The Canada Political Thread

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
I'd easily bet $1,000 on a Trudeau win.

Poilievre is weak, and anyway most of the Canadian population is cucked.

The upcoming Alberta election will be the canary in the coal mine for what happens federally methinks.

Conservatives won a popular majority because of AB last election, and they still lost. In Rural ontario people's minds are regularly blown, still the libs keep winning.

Inflation and Impending Economic Doom will be the cause of a Trudeau downfall in my opinion. That said, when things are bad, Canadians will be looking for Trudeau for Welfare programs and Climate Cheques. Many will vote for more socialism out of fear. As long as Jagmeet is compliant and weak, Trudeau has the first mover advantage.
 

raveking

Sparrow
It's 50-50. As bad as Trudeau is, he has a history of "winning". Pierre will have to show up. It's confusing to many of us but I'm past the point of thinking Canadians will come to their senses. Recent scandals and follies might be blurry by the time the next election comes. And Trudeau will pick an opportune time. Jagmeet is weak.



Family, friends, Existing Employment, Attachment to land/place. The reality of uprooting is you are without roots when you go to the US. You will be an immigrant. I worked in North Carolina, and it was a beautiful place, lots of benefits and in many ways a better place than Canada.

Why did you leave North Carolina? Or are you still residing there? The thing is the government is making it increasingly difficult for successful individuals that are entrepreneurial and business minded to succeed in the country. Things like income tax being to high, capital gains tax in the form of deemed disposition on selling property/house flipping exists, carbon tax, wealth tax, and proposed citizenship tax tied to your passport by the NDP and Jagmeet Singh have utterly decimated and destroyed the middle and upper middle class. I've realized that Canada is a testing ground for Klaus Schwab and the WEF as far as advancing the Great Reset, where younger generations will continue to own nothing, and the authoritarian government can just freeze your bank accounts because Canadian truckers want to protest against the jab.

I really don't see the appeal of living here when the quality of life is declining, housing is completely unaffordable where the average 2-3 story house is $1.5-3 million in large cities like Toronto or Vancouver (I want to move out of the large cities). The only way to get to cheaper housing is to go somewhere even colder like Alberta, which seems to be the only sensible province left. I've considered Calgary and Edmonton as options, but I really don't have much faith in the redemption of this nation, Its really depressing leaving here almost all my life, to see how we're treated by this Trudeau government for the last 8 years. Even if someone were to come in to right the ship, they would have to undo 8 to potentially 12 years of damage this Liberal government has done to this beautiful country.
 
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NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
Why did you leave North Carolina? Or are you still residing there?

I worked there on a TN Visa years back for less than a year. So it was always temporary. But if I was moving to the US, NC would be near the top of my list, because I know it and I like it.

You are right about many things. I think my take is to etch out a Faith, Family, and friend group that is workable. Lots of decent people are checking out. I think you're right to consider another path or citizenship, I'm just not sure how much better the US will be. It's a personal decision.

To me the tough part is finding quality woman, and I don't see a big advantage in the US vs. Canada. I suppose Florida does have latinas and nice weather though. Let us know when you move. I think there is a "where to move or where to expatriate" thread somewhere that focuses on this topic specifically.
 

Seadog

Woodpecker
So...what are the chances of Trudeau winning a fourth term? I want honest opinions and answers, do we realistically think that Pierre can finally end this nightmare authoritarian socialist state? I'm asking seriously because I've been looking at houses in Texas and Florida and looking for jobs in those states as I've seen some really affordable houses in the Rio Grande Valley and Coral Beach/Fort Myers areas respectively in both of those states, makes me question why do I even live here in Canada? 0 state income tax and getting paid in USD is attractive to me as well as there are more job opportunities than the Canadian market. I also want to exercise my second amendment rights should I ever become a US citizen, I feel like I was born in the wrong country.

The difficulty of course is finding an employer that will sponsor you where you can apply for the T1 or H1-B visas and then working for a few years to get a green card. Does anyone have experience seeking permanent residence or obtaining US citizenship as a Canadian expat on these forums by any chance?

You're in for a long haul.

Most employers as soon as they hear non-resident go running for the hills.

