The Butterfly Effect: Unintended Consequences of COVID-19?

Serie A1

Serie A1

 
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Hey there guys,
I hope that this post finds you all in excellent spirits, and that you are keeping well.

Earlier today, I saw this genuinely sad news report about the class of 'New Poor' ex-middle-class citizens being created by the response to the COVID-19 pandemic:



The report is from Europe, but it could be from any region in the world.

It set me thinking.

In a number of countries, you now have the following factors present:
  1. Large numbers of formerly prosperous people reduced to penury, with possible severe fiscal adjustments down the road.
  2. At least some skepticism of mainstream news narratives – significantly greater than before.
  3. High levels of stress, fear and anxiety.
  4. Political spectra appearing dysfunctional.
  5. Cultural environment pretty much suspended (art, opera, ballet, music gigs, attendance at sports events, etc.).
These conditions do not appear to be the greatest recipe for economic, cultural or even political stability.

Future predictions about the fallout from COVID-19 have tended to focus on things like the rise of remote working, or a reduction in business travel.

But maybe there could be unintended and unforeseen consequences from all this which have not been previously articulated.

Any thoughts on what these might be?

(Some guesses:

A. Creation of new cultural forms.
B. Global psychological crisis.
C. Resurgence of the nation-state.
D. Rise of the region-state.
E. Economic free fall.)
 
Foolsgo1d

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
What you're commenting on in your OP is has the penny begun to drop for the masses of normies who feed on the mainstream narrative of 'everything will be ok, trust us'?

You can show pictures of the media channels with headlines showing MARKETS ALL TIME HIGHS! with the "highest unemployment claims in history" right below and they will be mildly concerned.

Only when they are affected big time will they start noticing things. Social media and the MSM have done an outstanding job of keeping the crowd subdued but it wont last forever I feel. The central banks and governments also did a great job in keeping the financial economy afloat whilst blowing up mainstreet economies.

800,000 filed for unemployment? Entire industries and sectors shut down? Millions are going to be evicted in multiple countries come 2021? Who cares! DOW 30k baby! Look at the Dax...etc etc.

Half your neighbourhood getting screwed? Doesn't matter, it will fix itself in time.

The only reasons we are not killing each other is the markets are green and staying there, for now. It might be fake for the charade is keeping the ship above the water line. When they choose to destroy it I dont know but it is coming.
 
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Nordwand

Pelican
Other Christian
In the UK, and probably many other countries as well, the post Christmas period is traditionally when you get a lot of businesses go to the wall, after they examine the Christmas takings, and realize they haven't got enough to get them through the next few months. Given that many here have had their doors closed for nearly all of the last 2 months, with only a few days of (socially distanced) respite, it's going to be more of a case of "What takings?"

Just before Christmas, I visited my local independent health food store, and mentioned to the owner the case of the coroner in Virginia. An older woman standing nearby was listening intently. I was expecting her to come out with the sort of hysterical rant that I've heard many times of late, but instead she launched into a full on criticism of the whole thing, that would have been typical of the conversation here, with particular emphasis on the economy and job losses.
 
Grow Bag

Grow Bag

Pelican
Catholic
The main alternative media YT channel in the UK is UK Column. Monday, Wednesday and Friday you get the low down on all the media propaganda and government shenanigans regarding Convid19. They show government documents from SAGE that this is a psy-op and lots of other proof of government mendacity and media complicity. There are a number of channels and blogs that show statistically that both the government and media are lying, yet their viewing figures don't reflect any mass movement of inquiry. The UK Column gets around 3500 viewers when it streams and although that viewing figure is pretty good, considering the devastation to businesses it ought to be much, much higher. I've been writing comments with links to alternative media in all the mainstream media channels. Normies are simply not asking the questions any sane person ought to ask given that their lives have been turned upside down: Is it true? How do I know it's true? There is little to no push back and it's baffling to me that so many would go to wall without a fight.

I've said this in another thread, but it begs repeating. I'm subscribed to a number of motorcycle forums and have tried to wake these people up to the truth. Most aren't interested and the ones that respond keep quoting mainstream media sources. It's infuriating. Biker forums have a lot of technically minded enthusiasts and would quickly understand someone like Ivor Cummins, who does statistical analysis that graphically show the lie, but they won't even look. In 10 years time none of these biking nuts will have a motorcycle to write about. The internal combustion engine is going to be a rich man's hobby. Boris Johnson has said as much in his United Nations, Build Back Better speech. I could link the speech and a dozen other indicators that this is so, but they simply won't buy it. So what can one say? I can only come to the conclusion, as harsh as it is, that they are complicit in their own downfall.
 
