The Catholic Church thread
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Kish said:
He should and he does but his job is to get people in the Church. His target audience is not hardcore Catholics who know the stuff anyway, but people who have little knowledge about Catholicism. He lures in with promising that it's all quite easy and undemanding and the more in you are the more you will learn of the demands.
Most religions do this, Islam is even more dishonest then Christianity in this way, because Muslims never tell wannabe converts that you deserve to die if you leave Islam. And of course sects (mislabeled as cults in English) like Scientology or Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons are even worse slander you and make you lose your family and they probably would kill you for leaving too, but unlike Islam they are too weak to get away with that.
Christianity lures you in telling all you need is to observe a few rituals like mass and rarely do a sacrament and just observe commandments, but the more you are in the more it will be revealed that you are so abhorrent a sinner that only God's grace can save you and you must pray for it day and night, leave everything of this world behind and God gives no warranty apparent in this life. This can drive you paranoid and push you to become dogmatic and fanatical.
All religions will milk you as much as you allow them to. If you are a casual faithful they will take just your donations, but if you ask for it they will all be glad to make a martyr out of you.
While the Catholic spirituality is somewhat valid and will indeed make you a better person and make you more in relative (compared to a secularist or protestant) tune with Natural Law, it is still an unnatural priest class run religion an their discourse with lay people will always be full of half-truths and marketing tricks and game. Same with Protestantism. Watched a few Living Water videos. They are all clearly edited and full of game and half-truths.
You must practice union with God independently of your circumstances, being in a religion or a sect (mislabeled cult in English) or not. Only this will allow you to find the real balance point between sinfulness and fanaticism. This is why I consider Yoga and meditation to be the superior path. You must connect with divine directly, if you use a proxy like a scripture or a priest you will be manipulated.
This might be a topic for another thread, but how do those of you who are American nationalists and Catholic square your beliefs with the current state of your church in the US? I'm referring specifically to how the RCC pushes for open borders and mass immigration from Latin America and the rest of the third world. I attend mass with my Latina devout Catholic wife and even when it's the rare English mass (there are more in Spanish in our area now) no more than about 20% of those in attendance were born in the US. Last Memorial Day we sang "America the Beautiful" as the last hymn. The Asian couple behind us laughed audibly and stood up and left, as did most of the congregation who, again, were mostly foreigners.
At my wife's community celebrations of the Eucharist they go through the motions of having it mostly in English, but we could just switch into Spanish and almost everyone would be more comfortable. I imagine we will eventually switch into Spanish with interpreters for the few, aging heritage Americans who still show up. We get Mexican priests preaching about the need for "immigration reform" and I don't think they're talking about Trump's wall. On a larger scale, there are the current pope's statement about not building walls.
Is any of this a concern to those of you who are Catholic and dissident right and against mass immigration into the US?
At my wife's community celebrations of the Eucharist they go through the motions of having it mostly in English, but we could just switch into Spanish and almost everyone would be more comfortable. I imagine we will eventually switch into Spanish with interpreters for the few, aging heritage Americans who still show up. We get Mexican priests preaching about the need for "immigration reform" and I don't think they're talking about Trump's wall. On a larger scale, there are the current pope's statement about not building walls.
Is any of this a concern to those of you who are Catholic and dissident right and against mass immigration into the US?
bucky said:
I have spoken with white Catholic priests on their stance on Immigration and Nationalism.
The answer is that they care only about the faith. They do not care if a country survives or a race survives as long as faith survives. They do not care if it's Whites or Latinos or Asians or Blacks who continue to carry on the Church, as long as the Church survives.
This is not something a priest will tell you in a sermon. This is however the answer you can get in a private conversation if you have some trust established and can read behind vaguely obscured lines.
