The Boomer Question

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Every generation has had gatekeepers and every generation has to play the hand they are dealt.

I associate America’s plunge with the Boomers because the most foolish plays have been made by leaders from that generation once they started taking positions of power, which is pretty much from the 90’s onwards. And this despite being dealt a great hand which was pretty much their game to lose. To name a few- gutting the manufacturing base and outsourcing it overseas, changing student debt laws, the war on terror, 2008 crash, bailouts, QE… the national deficit and the money printing has gone exponential under the Boomer‘s watch.

At least the WW2 generation had the sense to keep the deficit relatively in check because they had lived through that war and the depression.

I understand your point that one generation isn’t alone to blame. The country has been creeping towards this point for much longer than that, but it did begin to tremendously misstep in a much more irreversible, accelerated way once Boomers got into power.
The WW2 generation allowed all the subversion that happened in the sixties to take place they were the ones in power and the parents that overindulged the Boomers. The people now in power were the worst of that generation that fully embraced left wing ideals. The average Boomer just worked, served in Vietnam and didn’t smoke pot or take drugs. But the people now in power took drugs, avoided military service or at least dangerous military service. Just look at pictures of Bill and Hillary Clinton, stereotypical hippies.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
My uncle (a boomer) got angry when I dared to simply state that I am unsure about the Moon Landings. I know that is a different thread, but even stating the idea that it might have been staged will set some off.
It was a big event. I remember seeing it as a small child. The adults that seen it had no reason to expect a hoax. They believe they have seen it with their own eyes. So try to understand why they may continue to be gullible.
 

The Penitent Man

Pelican
Protestant
My uncle (a boomer) got angry when I dared to simply state that I am unsure about the Moon Landings. I know that is a different thread, but even stating the idea that it might have been staged will set some off.
My dad brought this up, unprompted, at Easter dinner a year ago. He and my brother-in-law spent part of the dinner discussing how crazy people were to doubt the moon landings and began reviewing all of the evidence. I’m skeptical about the landings simply because I tend to doubt anything promoted that heavily by the government/media apparatus.

I did not participate in the discussion because I don’t know enough to make an argument one way or the other. I haven’t delved into it very deeply because I don’t care. It doesn’t impact anything of importance to my life. The missions seemed like useless endeavors for bragging rights that cost a lot of money. It is evident, though, that the moon landings are a part of the boomer identity. For this reason, they are a sacred cow.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
But Boomer’s at this time are mostly clueless to how drastically things have changed
That's definitely true. But many of us Boomers are at that place where we tend to become "in the world but not of it",..either in a spiritual way or not.

Some never knew. Some watched until they had seen enough and just looked the other way. That's kind of where I'm at--and it's what got me serious about my spiritual life a couple of years ago.

I typically don't even dwell on matters such as these any more. I used to get on line and discuss them endlessly. But my interest has waned. This is the most involved I've been in a while. I honestly don't care very much about "in the world" stuff these days.

It's got to play out. I've known that for a while. I'm used to the idea.

I just want to have myself spiritually ready for whatever the end game to all of this insanity is. That's my motivation these days.
 

TheosisSeeker

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
I understand your point of view very well. I just refuse to accept the blame for the fact that your generation happened to be born after the "powers that be" plunged America into decline.

A generation isn't what caused the decline of America.

Essentially, the wealth of America is being harvested by the handful of people who have the power to do so. If you can think deeply enough on the matter you will eventually understand where that power comes from. Blaming fellow Americans of a certain age group is ridiculous. They have no more power to do anything about it than you do.

Brother

:squintlol:
 

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
I can provide some insights about immigrants Russian boomers, or at least the overwhelming majority of the blue pilled ones.

One characteristic of such people that I have observed, is that they are at least in part to blame in the abandonment of traditional Russian culture in favor of Soviet/Western ones. I say this because many of them grew up in households where the Russian traditions were still held. So preserving these traditions would have come naturally to them. Why didn't they preserve these traditions and pass them down to the later generations? They made no attempt to preserve the culture. Even some boomers who grew up in Orthodox households didn't preserve their religion nor pass it down to the next generation.

Many of such people have adopted the Soviet, Ukrainian, Federation, or American identities, instead of the Ruski identity. They have discarded the identity of the Ruski people, of their culture and civilization, in favor of artificial identities which are based on a loyalty to the state, to the made up country that they are residing in. They would say, for example, "we are the Soviet people, we are not the Ruski people."

Whenever I talk about the history or culture of my people (I wanted to say our people, but unfortunately that would be a misrepresentation), with the boomers who came from the territories of the former Russian Empire, they wouldn't take it seriously. They would say stuff like, "the Russian Empire collapsed long ago", "you live in the 21st century", "nobody wants to hear about that", "your culture doesn't exist anymore", or even "your culture never existed at all". Such responses throw me into dismay, how can old people say such things?