Serie A1

Serie A1

 
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Foolsgo1d said:
What you're commenting on in your OP is has the penny begun to drop for the masses of normies who feed on the mainstream narrative of 'everything will be ok, trust us'?
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Not exactly, to be honest: more of that most of the predicted changes to our world from the response to COVID-19 have been pretty mild.

However, it is difficult to think of a time when most of the world economy simply ground to a halt. Moreover, declines in middle-class fortunes are usually associated with quite dramatic historical ruptures and systemic changes.

So while more critical evaluation of the media during and after this crisis would probably be expected, what I'm asking is this: what unforeseen and/or unintended consequences of the global response to COVID-19 do you think might happen?
 
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finton_the_toole

Sparrow
Grow Bag said:
Most aren't interested and the ones that respond keep quoting mainstream media sources. It's infuriating.
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People just don't want to think. It's just easier to place their trust in MSM and the pretty lies told by the government. They don't want to believe that the government is evil. They don't want to admit that all the MSM they consume, and entertainment they engage in has filled their head with falsehood.

Then again, they have nothing else than their alcohol, netflix and porn. They don't want to look more closely, because they'd realize they've wasted their lives.
 
Serie A1

Serie A1

 
Banned
Here's one such unintended consequence from The New York Times – it seems that people in South Korea have become wary of existing vaccines:

What South Korea Can Teach Us About Vaccine Hesitancy (02/12/2020)

'In early September, officials in South Korea announced an ambitious plan to vaccinate 30 million people against the flu — 10 million more than last year, an increase aimed at keeping down rates of the flu while the country battled the coronavirus.

'But as The Times reported last week, the internet soon got in the way. As the vaccine was distributed, a few logistical problems popped up, and South Koreans began circulating grave stories online — pictures of vaccine boxes that looked like they had been stored unsafely, reports of vaccine contaminated with mysterious white particles.

'Then things got more serious. A 17-year-old died after getting the vaccine. Stories of more deaths began to pour in. “By Oct. 22, the reported death count had reached 28 and it was rising by the day,” The Times reported. “Singapore briefly suspended the use of a South Korean vaccine after the deaths were reported.”

'Health officials were confident that the vaccine was safe, and they eventually determined that the deaths were coincidental; people die every day from a wide variety of causes, so it’s not surprising that among millions of people receiving vaccinations, some would die soon afterward for unrelated reasons. But online, the fear would not bend to rational explanation....South Korea’s public health officials have been praised for the transparent way they investigated and shut down misinformation about the flu vaccine, but rates of vaccination remain low — only 19 million people have gotten the flu shot, far short of the goal of 30 million.'

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | What South Korea Can Teach Us About Vaccine Hesitancy (Published 2020)

There is a danger that coronavirus vaccination becomes just another battle in America’s endless culture war.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Thomas More

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
I think colleges and universities in their current form are getting wrecked.

The lockdown shows that it doesn't make sense to borrow a year or two of pay to go to an SJW indoctrination center for onsite education. Online works for most things, and even skills that need hands on experience can be learned on the job or in a more local setting, combined with online content when possible.
 
Foolsgo1d

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Grow Bag said:
The main alternative media YT channel in the UK is UK Column. Monday, Wednesday and Friday you get the low down on all the media propaganda and government shenanigans regarding Convid19. They show government documents from SAGE that this is a psy-op and lots of other proof of government mendacity and media complicity. There are a number of channels and blogs that show statistically that both the government and media are lying, yet their viewing figures don't reflect any mass movement of inquiry. The UK Column gets around 3500 viewers when it streams and although that viewing figure is pretty good, considering the devastation to businesses it ought to be much, much higher. I've been writing comments with links to alternative media in all the mainstream media channels. Normies are simply not asking the questions any sane person ought to ask given that their lives have been turned upside down: Is it true? How do I know it's true? There is little to no push back and it's baffling to me that so many would go to wall without a fight.

I've said this in another thread, but it begs repeating. I'm subscribed to a number of motorcycle forums and have tried to wake these people up to the truth. Most aren't interested and the ones that respond keep quoting mainstream media sources. It's infuriating. Biker forums have a lot of technically minded enthusiasts and would quickly understand someone like Ivor Cummins, who does statistical analysis that graphically show the lie, but they won't even look. In 10 years time none of these biking nuts will have a motorcycle to write about. The internal combustion engine is going to be a rich man's hobby. Boris Johnson has said as much in his United Nations, Build Back Better speech. I could link the speech and a dozen other indicators that this is so, but they simply won't buy it. So what can one say? I can only come to the conclusion, as harsh as it is, that they are complicit in their own downfall.
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I actually saw that channel once and couldn't find it again as I didnt remember the name.

