The Canada Political Thread

Blitz

Pigeon
I am fully on the Wexit train. Have been for years.

Alberta needs to elect an Albertan next time around. Politics are too complicated for any Albertan leader to dance for their Ottawa masters at the same time they dance to demands in Edmonton.

BC needs to sack up and decide if it wants to be part of the west, part of China, or on its own. Vancouver and Victoria are not the province, so if they think voters in the lower mainland can decide what Fort St John and Smithers can do with their efforts, they need to be shown the door.

Vancouver and Victoria can't even run their own cities. One minor little blip and they are sniveling about bankruptcy. Let em bleed out and let the productive take the leads.

You all know I love my anecdotes so here is another one.

I took my boy on his first big overnight backpack hike. At the Buckhorn camp there were some other parents who were doing the same; getting some quality time in with their kid before the school term starts next week. Being so close to Vancouver, you might expect the granola commies many people picture in this part of the world. But it was not the case. I made a pretty pointed comment, making eye contact with every parent in the group:

"This conversation we are having, would never have been possible 6 months ago".

None of the parents thought covid was a threat. None of the parents were comfortable with the BC school curriculum. They all felt Canada was on its last legs. They all felt the US left was out of control and needed to be stopped. They were all worried about blindly giving up freedoms.

One woman admitted that she had been blind. She was there with her 11 year old son for an opportunity to bond before puberty hits and he would be more attached to his father through a difficult time. Her son helped her see some light. Her husband told her she is not alone, and don't worry about what others thought.

It was camp of red pills. The strenuous hike in might have took some of the programming out, but I really believe that people are waking up.
There are interesting avenues/ loopholes to explore regarding BC joining any western separation movement.

I spent almost a month in BC this summer and was surprised at the lack of masks on people. Even the Asians in Vancouver weren't completely compliant. Hippies on Salt Spring, masks were non-existent; Whistler, Kelowna, nothing other than restaurant servers. Wear it to board the ferry, then meh whatever once you're on. Then back to Alberta and the hysteria ramped up. It's got me a little concerned that when it gets down to it Albertans don't have the stones for separation. You say Albertans need to elect an Albertan; totally agree. But the same Albertans voted to elect Leslyn Lewis to become Conservative leader and ultimately run for PM, and she wasn't even born in Canada. The globalist libertarian streak seems pretty strong, but combined with a hollow bravado echoing the 2A guys in the US, who ultimately won't do a thing about their own communist insurrection.

To me, what this means is that the current Wexit parties and movements will be failures and might even be controlled opposition. Needs a new ideological framework and a heavy branding and sales job to get it done properly, because it won't just fall into place from a support standpoint like I think a lot of Wexit supporters presume.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
At a certain point, the local community needs to take matters into their own hands. Compassion can easily become a black hole. Junkies need to be told they can not stay there. The first time you confront them, you say "you can not stay here, your presence harms the social fabric of this community, we can not allow it any longer, you have to leave, please seek help for your problems" and you give them a bus pass with it, tell them to go to whatever state-run clinic there is downtown.

The second time you break their nose, tell them it'll be worse next time and to spread the word to their friends that a maniac who will fuck up your shit lives in neighborhood x, don't go there.
It's going to get interesting when the CERB money runs out: https://www.westernstandardonline.c...ill-unleash-a-crimewave-of-moneyless-addicts/
 

FactusIRX

Robin
There are interesting avenues/ loopholes to explore regarding BC joining any western separation movement.

I spent almost a month in BC this summer and was surprised at the lack of masks on people. Even the Asians in Vancouver weren't completely compliant. Hippies on Salt Spring, masks were non-existent; Whistler, Kelowna, nothing other than restaurant servers. Wear it to board the ferry, then meh whatever once you're on. Then back to Alberta and the hysteria ramped up. It's got me a little concerned that when it gets down to it Albertans don't have the stones for separation. You say Albertans need to elect an Albertan; totally agree. But the same Albertans voted to elect Leslyn Lewis to become Conservative leader and ultimately run for PM, and she wasn't even born in Canada. The globalist libertarian streak seems pretty strong, but combined with a hollow bravado echoing the 2A guys in the US, who ultimately won't do a thing about their own communist insurrection.
What? BC which voted in and which are ruled by the ultra-left wing NDP/Greens are totally more conservative or rebellious?? than Albertans. What are you talking about?
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
What? BC which voted in and which are ruled by the ultra-left wing NDP/Greens are totally more conservative or rebellious?? than Albertans. What are you talking about?
It’s somewhat true, I was in Edmonton three weeks ago and had to mask up everywhere, corner stores, restaurants, etc but here in Vancouver it’s only some places, Wal Mart is enforcing masks but the IGA I went to earlier didn’t. People are surprisingly relaxed about social distancing too.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
That's a huge bummer...... I'm considering moving there but it always had some of the same Vancouver problems but hadn't hit it as much.
I lived two blocks from that park in 2015, the junky tents weren’t there but in other parts, I haven’t been to Vic lately but apparently it’s bad although I’m sure you’d be fine if you stayed near Esquimalt or better yet Saanich or Langford areas.
 