I tried after I graduated from university, just to travel and get away from the cold, and beyond a couple interviews, had zero success. I did however get a job in the oil and gas industry in Ab, then partially by luck got a transfer to Tx. That was on an L1 visa, but requires you to have worked in Canada for a year. L1 in my research *can* be used to switch to PR, however that can only be done with the company's support, labour studies, lots of $$$, and my company did not want to support that because maybe the cynic in me would make you more marketable in the US, vs just restricted to your current employer.

H1B is a lottery system, so to get one your company needs to apply once a year, and get lucky as there are more applicants than visas which get filled in a day. Typically they go to Indian "engineers" to undercut US wages.

TN as you mentioned is doable, I have friends who applied themselves at border, although my company who brought people in under it still hired lawyers, its possible without. Not the case in L1 or H1B. There's a list of jobs, all at least semi professional like surveyor through doctor. The big downside is that it's a "non-immigrant" visa. Which means you apply for it with the good faith intention of returning to Canada. I've heard it is doable to go TN to GC, but its sort of skating on a razors edge with time lines and stuff. Absolutely requires a lawyer to go that path.

There's an investors visa, which I think means investing 500k or $1m and hiring a few people.

Finally you can go student route. But that means like 4 years of expensive US international tuition, but companies are more receptive I find to students already landed in the US for several years, and target the universities knowing they may have to go the student visa -> work visa route.

Well not finally, there's also ones for exceptional talent. Think like nobel prize level scientists, professional actors and athletes, a tier most of us probably aren't in....

Again to go back to the cynicism, but my experience was that companies prefer to keep people on visas as it gives them leverage, and they prefer people from third world countries, as their options are that much more restricted. Someone who's choices are Canada vs the US making ballpark similar money, is harder to bully than someone who's choices are India vs the US who's making an order of magnitude more money.

This has long been a point of contention with me about the US, and Trump actually made the immigration rules tighter. Australia it's pay like $7k, prove you have a professional degree, can speak English, relevant work experience, and you're in the door in months as a PR. Canada/UK/NZ I believe is similar. I just always felt those countries were culturally similar enough, that they'd integrate well, and no country gets worse off for having lots of doctors and engineers. But the US has put family status above all else. I ran into a customs officer one time at a hostel, and he basically said the easiest path towards PR is to marry someone. It's certainly easier to work illegally. But then its very low paying, and you need to know spanish, and your non-mexican skin (i'm presuming) actually gives an air of suspicion in those circles.

And FYI, you don't need to be a citizen to exercise your 2nd amendment rights. My buddy from here got a 9mm handgun, the rules saying that he had to do a hunting course, and get a hunting license. They asked him what he was going to hunt with a glock then laughed. I think the laws do vary state to state, but have at least one first hand account of someone who did it in Tx.
 

raveking

Sparrow
You're in for a long haul.

Most employers as soon as they hear non-resident go running for the hills.

I tried after I graduated from university, just to travel and get away from the cold, and beyond a couple interviews, had zero success. I did however get a job in the oil and gas industry in Ab, then partially by luck got a transfer to Tx. That was on an L1 visa, but requires you to have worked in Canada for a year. L1 in my research *can* be used to switch to PR, however that can only be done with the company's support, labour studies, lots of $$$, and my company did not want to support that because maybe the cynic in me would make you more marketable in the US, vs just restricted to your current employer.

H1B is a lottery system, so to get one your company needs to apply once a year, and get lucky as there are more applicants than visas which get filled in a day. Typically they go to Indian "engineers" to undercut US wages.

TN as you mentioned is doable, I have friends who applied themselves at border, although my company who brought people in under it still hired lawyers, its possible without. Not the case in L1 or H1B. There's a list of jobs, all at least semi professional like surveyor through doctor. The big downside is that it's a "non-immigrant" visa. Which means you apply for it with the good faith intention of returning to Canada. I've heard it is doable to go TN to GC, but its sort of skating on a razors edge with time lines and stuff. Absolutely requires a lawyer to go that path.

There's an investors visa, which I think means investing 500k or $1m and hiring a few people.

Finally you can go student route. But that means like 4 years of expensive US international tuition, but companies are more receptive I find to students already landed in the US for several years, and target the universities knowing they may have to go the student visa -> work visa route.

Well not finally, there's also ones for exceptional talent. Think like nobel prize level scientists, professional actors and athletes, a tier most of us probably aren't in....

