The carnivore diet thread

[westernman]

First, I’ve already done that (thanks to what white people have taught me, since you want to bring race into it).

Second, what’s your point? We used to sacrifice people to ward off evil spirits, paint lead on our face to look paler, and have sex with girls as young as 12 regularly. Guess we should keep doing that, because it’s medieval, right?

Greeks got themselves into a massive debt hole because they couldn’t manage their finances, guess we should do that too, huh? Oh, wait...

Doing something just because someone else did it is a dumb argument.

Edit: the age was 14, not 12

Edit 2: I’ve already had this argument several times, so I’m not going to bother with it again. You don’t give a shit about what I have to say, and the feeling is mutual. So I’ll be ignoring you.

Edit 3: Here is a pic of a strong white man that eats no grains, since the skin color is the most important thing to some of the asshats here:
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Zero CAC score at the age of 56. If you’re over 40, you might want to check what your score is.

Why are you talking about European/civilizational people (incorrectly) as "we".

I think its great you have found a diet that fits you and your race.

Men of the past were clearly in peak physical and mental shape, leading to great accomplishments. Better shape than that pic you posted.

The carnivore diet is a progressive trend that is, like so many things today, a denial of our (white/civilizational people) past wisdom and who we are.

 

[Againstallodds]

Baker is an ex-bodybuilder and clearly on TRT his physique is just not relevant.

 

[Againstallodds]

My family has had plenty who lived 90+. My great grandmother was 105. Did not take a pill in her life and could still function before her death. Ate a Mediterranean diet with grains, vegetables, fruits, lambs, dairy, fish ect. Balanced diet. Why the hell would someone sacrifice so many yummy foods that are already proven to work.

Is the carnivore diet going to make me a superman who lives to 200? No, it's just the latest fad counter culture to veganism. It's crazy to be so scared of carbs.

 

[westernman]

My family has had plenty who lived 90+. My great grandmother was 105. Did not take a pill in her life and could still function before her death. Ate a Mediterranean diet with grains, vegetables, fruits, lambs, dairy, fish ect. Balanced diet. Why the hell would someone sacrifice so many yummy foods that are already proven to work.

Is the carnivore diet going to make me a superman who lives to 200? No, it's just the latest fad counter culture to veganism. It's crazy to be so scared of carbs.

Same here. family living all well into their 90s.

Many men here are extremely opposed to progressive ways, yet are adopting a progressive diet.

 

[DeWoken]

@Againstallodds, Frank T. says Dr. Baker is a cheater. He says he's a shill for Big Meat (Tyson, Cargil, and co.).

With regards to obesity over the decades, what caused the graph to look this way? Just too much screen time?

"this is fine"
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As WWBG's video on the previous page explained, starting in the 1970s the low-fat craze was pushed relentlessly by the MSM and quackademics. Now they've switched to the veg*n diets, and and when people wise up to those names it becomes "plaant-baaaste" and "flexitaaarian". But you know, they probably have our best interests in mind

It isn't the same wheat your grandpa ate. (And vegetables have changed, too.)

Your Guide To Understanding Wheat And How It’s Changed Over The Years

Wheat has been heavily maligned in the past few years, largely because of gluten. But, what is wheat exactly and how is it changing?

uproxx.com

Gluten sensitivity and Celiac’s rise is tied to the industrialization of our food commodities over the last 50 years (more on that later). And that shift has largely gone unstudied. This is changing — albeit very slowly. We’ve yet to look at whether or not Roundup has an effect, much less negative one, on our gut florae for instance. We do know glyphosate does transfer from the plant into the body because of urine studies conducted in Germany. So, we know that that agro-chemical is inside of us. We just don’t know what it’s doing to our microbiome. Still, it’s not too crazy a stretch to conclude that a chemical meant to kill florae could be having an ill effect on our own florae, which manage our body’s health.

Agriculture made us shorter.

Morphological change in cranial shape following the transition to agriculture across western Eurasia - Scientific Reports

The Neolithic transition brought about fundamental social, dietary and behavioural changes in human populations, which, in turn, impacted skeletal morphology. Crania are shaped through diverse genetic, ontogenetic and environmental factors, reflecting various elements of an individual’s life. To...

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As with all organisms, humans adapt to their environmental conditions, and patterns of associated morphological variation have been identified in the Neolithic transition. This comprises a general, organism-wide trend toward gracilisation, including reduction in stature3, long bone composition4, and cranial morphology.