It wont be long before YT shuts them down.
 
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Jacob Robinson

Woodpecker
Catholic
It should lead one to question the wisdom of globalization. Under globalization, someone in China sneezes and the whole world catches a cold. A stock market crashes in one country, and everyone has a recession. If anyone, anywhere in the world will work for less, someone else loses their job. Those are the costs. The benefits? The rich get richer.

In, say, the 1980's China A) could not have afforded to dabble in creating Fraken viruses in a weapons lab, and B) even if they had, very few were traveling between Red China and the western world. The virus getting loose over there would have not even been known in the rest of the world. Opening China by Nixon was stupid--it did absolutely nothing, nothing at all to hasten the end of the Soviet Union. Kissinger was too clever by half, and was played for a fool by China. Clinton opening up a China, totally unrepentant over Tiananmen Square, for trade so his buds at Wal-Mart could make more money. It has been an unmitigated disaster. But the ruling class will never admit error but only doubles down. Were cheap TV's really a good trade for loosing one's home in which to place them, after they lost their job and could not pay the mortgage due to the China Flu? A made-in-America Curtis Mathis TV was quite the bargain in retrospect.

People rave at multi-culturalism, which really means anti-Western culture, but at face value, is not globalisim and multi-culturalism incompatible with each other? For globalisim means McDonalds, Nike, Disney, NBCUniversal, etc., crowding out what unique native culture was once in a given area. Why not let the Germans be German, the Kenyans be Kenyans, etc? The imperialists of old only wanted to subjugate other countries for their material assets--now they invade them to enlighten them and wipe out their culture and leave atheistic, depraved, globo-homo in its wake. It is high time that countries decouple their cultures from other countries and rediscover their uniqueness. As part of that, do we really needed constant movement of people between countries? It ought to be a special occasion, not needless business trips to rack up frequent flier miles or millennials looking for "experiences." Foreign travel means foreign diseases, and the greater the exchange of people, the less unique both groups become. Instead of multi-culturalisim, it is a global uni-culture.

The ruling/political class in the US, and the West in general, have destroyed everything they have touched in the past 30 or so years. It is ideology and greed driven, and they refuse to learn, so any bad choice becomes progressively worse. Globalization is basically a suicide pact between nations that the ruling class takes as an unquestionable axiom.
 
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Laner

Laner

Crow
Protestant
Gold Member
Some of the most angry anti government, anti NWO people I know are people who were woken up from their long bliss at some point during covid. They went from trust and counting future paychecks to attending anti lockdown protests and getting kicked off facebook.

My family hopped on a plane to visit my large extended family for Christmas. In doing so, our boldness meant that at least six other families ended up seeing their children or parents and extended family as well. My moms best friend went from seeing none of her kids, to seeing all her kids and grandkids because of my unwavering determination to spend time with family over Christmas.
 
Papaya

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
Jacob Robinson said:
In, say, the 1980's China A) could not have afforded to dabble in creating Fraken viruses in a weapons lab, and B) even if they had, very few were traveling between Red China and the western world. The virus getting loose over there would have not even been known in the rest of the world. Opening China by Nixon was stupid--it did absolutely nothing, nothing at all to hasten the end of the Soviet Union. Kissinger was too clever by half, and was played for a fool by China. Clinton opening up a China, totally unrepentant over Tiananmen Square, for trade so his buds at Wal-Mart could make more money. It has been an unmitigated disaster. But the ruling class will never admit error but only doubles down. Were cheap TV's really a good trade for loosing one's home in which to place them, after they lost their job and could not pay the mortgage due to the China Flu? A made-in-America Curtis Mathis TV was quite the bargain in retrospect.
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Western civilizations success converted its population from "wolf" to "pitbull" to eventually "golden retriever"(metaphorically). Then the US "leadership" decided it would be a good idea to couple the economy with what would metaphorically be a pack of vicious hyenas under the rationale that the hyenas would come to behave more like the family pet.

Now they wont even admit that the hyenas are eating the retrievers alive even when its happening in plain sight and in real time. Even the majority of retrievers are oblivious
 
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infowarrior1

infowarrior1

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Days of Broken Arrows said:
Extended families living under one roof, like they did in the pre-suburbia 1940s.

People are moving back in with their parents because they can't pay rent or their mortgage. Or elderly parents are moving in with their adult children because they're isolated.
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Maybe this is a good consequence compared to shoving them in retirement homes to rot and wait for death. And therefore to share their Wisdom with the younger generations.
 
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