Again to go back to the cynicism, but my experience was that companies prefer to keep people on visas as it gives them leverage, and they prefer people from third world countries, as their options are that much more restricted. Someone who's choices are Canada vs the US making ballpark similar money, is harder to bully than someone who's choices are India vs the US who's making an order of magnitude more money.

This has long been a point of contention with me about the US, and Trump actually made the immigration rules tighter. Australia it's pay like $7k, prove you have a professional degree, can speak English, relevant work experience, and you're in the door in months as a PR. Canada/UK/NZ I believe is similar. I just always felt those countries were culturally similar enough, that they'd integrate well, and no country gets worse off for having lots of doctors and engineers. But the US has put family status above all else. I ran into a customs officer one time at a hostel, and he basically said the easiest path towards PR is to marry someone. It's certainly easier to work illegally. But then its very low paying, and you need to know spanish, and your non-mexican skin (i'm presuming) actually gives an air of suspicion in those circles.

And FYI, you don't need to be a citizen to exercise your 2nd amendment rights. My buddy from here got a 9mm handgun, the rules saying that he had to do a hunting course, and get a hunting license. They asked him what he was going to hunt with a glock then laughed. I think the laws do vary state to state, but have at least one first hand account of someone who did it in Tx.

Thank you for your reply brother, I must admit it doesn't inspire much confidence in myself to head to the US. I have done some research on my own and there are some people that have gone through the immigration process through a TN1 and can take up to 5-6 years to get their green card. I am also aware of the list of professions that are applicable to the TN1 visa, correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that there is a greater degree of flexibility depending on the quality of your lawyers making this not much of a hurdle. I would like to know more about the investor visa you mentioned though, I am aware of citizenship by investment in places such as the Caribbean mainly St. Kitts and Nevis, Grenada, St. Lucia, ranging from $100,000-150,000 USD. I agree on the H1B not being viable as the chances of getting one is exceptionally difficult with their lottery system. The best options seem to the TN1 and L1, although with the L1 I haven't done enough research into it.

Just curious but do you still reside in Canada and do you plan on an exit strategy any time soon? I've just been thinking long term about my future and how I really don't want to spend another 20 years or so in this country. I've spent a third of my life here, and I think it's time to really look into places that allow for financial freedom and protection over my capital and understanding more about offshore tax planning. I've been informing myself through channels like Nomad Capitalist, WealthyExpat, and Offshore Citizen and I just simply want a better quality of life where I am actually treated better in the country I live in. When you're paying a marginal tax rate of 29% in my tax bracket and once I start earning six figures that becomes 37% I am really at my breaking point.

Let's imagine you're earning six figures and you're marginal tax rate is 37%, that's $26,680 a year in taxes you're paying. Over a 10 year period that's $268,800 in income taxes for this socialist authoritarian frozen wasteland of a hell hole. That's not to mention the things what I said in my previous post about deemed disposition in the form of capital gains tax on property sold, wealth & luxury tax, carbon tax, possible citizenship tax tied to your passport which is really an exit tax to keep wealth from leaving the country.

One way or another, I am going to get the f**ck out of Canada. There is no future here...
 

BeatUpTruck

Robin
Other Christian
It’s even worse if you factor in GST/PST or HST, plus all the other taxes. Property tax, school taxes, land transfer tax, etc.

We’re paying closer to 60% of everything we make in taxes. All for the pleasure of being screwed around by a corrupt government loyal to an evil agenda. It’s started to seriously rub me the wrong way too. I’m looking for my escape.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
It’s even worse if you factor in GST/PST or HST, plus all the other taxes. Property tax, school taxes, land transfer tax, etc.

We’re paying closer to 60% of everything we make in taxes. All for the pleasure of being screwed around by a corrupt government loyal to an evil agenda. It’s started to seriously rub me the wrong way too. I’m looking for my escape.

"In 2021, the average Canadian family earned an income of $99,030 and paid total taxes equaling $42,547 (43.0%). In 1961, the average family had an income of $5,000 and paid a total tax bill of $1,675 (33.5%)."

