridiculous. The big picture is, once a huge, powerful central government takes control of a nation, the people of that nation are just along for the ride.

What's going on started long before the Boomer generation. I don't know how far back one would have to look to see the beginning of it--Ancient Rome?
They have a choice to make and they make it every day, just like the rest of us here.

Hear that the average income in the USA is $55,000 and the average home price is $500,000 v. it was almost 1:2 when they were young adults and then make that choice....

#1) Cowardly - Not my problem, Fox News, Chinese communists, High Fructose Corn Syrup in their A/C while playing on Facebook.

#2) Brave - How the hell did this happen? No really, how did it get this bad? Who did this? And when told they listen and actually care about how to start fixing it.

The boomers have so much more wealth than the rest of us combined, and far more wealth in one generation per society than anyone generation before them. It used to be very even spread, but now it is all bloated in their generation. It is up to them to make that choice. I don't blame them for not stopping this in 1985. I was alive in 1985 and I was completely unaware of any of this until 2016. I blame them for being this far down the path (2022 and obvious societal collapse) and saying "not my problem" while they live a life that 90%+ of younger people will NEVER be able to afford and knowing this to be true and still not caring.
 

Trewolla

 
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They have a choice to make and they make it every day, just like the rest of us here.

Hear that the average income in the USA is $55,000 and the average home price is $500,000 v. it was almost 1:2 when they were young adults and then make that choice....

#1) Cowardly - Not my problem, Fox News, Chinese communists, High Fructose Corn Syrup in their A/C while playing on Facebook.

#2) Brave - How the hell did this happen? No really, how did it get this bad? Who did this? And when told they listen and actually care about how to start fixing it.

The boomers have so much more wealth than the rest of us combined, and far more wealth in one generation per society than anyone generation before them. It used to be very even spread, but now it is all bloated in their generation. It is up to them to make that choice. I don't blame them for not stopping this in 1985. I was alive in 1985 and I was completely unaware of any of this until 2016. I blame them for being this far down the path (2022 and obvious societal collapse) and saying "not my problem" while they live a life that 90%+ of younger people will NEVER be able to afford and knowing this to be true and still not caring.
Nothing you mentioned was caused by a generation. America's problems haven't been caused by rank and file Americans of *any* generation.

If you want to get to the root of it, the problems of the world today are Satanic. Hating on a generation of rank and file Americans is a very lazy, very simple, very disingenuous way to confront the situation.

The people of all generations have turned away from God and God has given them over.
 

NoMoreTO

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Nothing you mentioned was caused by a generation. America's problems haven't been caused by rank and file Americans of *any* generation.

If you want to get to the root of it, the problems of the world today are Satanic. Hating on a generation of rank and file Americans is a very lazy, very simple, very disingenuous way to confront the situation.

The people of all generations have turned away from God and God has given them over.

Boomers embraced the pill, embraced contraception (tubes tied), women working became the norm. Apostasy and non Church attendance became normalized, along with Divorce. These are all recent happenings.

Whether it happened to them, or because of them, it's hard to say.

No one can doubt that the 60s was an extreme shift culturally, similar to the culture shift we are seeing today and in the last 5 years.

Things can still be satanic, part of the question is when was the door cracked open, and when was it opened wide.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
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Nothing you mentioned was caused by a generation. America's problems haven't been caused by rank and file Americans of *any* generation.

If you want to get to the root of it, the problems of the world today are Satanic. Hating on a generation of rank and file Americans is a very lazy, very simple, very disingenuous way to confront the situation.

The people of all generations have turned away from God and God has given them over.
You should reread my post. You did not address what I said. I am not blaming the boomers for not fixing this on their own, nor am I blaming the boomers for all the problems we face. Far from it.

I am simply saying the boomers each individually have a choice and the beautiful thing about life is every day we get to wake up and make that choice. They can choose to do the right thing, use their wealth to help young men with little to no future in this country, use their place of privilege of being retired to spread hardcore truths, the help guide young people down the right path. Or they can choose to hide from it all and say "not my problem". None of us here can make them choose to do the right thing. It is their legacy and again, for those boomers who do the right thing they will be idolized as they should be, even if their generation as a hole may not move to the side of God.
 

TheosisSeeker

 
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The boomers continued responses here and the inability to even make an attempt to understand our point of view is the exact reason many of us have disdain towards boomers. It wasn't you, or your generation at all, America was always that way. Get out of here.

Don't even bother my millenial, genX, and gen Z brethren. Spend the time on more worthwhile pursuits. Talking with most boomers is losing time you will never get back.
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
The boomers continued responses here and the inability to even make an attempt to understand our point of view is the exact reason many of us have disdain towards boomers. It wasn't you, or your generation at all, America was always that way. Get out of here.

Don't even bother my millenial, genX, and gen Z brethren. Spend the time on more worthwhile pursuits. Talking with most boomers is losing time you will never get back.

In other words, "let the dead bury their dead" (as Our Lord said, Matth. 8:22)
 

Caduceus

Ostrich
The flip side is that it really is remarkable at how brainwashed the boomer generation is as a whole. You can literally tell them who is doing it and why it is being done, and by the next day after their Fox News fill they are back to blaming the Chinese communist or the "damn socialists". I've never really encountered anything I can compare it too. With most people when you give them information they don't agree with they will argue with you. The boomers don't, they seem to accept it and agree, and then after another day of the TV telling them something different, it is as if the conversation you had with them never occurred.

You just described my boomer parents as if you met them personally.
Man, nothing can get them off their lifelong addiction to crappy TV, and blind worship of mainstream news sources.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
You just described my boomer parents as if you met them personally.
Man, nothing can get them off their lifelong addiction to crappy TV, and blind worship of mainstream news sources.
I love my parents. No one in this world will ever do more for me than my parents have already done. I have lost hours of sleep trying to figure out how to do just a small percent for them as they have done for me. I don't know how I got so lucky to have such great parents, when I pray it is the first thing I pray for, the blessing I received to have such wonderful parents. And my parents are boomers, born in the early 1950's.

I have slowly gotten them off the GOP plantation and realizing what we face. Voting helps, but it at the most only buys time, vote GOP and prepare. I know it is hard for them. But they do what I suggest other boomers do, they live within their means and try to find ways to pay it on to the next generation. If more boomers did what they did the attitude towards their generation would change. I know younger (30 and under) people who know my parents also look up to them and don't just see them as "boomers" but as very nice old people who try to help them.

But the TV has a grip on them and their friends, like something that seems magical. I could never watch another minute of TV and not care. They seems to still see it as a very important part of their life.
 
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