Blitz

Pigeon
What? BC which voted in and which are ruled by the ultra-left wing NDP/Greens are totally more conservative or rebellious?? than Albertans. What are you talking about?
I'd say they're more libertarian leftists (a bit redundant) in BC, actual hippies from the 60s type. I believe it's been documented that there was a huge influx of hippy/ draft dodgers to the Lower Mainland in the 60s and 70s.

Alberta is firmly establishment conservatives right now, not yet a tipping point of Trump/ edgy conservatism. Just dangle some low tax shiny keys at most of them and they don't seem to care what else happens. Now, if Trudeau seriously drops the hammer on the oil sands instead of these pin pricks, that could be the wake up call.
 

Laner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Alberta conservatism is low taxes and the opportunity to grind out 70 hour weeks for $200k a year. And when they are told they are white racists they elect gay Muslims and adopt some black babies.

Alberta is not the same Ralph Klein Conservatives as when I grew up there. Albertans seem much more influenced by social media and are sensitive to the whims of others. The thick skin that New American Conservatives have grown would be a huge turning point for Alberta. I have seen it happening, especially with my own family and friends there, but it still causes a lot of friction among extended family, which is Alberta's main weakness; Family.

Calgary is learning what an imported white collar class does to a city. Bringing in tens of thousands of office drones from Toronto has changed the fabric quite significantly. And with booming times, the government will fatten their payrolls by the tens of thousands as well and the results are now the 75,000 NDP holdovers who have no chance of getting fired and will drag any government to a grind.

Its sad to see in Alberta, but in reality it deserves the initial shove. Now that they are down and getting the boots laid to them it might be time to get hard again. The New American Conservatives are a helluva lot more fun than these pillow biting fags from Ontario that show up to 'lead' Alberta every so often.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
British Columbia, outside the cities, 25 years ago was a libertarian paradise. You had two 'groups' of people. The first being those employed in logging type of work, or orchards in Okanagan. They just wanted to work and be left alone, the work, especially the logging is very dangerous and very well paying, to the point that the workers there didn't also feel the need to work themselves to death 24/7 like it is from Alberta to Nova Scotia.

The other group was hippie commune weirdo tree planters. They could work for part of the year tree planting, another part as some guide or ski bum and then spend the rest of the time in some sort of no shower nudist colony where they grew super weed.

The pine beetle and coastal logging regulations turned off the taps for a lot of the loggers and and thus the tree planters. The loggers moved to Alberta the tree planters had to close up their communes and move to the cities to become hipsters and social justice warriors.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
When I talk to the old timers at work they make BC sound like paradise in the 80/90s, they would work pulp mill shutdowns all over the province in some awesome areas like Vancouver Island, Pine Pass, Kootenays, etc and make 100K+ in 6 months. Back then a guy could buy a house in Vancouver for $200-300K and a fraction of that in a place like Kelowna or Nanaimo.

Overall it’s still decent though, the forestry industry is down but oil and gas are up, so is shipbuilding, hydro and of course the high tech/IT stuff in Vancouver.
 

Laner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I think BC is better now than it ever has been. I know what you mean talking to the old timers about the 80's and 90's, as this was my memories of the place as well. But the memories of those who did well, do not align with those that lost everything and struggled for a decade. BC was pretty hurting for a lot of people through the 80's, which is why so many of my friends in Alberta had parents from BC. Now, there is a more diverse economy and opportunities for year round work are everywhere. Cities still suck up a lot of kids, but not as much as you would think. Having awesome small towns here on lakes where big city grinders holiday brings things into perspective.

That libertine paradise still exists, Howard. Most of BC is 'leave me alone Conservative', and I have been saying this for years. You know how all these classist liberals in the US howl that some high school educated stone mason can afford a big boat and brand new pick up? Yeah, that exists big time here in BC too and it kills the Vancouver holiday folk to watch some plumbers pull their kids around behind a $100k boat while listening to yacht rock and crushing buds, while the educated elites sip boutique wine on their waterfront condo balcony. But you know what? Its also BC, so people are pretty chill as long as you are nice. And those plumbers? They bought their boats with the money from plumbing in those luxury waterfront condos.
 

Blitz

Pigeon
Calgary is weird, they voted for UCP big time but their city council is a bunch of raging socialists including their gay Muslim mayor who isn’t married, has no kids and lives with his parents.
It's even worse; I've talked to some who influence the power players and the guy they're pushing for mayor now is a rich, white guy that just came out as gay. So in addition to pride month in June and pride week in September, I guess we'll just include pride in Happy Holidays in December now, because we need to tick those diversity boxes.
 