I believe they are not understanding what they are doing by thinking like this. I believe in each ethos has cognitive differences and each nation is prone to make their own changes in the faith once adopted. Arabic (Sunni) Islam is not like Persian (Shiite) Islam. Latino Catholicism will not be like White Catholicism. The leftist leanings of the first Latino Pope and the Santa Muerte cult that pollutes Latino Christianity is proof of that. But the Catholic Church is a Roman church and Rome is an empire. They do not care about the quality and purity of faith as much as with quantity and recognition. A Latino or Chinese believer, even if he mixes in his Azteck death cult or Confucian ethics or ancestor worship is as good as a white Catholic in 50th generation as long as he tithes and serves as instrument for further spread. The Catholic Church has played this game of absorbing pagan beliefs, giving saints functions of pagan gods, celebrating pagan festivities as Christian ones, to make hasty haphazard conversions from it's very infancy. They play the long term game and will wait for the differences to erode with time and changes of generation. Catholic Church is absolutely a globalist power.
A Jew does not think like a Greek. The Church has Jewish origins but since there were much more Greeks to convert it changed theology rapidly in early centuries until it became more Greek like with Logos and all that Greek stuff. It changed later even more to absorb the pagan Barbarians. It doesn't mind to change again if needed to absorb blacks or Chinese. It doesn't care for your nationality or for your country. They do not even care for individual souls and purity of individual beliefs. The survival of Church is what matters and it depends on numbers.
They are the Romans, the first empire of official history (Persians just barely poking under the rug). As Rome carried banners of Mars to conquer the world, the Romans of today continue the conquest under the Cross.
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Church Crisis: Communist & Homosexual Infiltration & a Time for Purification ~ Fr Robert Altier
(My notes below of the 22 minute video for those that would rather read/video gets taken down)
"We have to make most of opportunity, because the days are evil" - St. Paul
Evil is called good and good is called evil. Evil things are not ok, but we have been brainwashed.
301 priests violated more than 1000 children in state of Pennsylvania.
It was covered up by Bishops, who had an agenda. In 2002, the Bishops say it's pedophilia.
But The John J. Institute was hired to investigate. They said it is a homosexual problem.
86.6% of sexual assaults were on post-pubescent males. Less than 3% were pedophilia - so it was pederasty, not pedophilia.
Some good people struggle with homosexual orientation - it itself is not evil - the activity is evil.
Putting homosexuals in seminary is putting them in a direction position of temptation. It is intentional and malicious, designed to destroy church from within.
The seminary in early-mid 80's was the worst. If you were not a homosexual/radical feminist, you were in big trouble.
One professor said, "Martin Luther had right idea but he did it the wrong way: He left the church".
A group of predatory homosexuals in 1924 started infiltration.
Bella Dodd, who wrote the book School of Darkness, testified before Congress in 1953 and said they got instructions from the Kremlin 1929.
Their strategy was to take the best and the brightest - good looking sociable guys who got promoted to become bishops and vocation directors.
William Foster ran for US President in 1924, 1928, and 1932 for Communist Party USA, “Toward Soviet America".
"We aren’t able to get to the Americans because of three things: their morality, their family, and their patriotism”
"Through homosexuality and radical feminism we will attack them". They were extraordinarily successful.
Predatory homosexuals became priests, set out to destroy the church from within.
In this, they are at every level. An article came out from Catholic Registrar: 6 Newark priests diocese spoke about the homosexual network.
RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) laws are being talked about being used against the church at federal level.
So why don’t the good priests speak up?
Everyone has known for 40-50 years: would anyone have believed? And who would they have gone to?
If you wanted to be ordained, even as a priest, you couldn’t say a word.
They anonymously interviewed those Newark Priests out of fear.
These people have that much power.
“Lord to whom shall we go, you have the words of eternal life” The Church was founded for the salvation of souls.
Our Lady’s work has finally begun. She gave the bishops 16 years to clean up this mess, but they did nothing.
“We need more polices” is nonsense. We need action, not policies. Bishops are not trusted anymore.
Our faith is not in priests, bishops, cardinals or the pope, but in Jesus Christ.
We need to keep our focus on Him.
He, the founder, promised that the jaws of hell will not prevail against her. The Church appears to be destroyed.
But like telling a teenage to clean their room, the kid panics when the mother starts to go through the room with a garbage bag.
When it’s all done, the room will be immaculate. That is what is going to happen. Our Lady will clean house.
It will not be pleasant getting there. Are we going to remain faithful? The resurrection only happened after the crucifixion.
Purification begins in the House of God. What happens when it falls outside the church: all going down.