They have no sense of national identity, it seems. They didn't strive to cultivate the national identity and it's associated traditions within their families, nor to pass this treasure onto the next generation. And they ridicule people who in fact indeed do this.

I think that their rejection of traditional culture maybe a justification of their actions earlier in life. These people grew up during the Soviet Union, when the communists ordered to abandon the Ruski identity and the Ruski culture, these people complied. So they have to save face all their lives to justify their actions, why they so easily got rid of their culture, similar to how people who took the vaxx. Instead of admitting their error, they doubled down on it, becoming more cosmopolitan than the young people.

That's disappointing, because in the Russian traditional culture, elders were very well respected, they were supposed to be very wise people, the keepers and teachers of tradition. However now we young people have to be our own elders, or we have to find elders on the internet, YouTube, and various podcasts. We have to search the internet for bits and pieces of the Ruski traditional culture in an attempt to restore it, because the boomers discarded what they had given wholesale.

These are my observations about Russian immigrant boomers. Keep in mind that immigration attracts a certain kind of demographic though.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
I can provide some insights about immigrants Russian boomers, or at least the overwhelming majority of the blue pilled ones.

One characteristic of such people that I have observed, is that they are at least in part to blame in the abandonment of traditional Russian culture in favor of Soviet/Western ones. I say this because many of them grew up in households where the Russian traditions were still held. So preserving these traditions would have come naturally to them. Why didn't they preserve these traditions and pass them down to the later generations? They made no attempt to preserve the culture. Even some boomers who grew up in Orthodox households didn't preserve their religion nor pass it down to the next generation.

Many of such people have adopted the Soviet, Ukrainian, Federation, or American identities, instead of the Ruski identity. They have discarded the identity of the Ruski people, of their culture and civilization, in favor of artificial identities which are based on a loyalty to the state, to the made up country that they are residing in. They would say, for example, "we are the Soviet people, we are not the Ruski people."

Whenever I talk about the history or culture of my people (I wanted to say our people, but unfortunately that would be a misrepresentation), with the boomers who came from the territories of the former Russian Empire, they wouldn't take it seriously. They would say stuff like, "the Russian Empire collapsed long ago", "you live in the 21st century", "nobody wants to hear about that", "your culture doesn't exist anymore", or even "your culture never existed at all". Such responses throw me into dismay, how can old people say such things?

They have no sense of national identity, it seems. They didn't strive to cultivate the national identity and it's associated traditions within their families, nor to pass this treasure onto the next generation. And they ridicule people who in fact indeed do this.

I think that their rejection of traditional culture maybe a justification of their actions earlier in life. These people grew up during the Soviet Union, when the communists ordered to abandon the Ruski identity and the Ruski culture, these people complied. So they have to save face all their lives to justify their actions, why they so easily got rid of their culture, similar to how people who took the vaxx. Instead of admitting their error, they doubled down on it, becoming more cosmopolitan than the young people.

That's disappointing, because in the Russian traditional culture, elders were very well respected, they were supposed to be very wise people, the keepers and teachers of tradition. However now we young people have to be our own elders, or we have to find elders on the internet, YouTube, and various podcasts. We have to search the internet for bits and pieces of the Ruski traditional culture in an attempt to restore it, because the boomers discarded what they had given wholesale.

These are my observations about Russian immigrant boomers. Keep in mind that immigration attracts a certain kind of demographic though.
My opinion, the primary reason that Putin drew his line in the sand in Ukraine was to stop the influence of western globohomo from infecting Russia.

The Russian Black Sea ports and the oppression of ethnic Russians by Ukranians was another big reason, of course. But those are just elements of western culture globohomo infiltrating Russia.

Globohomo is just another Bolshevik Revolution. One is enough for Russia. Putin understands that.
 

SlickyBoy

Ostrich
Boomers born from 1946 to 1964 were the largest cohort to be drafted and forced to serve in Vietnam and over 50,000 never made it home - This war is vilified by history revisionists but was the first shot across the bow of both the Soviet Communists and the Chinese Freaking Red Communists backing the Viet Cong - then the Boomers were the ones who fought and WON the cold war (Dissolution of the Soviet Union, Fall of the Berlin Wall, Transformation of CFRCs into capitalism, reconstruction of Germany, Japan, and South Korea into innovative Economic powers). The BOOMERS are largely responsible for the safe prosperous USA and EU you all live in today yet many radical left Millenials are calling for Open Borders and massive low IQ gimmegrant invasions of both the USA and EU/UK - go figure.

Anyone who espouses BOOMER hatred should first look into a large mirror at their own reflection.
Boomers were also the ones who voted the Democrats into a majority in the early 70s, who then went on to cut off the funding for the South Vietnamese government, barely able to stand as an independent country we left in 1973. Without the funding, things collapsed and all that work by boomer draftees went straight into the can, followed by thousands of boat people flowing to parts unknown. Great job, boomers.