 

[Lionheart]

My family has had plenty who lived 90+. My great grandmother was 105. Did not take a pill in her life and could still function before her death. Ate a Mediterranean diet with grains, vegetables, fruits, lambs, dairy, fish ect. Balanced diet. Why the hell would someone sacrifice so many yummy foods that are already proven to work.

Is the carnivore diet going to make me a superman who lives to 200? No, it's just the latest fad counter culture to veganism. It's crazy to be so scared of carbs.

I've seen the same thing in my family with very old people, some living over 100. None of them ate a specialized diet and the only exercise they did was picking weeds out of the garden or walking the dog.

 

[Optimus Princeps]

Not sure if anyone is still active that's on carnivore diet, but I found this thread a week ago and after reading through and watching a bunch of Ken Berry's videos decided to start.

I'm on day 4 or 5 now and feeling pretty good. I've had sugar cravings since I started but they're getting less and less. Also as Joe Rogan said your energy level really does feel constant. Having an auto-immune disorder, I already feel I'm benefiting from this reduction-diet and will definitely do a full-month (since January is world carnivore month anyways). After that I'm planning on adding different vegetables back to test my reaction to them. Does anyone have any experience with optimizing their diet or trying to add back veggies and how that went?

 

[Johnnyvee]

 

[Johnnyvee]

@Againstallodds, Frank T. says Dr. Baker is a cheater. He says he's a shill for Big Meat (Tyson, Cargil, and co.).

With regards to obesity over the decades, what caused the graph to look this way? Just too much screen time?
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"this is fine"
wiki

As WWBG's video on the previous page explained, starting in the 1970s the low-fat craze was pushed relentlessly by the MSM and quackademics. Now they've switched to the veg*n diets, and and when people wise up to those names it becomes "plaant-baaaste" and "flexitaaarian". But you know, they probably have our best interests in mind

It isn't the same wheat your grandpa ate. (And vegetables have changed, too.)

Your Guide To Understanding Wheat And How It’s Changed Over The Years

Wheat has been heavily maligned in the past few years, largely because of gluten. But, what is wheat exactly and how is it changing?

uproxx.com

Agriculture made us shorter.

Morphological change in cranial shape following the transition to agriculture across western Eurasia - Scientific Reports

The Neolithic transition brought about fundamental social, dietary and behavioural changes in human populations, which, in turn, impacted skeletal morphology. Crania are shaped through diverse genetic, ontogenetic and environmental factors, reflecting various elements of an individual’s life. To...

www.nature.com

None of us have adapted to an industrial diet, that`s true. But few people understand that the forces of natural selection are limited at older ages, but very strong at younger ages in a population. So that means that (and this is well proven with extremely solid data) adaptation to a novel environment like the agricultural transition will happen rapidly in younger people, but dissipate as we get older. We did get shorter, and developed a whole host of other diseases and malfunctions as we adapted to agriculture. But in time that meant that we adapted also, as selection for genes that had better adaptation to agriculture was very strong, and those things are not an issue anymore (like rickets etc.) And again, this is the agricultural environment I`m talking about, and not the industrial.

So we actually revert epigenetically to our ancestral adaptation as we get older. In Eurasians this shift occurs at around age 35-40. Some populations have never adapted to agriculture though, and in those groups there is never a time when agricultural diets are beneficial. (native Americans, Inuit, Aborigines etc.) There are also differences depending on when your ancestors made that transition. So if you have more Mediterranean ancestry or Persian/middle eastern etc. you would be better adapted at older ages, and might subside on an (organic preferentially) agricultural diet until age 50 for example. But in general the adaptation disappears at around age 35-40. So after that point you have to transition to our ancestral paleolithic diet to preserve health as best possible. You can then stop ageing much sooner than if you continue to subside on an agricultural diet and lifestyle also. Ageing does stop, but it stops much later on an agricultural diet and lifestyle than with the equivalent paleo diet and lifestyle. This is due to a quirk in the way that evolution works, that is a bit difficult to explain, as the science is complex. The 55 Theses | Michael Rose's 55

So if you consume a strict Mediterranean diet and have a lifestyle that emulates that of agricultural peoples, in terms of sun exposure, sleep, exercise, toxin exposure etc. ageing seems to stop at around age 90-95. Since extremely few people actually live like this 100 percent, and also since ageing stops at a significant reduced adaptation, (biological fitness) there is little chance of living that much longer. (I.e. your chances of dying are quite high on average, 30-40 percent per annum) But we don`t age further from that point, with that lifestyle. If you however emulate the paleo diet and lifestyle strictly, you can stop ageing much sooner, and with less reduced adaptation/fitness also. Maybe at around the biological age of 55. That means that you can potentially survive a very long time, with access to the best parts of modern civilization in terms of high quality living conditions and trauma medicine etc. So we need to take the best of our ancestors world and the best of our modern world. Then you are approaching the ideal in terms of health.