 

Seadog

Woodpecker
Thank you for your reply brother, I must admit it doesn't inspire much confidence in myself to head to the US. I have done some research on my own and there are some people that have gone through the immigration process through a TN1 and can take up to 5-6 years to get their green card. I am also aware of the list of professions that are applicable to the TN1 visa, correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that there is a greater degree of flexibility depending on the quality of your lawyers making this not much of a hurdle. I would like to know more about the investor visa you mentioned though, I am aware of citizenship by investment in places such as the Caribbean mainly St. Kitts and Nevis, Grenada, St. Lucia, ranging from $100,000-150,000 USD. I agree on the H1B not being viable as the chances of getting one is exceptionally difficult with their lottery system. The best options seem to the TN1 and L1, although with the L1 I haven't done enough research into it.

Just curious but do you still reside in Canada and do you plan on an exit strategy any time soon? I've just been thinking long term about my future and how I really don't want to spend another 20 years or so in this country. I've spent a third of my life here, and I think it's time to really look into places that allow for financial freedom and protection over my capital and understanding more about offshore tax planning. I've been informing myself through channels like Nomad Capitalist, WealthyExpat, and Offshore Citizen and I just simply want a better quality of life where I am actually treated better in the country I live in. When you're paying a marginal tax rate of 29% in my tax bracket and once I start earning six figures that becomes 37% I am really at my breaking point.

Let's imagine you're earning six figures and you're marginal tax rate is 37%, that's $26,680 a year in taxes you're paying. Over a 10 year period that's $268,800 in income taxes for this socialist authoritarian frozen wasteland of a hell hole. That's not to mention the things what I said in my previous post about deemed disposition in the form of capital gains tax on property sold, wealth & luxury tax, carbon tax, possible citizenship tax tied to your passport which is really an exit tax to keep wealth from leaving the country.

One way or another, I am going to get the f**ck out of Canada. There is no future here...

Yeah, it was really a hard pill to swallow, but there is really no good way to get in to the US unless you're a multi millionaire, or have a companies support - and then it will take months of times and thousands of dollars. Marriage really is the way to go.

The investor visa is the EB-5, and requires $1m US, and hiring 10 people.


Here's actually a pretty handy website I found outlining many of the visa options, but pretty much I had outlined them all.

I'm back in Canada now, I moved to Indonesia for a few years and was working for the same company over there. As oil slowed in 2014/15 I was moved back to Canada so they avoid paying me that sweet expat cash, and was laid off later that year. I moved back to my home town shortly after, as just I had spent almost a decade being baseless, renting furnished rooms, not being involved in the community, and often not knowing my schedule day-to-day but being on call for 24 hours straight for 2 weeks. Then you'd get a block of time off, so was great for stacking money and travelling. Very bad for relationships and community involvement. Anyone older than about 35 probably had estranged kids and multiple 6 figure divorces, but not bad for a young mans game. I was seeing my family, god daughter/best friends less than a handful of times a year, so wanted to have some stability. Honestly that's a big reason I haven't pushed harder to get out.

I do recall that you could invest something like 300k in St Kitts/Nevis and get a passport. If you recall Neil Strauss from "The Game" infamy, he wrote a book about precautions you can take that will help you in a SHTF scenario, and among survival and arms training, getting a second passport was also on the list. It might be a bit dated as the book is from 2009, but it was an interesting read.

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Portugal was just in the news last week as they were talking about ending their "golden visa" which was buy a house for 280k euros, or a few other investment options in that ball park, and you get PR. 14 day stay every 2 years required, then after 5 years apply for portugese/EU citizenship.

The other thing you can look into is retirement type sites. Places will often target retired seniors with special visas, but often you need to be 55+, and of course have several hundred k of money.

The big issue I found living overseas is that not being a native language speaker, growing up in a different culture, not being muslim, I was always viewed as a bit of a novelty outsider. It seemed even people who married locals, their families would be insistant they convert to Islam, and even then were never quite considered as "one of them".
 

LothropStoddard

Sparrow
Trad Catholic
It’s even worse if you factor in GST/PST or HST, plus all the other taxes. Property tax, school taxes, land transfer tax, etc.

We’re paying closer to 60% of everything we make in taxes. All for the pleasure of being screwed around by a corrupt government loyal to an evil agenda. It’s started to seriously rub me the wrong way too. I’m looking for my escape.
The fed gov will make your departure expensive too. If you're serious, you will need to carefully sever your residential ties and see an accountant to make sure you are going about it correctly.
 
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