Blitz

Pigeon
Alberta conservatism is low taxes and the opportunity to grind out 70 hour weeks for $200k a year. And when they are told they are white racists they elect gay Muslims and adopt some black babies.

Alberta is not the same Ralph Klein Conservatives as when I grew up there. Albertans seem much more influenced by social media and are sensitive to the whims of others. The thick skin that New American Conservatives have grown would be a huge turning point for Alberta. I have seen it happening, especially with my own family and friends there, but it still causes a lot of friction among extended family, which is Alberta's main weakness; Family.

Calgary is learning what an imported white collar class does to a city. Bringing in tens of thousands of office drones from Toronto has changed the fabric quite significantly. And with booming times, the government will fatten their payrolls by the tens of thousands as well and the results are now the 75,000 NDP holdovers who have no chance of getting fired and will drag any government to a grind.

Its sad to see in Alberta, but in reality it deserves the initial shove. Now that they are down and getting the boots laid to them it might be time to get hard again. The New American Conservatives are a helluva lot more fun than these pillow biting fags from Ontario that show up to 'lead' Alberta every so often.

Fully agree, it is sad to see. I was born and raised in Calgary and grew up when it was a legitimately cool city with a rugged edge and unique identity. Now we're becoming Cleveland, just another boring city with nothing going for it aside from mountains. It's not a conservative city anymore, it's a libertarian city that will complain when libertarian tax policy eliminates schools or doesn't compensate them for new roads built close to their yards.

I'd leave if there wasn't so much potential to build something great through separation.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
I lived in Calgary from 2007-09 and it was awesome then during the boom, unfortunately I had to move north to Edmonton for work but always enjoyed my visits to Cowtown up until 2016. Since then the city is like a shell of it’s former self, the boom town vibe is definitely gone.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
I lived in Calgary from 2007-09 and it was awesome then during the boom, unfortunately I had to move north to Edmonton for work but always enjoyed my visits to Cowtown up until 2016. Since then the city is like a shell of it’s former self, the boom town vibe is definitely gone.
It died when that chick got banged on camera during stampede.... "Trampede" ...at that point it just became "2000's country music night in Toronto" kind of like how the Kentucky Derby is now drunk globohomo garbage and you wouldn't know if you were in Louisville, asheville, austin, nashville etc. if it weren't for the map. Its all the same.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
It died when that chick got banged on camera during stampede.... "Trampede" ...at that point it just became "2000's country music night in Toronto" kind of like how the Kentucky Derby is now drunk globohomo garbage and you wouldn't know if you were in Louisville, asheville, austin, nashville etc. if it weren't for the map. Its all the same.
WIFE MATERIAL (go to the 2:40 mark!)

I wonder what she's doing these days?

No regrats, you go grrrl!
 

FactusIRX

Robin
I think BC is better now than it ever has been. I know what you mean talking to the old timers about the 80's and 90's, as this was my memories of the place as well. But the memories of those who did well, do not align with those that lost everything and struggled for a decade. BC was pretty hurting for a lot of people through the 80's, which is why so many of my friends in Alberta had parents from BC. Now, there is a more diverse economy and opportunities for year round work are everywhere. Cities still suck up a lot of kids, but not as much as you would think. Having awesome small towns here on lakes where big city grinders holiday brings things into perspective.

That libertine paradise still exists, Howard. Most of BC is 'leave me alone Conservative', and I have been saying this for years. You know how all these classist liberals in the US howl that some high school educated stone mason can afford a big boat and brand new pick up? Yeah, that exists big time here in BC too and it kills the Vancouver holiday folk to watch some plumbers pull their kids around behind a $100k boat while listening to yacht rock and crushing buds, while the educated elites sip boutique wine on their waterfront condo balcony. But you know what? Its also BC, so people are pretty chill as long as you are nice. And those plumbers? They bought their boats with the money from plumbing in those luxury waterfront condos.
I love interior BC, and I wish I could move there. It's beautiful and relatively untouched by globo-homo. Recently visited and looks almost the same as when I was a child. I just don't like that the province is run by the globohomo globalists Marxists in Vancouver/Victoria. The property taxes, the sales tax, and the income tax are all ridiculous.

I like small town and rural Alberta, but both Calgary and Edmonton, like every major city in Canada, are compromised. Edmonton has become a total NDP/leftist hellhole and Calgary is a globo-homo, libertarian hive-mind.
 

FactusIRX

Robin
It died when that chick got banged on camera during stampede.... "Trampede" ...at that point it just became "2000's country music night in Toronto" kind of like how the Kentucky Derby is now drunk globohomo garbage and you wouldn't know if you were in Louisville, asheville, austin, nashville etc. if it weren't for the map. Its all the same.
Hate Stampede. One of the few benefits of coofid was that it was cancelled.
 
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