 

[Mortay]

Not sure if anyone is still active that's on carnivore diet, but I found this thread a week ago and after reading through and watching a bunch of Ken Berry's videos decided to start.

I'm on day 4 or 5 now and feeling pretty good. I've had sugar cravings since I started but they're getting less and less. Also as Joe Rogan said your energy level really does feel constant. Having an auto-immune disorder, I already feel I'm benefiting from this reduction-diet and will definitely do a full-month (since January is world carnivore month anyways). After that I'm planning on adding different vegetables back to test my reaction to them. Does anyone have any experience with optimizing their diet or trying to add back veggies and how that went?

I've been on and off the carnivore diet for the past 5 months. I decided to try again this month. I definitely feel the benefits and experience a better quality of life when I restrict my diet to only animal products. I also think the diet is good for testing what foods work well for you. I'll throw in some berries, avocados, or other whole foods now and then to see how my body reacts.

What is conflicting for me as a Christian is many of the carnivore gurus claim this is an "ancestral" diet and that our ancestors have been hunting and eating meat for "millions of years". Since they argue for evolution, I question the legitimacy of some of their reasoning. Also, I think people like Shawn Baker and Dr. Ken Berry come from military/government backgrounds. This makes me wonder if the diet has some sort of forced agenda or is controlled opposition to veganism. Some carnivores are just as fanatic as vegans. It's just weird how both these diets that are on the extreme ends have been heavily promoted lately.

 

[Hannibal]

Shawn Baker and Ken Berry are good and they are actual medical doctors. Shawn Baker in particular is a real athlete and has stuck to the carnivore lifestyle for years now.

Frank Tufano and Paul Saladino are nuts and I do not take them seriously, especially Frank Tufano with his grass fed nonsense or his weird and unnecessary preoccupation with organ meats. Tufano makes a lot of money selling grassfed beef with his side business. There are rumors that he's a closet fag and given the amount of drama he stirs up, I'm not surprised.

Saladino has basically no ideas of his own and started his shtick by copying everything Tufano did and claiming the research to be his own without giving Frank any credit.

I find the preoccupation with raw meat eating, organ meats, grassfed beef, etc to be a form of nonproductive gatekeeping as none of those things are necessary for optimal health on the all meat diet. You can be in fine health eating nothing but salted hamburgers and eggs, and I have done so on and off for well over a year now.

 

[Optimus Princeps]

I've been on and off the carnivore diet for the past 5 months. I decided to try again this month. I definitely feel the benefits and experience a better quality of life when I restrict my diet to only animal products. I also think the diet is good for testing what foods work well for you. I'll throw in some berries, avocados, or other whole foods now and then to see how my body reacts.

What is conflicting for me as a Christian is many of the carnivore gurus claim this is an "ancestral" diet and that our ancestors have been hunting and eating meat for "millions of years". Since they argue for evolution, I question the legitimacy of some of their reasoning. Also, I think people like Shawn Baker and Dr. Ken Berry come from military/government backgrounds. This makes me wonder if the diet has some sort of forced agenda or is controlled opposition to veganism. Some carnivores are just as fanatic as vegans. It's just weird how both these diets that are on the extreme ends have been heavily promoted lately.

I too question the "our diet for the last 200,000 years was mainly meat, we evolved our brain from meat eating, etc..". I pretty much just disregard those points, and even without those, the fact is that carnivore reduces pretty much all inflammatory foods. No matter which way you look at it, grains, sugars, processed shit, preservatives, etc.. are all bad for you. Is it better to eat some fruits and vegetables? Probably. Is it worth going carnivore your whole life? Probably not unless you have serious health conditions you're trying to control. Anecdotally I do feel the benefits already and don't have anymore brain fog.