Boomers are also the ones who fell in love with a bad Jane Fonda movie in the 1970s (The China Syndrome), the mentality of which still prevents us from building any more nuclear power plants while we try in vain to meet the same energy goals with foolhardy wind and solar joke attempts, since muh, fossil fuel bad too!

Boomers support immigrants "so long as their legal" even though that's become a distinction without a difference. Boomers grew up saying "you can't trust anyone over 30" but when I was in high school in the 80s, the expression became "we ID all under 30" Boomers did the miraculous job of obliterating the old religious order and threw a party for themselves while leaving us with the AIDS epidemic and false rape accusations.

The only thing worse than you was the "greatest generation" who spoiled you by providing an upbringing no longer possible in a country that no longer exists.

Thanks a lot, boomers.
 

Jaybosan

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
Recently read an opinion piece that pointed out that Boomers retiring is one reason that there is a labor shortage. Irreverent as they were, they did not seem to suffer from sloth. In fact, it seems they erred in the opposite direction becoming workaholics perhaps motivated by worldly things. After decades of out-sourcing and in-sourcing, (along-side technological advances creating numerous, cheap diversions); the younger generations have less motivation to participate in the rat race.
 

SlickyBoy

Ostrich
Recently read an opinion piece that pointed out that Boomers retiring is one reason that there is a labor shortage. Irreverent as they were, they did not seem to suffer from sloth. In fact, it seems they erred in the opposite direction becoming workaholics perhaps motivated by worldly things. After decades of out-sourcing and in-sourcing, (along-side technological advances creating numerous, cheap diversions); the younger generations have less motivation to participate in the rat race.
I saw a twitter thread that clipped news articles from today going all the way back to the late 1800s where the same complaint was made - "nobody wants to work anymore." So I think that's a hackneyed expression thrown around by middle aged men since time began.

Boomers can pat themselves on the back for having great careers and being able to afford to raise a family on one income, but they took steps to make that impossible for the rest of us. Back then, labor was so expensive Paul Volker raised interest rates not to cure the economy, but to bust up unions, drive down the cost of wages and make the bondholders happy. EMJ details this in his book, Barren Metal.

H1B visas did not exist before 1989, and illegal immigration was rare. Refugees only came from Vietnam and Cambodia, then they stopped. Nowadays the door isn't just open, it's blown completely off the hinges.

So maybe this time it's kinda true nobody wants to work anymore, but what first world citizen can really be expected to work for third world wages? And when you import third worlders who eventually wise up and start demanding more, you just import more who aren't so smart yet.

The economy is a mess for a lot of reasons, but paying the workers too much probably isn't one of them.
 

Pointy Elbows

Pelican
Orthodox
The boomer generation had several things going for it: 1) post war boom economy, 2) largest generation of born Americans, 3) last generation to work in a white-dominated workplace/culture for majority of their careers, and 4) an unrestricted currency environment (free of gold-standard, dollar hegemony, and mostly low interest rates). They are all retiring or passing away now, 3 of these 4 conditions are gone, and the 4th condition is getting shaky.

Boomers can't help the conditions to which they were born. They can't help getting old. They had little appreciation for the value of these conditions, and they fell prey to certain forces that duped them. The rest of us will see condition 4 dissolve, then things will really change.
 

Rush87

Ostrich
Catholic
‘Labour shortage’ is a misnomer. Governments throw the term around but never clarify what it really means:

There isn’t a labour shortage. With women in the workforce, we have more workers, performing more bullshit jobs than ever before.

What labor shortage actually means is that we have shortages of skilled labour in industries that are actually required for the world to function.

The atomisation of the workforce is a massive factor that’s never addressed (Intentionally). It has suppressed wages and disincentivized men from performing jobs they would have otherwise happily done because the industries are so bloated by admin roles that wages haven’t even remotely kept up with inflation.
 

TCOCBR18

Robin
Orthodox
Is it a thing that many formerly rigidly conservative Boomers are becoming more liberal these days? I mean, I know Boomer Conservatism was never very ideologically robust in the first place, but I've noticed a few boomers in my life who used to be serious old tea party conservatives who hated the Democrats with passion, now just propagating liberal or centrist media narratives.
 

Caduceus

Ostrich
Is it a thing that many formerly rigidly conservative Boomers are becoming more liberal these days? I mean, I know Boomer Conservatism was never very ideologically robust in the first place, but I've noticed a few boomers in my life who used to be serious old tea party conservatives who hated the Democrats with passion, now just propagating liberal or centrist media narratives.

Boomers will never give up their televisions.
Even if they can use the internet...their main source of boomers "reliable" info will always be the TV.
 

Observer

 
Banned
Other Christian
I've noticed particularly more so with Boomers that whatever the latest agenda the television or radio news programs are pushing they often consider unquestionable gospel and will quickly become belligerent to views or sources of information that refute said news programs. I am quite the heretic unbeliever amongst Boomers I know for my mainstream media dissent.
 
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