However, after a month I will very likely keep adding fruits and veggies back and subsequently remove them when they cause inflammation. What Ken Berry said about carnivore was that there's not really any money to be made in the space. It seems really grassroots and I don't see what the goal would be if it was a psy op. Compare it to veganism and vegetarianism, how big of a platform they get and how the mainstream media gives them airtime as opposed to demonizing meat, it seems pretty clear it's not an agenda.

 

[SlickyBoy]

There is some truth to varying diets. Supposedly AB blood type is the newest blood type (about 600 years old) and had something to do with consumption of grains. Before that, type B had a lot to do with increased dairy consumptions. You don't have to disregard christianity to accept the fact that diets could have mutated with changing populations and demographic shifts.

 

[Jünger]

 

[Johnnyvee]

I think this is an important observation. The CPI is unreliable for many reasons, and one that I hadn`t thought of is this; rising prices will cause consumers to switch to lower quality products, including foods! So as long as you operate with a basket of goods, as opposed to a single well defined product like a type of meat with a certain defined quality etc, it will not reflect the reality of consumer prices. (People just alter their spending towards the cheaper products within a category of goods.)

I can`t afford to eat grass-fed ribeye`s and so on to match my daily caloric requirement where I live, and with the income that I have, so I have to make compromises that negatively affects my health. If we did the right things in terms of agricultural and tax polices, I think that it would look very different. We are forced to sponsor big-food and pharma via our tax bills.

 

[Slim Whitman]

It's pretty obvious to me that carnivore is a meme diet fad on par with the Atkins Diet.
Obviously it can be used as a fast way to lose weight, but that only lasts for as long as you're on this unnatural diet. You balloon back up as soon as you go back to standard dietary habits. Just like with all the other fads.

Everyone started talking about it right around the same time, and nearly all of them have since slunk away and stopped mentioning all the "amazing benefits" of it, because they didn't stick with it. Classic traits of a fad diet.

If you have the self-discipline to only eat meat for an extended time, then it should be easy to instead just cut out all sugar, processed foods, and excessive carbs, which would give you similar benefits while allowing for a more balanced diet that includes greens.

 

[Hannibal]

It's pretty obvious to me that carnivore is a meme diet fad on par with the Atkins Diet.
Obviously it can be used as a fast way to lose weight, but that only lasts for as long as you're on this unnatural diet. You balloon back up as soon as you go back to standard dietary habits. Just like with all the other fads.

Everyone started talking about it right around the same time, and nearly all of them have since slunk away and stopped mentioning all the "amazing benefits" of it, because they didn't stick with it. Classic traits of a fad diet.

If you have the self-discipline to only eat meat for an extended time, then it should be easy to instead just cut out all sugar, processed foods, and excessive carbs, which would give you similar benefits while allowing for a more balanced diet that includes greens.

There is nothing unnatural about the carnivore diet, it is the original diet.
Spinach, avocados, corn, wheat, none of that shit existed tens of thousands of years ago, however people did.

Carnivore requires no self discipline unless you think putting a steak in a pan for 6 minutes constitutes work. Meat is delicious and satisfying. Sugary shit, bread, vegetables, none of those things are satisfying. If they were we wouldnt have a 40% obesity rate. The average fatty can eat an entire throw pillow of vegetables, pass out, then sleepwalk to the fridge and eat half a sheet cake.

Many of the people who stopped the carnivore diet did so due to covid, when there were meat deserts and ground beef was $10 a pound.

 

[Edin]

My ten reasons why carnivore diet is my human diet.

1. The biggest proof for me is that you don't experience hunger like before. That means that the body is well nourished. I could easily stop here and be done.
2. No indigestion. The body does not have to suffer processing strange substances.
3. No dental problems. I almost don't need to follow any dental hygiene. No bad breath, no bleeding gums, no strange pain in the jaw.
4. No anxieties. meaning the nervous system is working properly.
5. Good sleep. Hormonal balance.
6. No early morning sluggishness. Better metabolism.
7. No need to toll the land to grow "healthy" vegetables. It's too much work with poor returns. Not getting heart broken by a single storm destroying a whole year's work.
8. More testosterone, better ability to reason and logic.
9. If you care about nature, it is more natural to see a lovely meadow with lots of different grasses and wild flowers and grazing animals than a boring field of nothing but stupid potatoes.
10. For me personally, as a dedicated celibate I feel less tempted than if I eat carbs especially.

 

[Edin]

I experienced all of the same benefits this girl has.

 

[Johnnyvee]

For once I agree with Neil deGrasse Tyson...