It starts in the Church.
St. John Paul says, it's, "A new springtime".
Our Lady of Fatima: The triumph of her immaculate heart, and after that triumph of a long period of peace and unprecedented growth for the church.
We need to remain in prayer and fasting. With this kind of demon, only those actions work to get rid of it. Hard times, but we have the resurrection.
It's a new springtime and a triumph of the immaculate heart.
Remain faithful to Jesus. St. Louis de Montford: "God is going to raise up greatest saints. They will tower over saints of the past, the way the cedar of Lebanon towers over a shrub".
Like what St. Paul said in the gospel: "This is making the best out of the situation. The times are evil, so make the best out of your opportunity to remain faithful to Jesus all the way to the crucifixion and become a great saint."
For further reading:
The Homo-Sexual Network, 1982 book by Enrique Rueda.
Communist Infiltration, 1929 book by John Vennari.
(My notes below of the 22 minute video for those that would rather read/video gets taken down)
"We have to make most of opportunity, because the days are evil" - St. Paul
Evil is called good and good is called evil. Evil things are not ok, but we have been brainwashed.
301 priests violated more than 1000 children in state of Pennsylvania.
It was covered up by Bishops, who had an agenda. In 2002, the Bishops say it's pedophilia.
But The John J. Institute was hired to investigate. They said it is a homosexual problem.
86.6% of sexual assaults were on post-pubescent males. Less than 3% were pedophilia - so it was pederasty, not pedophilia.
Some good people struggle with homosexual orientation - it itself is not evil - the activity is evil.
Putting homosexuals in seminary is putting them in a direction position of temptation. It is intentional and malicious, designed to destroy church from within.
The seminary in early-mid 80's was the worst. If you were not a homosexual/radical feminist, you were in big trouble.
One professor said, "Martin Luther had right idea but he did it the wrong way: He left the church".
A group of predatory homosexuals in 1924 started infiltration.
Bella Dodd, who wrote the book School of Darkness, testified before Congress in 1953 and said they got instructions from the Kremlin 1929.
Their strategy was to take the best and the brightest - good looking sociable guys who got promoted to become bishops and vocation directors.
William Foster ran for US President in 1924, 1928, and 1932 for Communist Party USA, “Toward Soviet America".
"We aren’t able to get to the Americans because of three things: their morality, their family, and their patriotism”
"Through homosexuality and radical feminism we will attack them". They were extraordinarily successful.
Predatory homosexuals became priests, set out to destroy the church from within.
In this, they are at every level. An article came out from Catholic Registrar: 6 Newark priests diocese spoke about the homosexual network.
RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) laws are being talked about being used against the church at federal level.
So why don’t the good priests speak up?
Everyone has known for 40-50 years: would anyone have believed? And who would they have gone to?
If you wanted to be ordained, even as a priest, you couldn’t say a word.
They anonymously interviewed those Newark Priests out of fear.
These people have that much power.
“Lord to whom shall we go, you have the words of eternal life” The Church was founded for the salvation of souls.
Our Lady’s work has finally begun. She gave the bishops 16 years to clean up this mess, but they did nothing.
“We need more polices” is nonsense. We need action, not policies. Bishops are not trusted anymore.
Our faith is not in priests, bishops, cardinals or the pope, but in Jesus Christ.
We need to keep our focus on Him.
He, the founder, promised that the jaws of hell will not prevail against her. The Church appears to be destroyed.
But like telling a teenage to clean their room, the kid panics when the mother starts to go through the room with a garbage bag.
When it’s all done, the room will be immaculate. That is what is going to happen. Our Lady will clean house.
It will not be pleasant getting there. Are we going to remain faithful? The resurrection only happened after the crucifixion.
Purification begins in the House of God. What happens when it falls outside the church: all going down.
It starts in the Church.
St. John Paul says, it's, "A new springtime".
Our Lady of Fatima: The triumph of her immaculate heart, and after that triumph of a long period of peace and unprecedented growth for the church.
We need to remain in prayer and fasting. With this kind of demon, only those actions work to get rid of it. Hard times, but we have the resurrection.
It's a new springtime and a triumph of the immaculate heart.
Remain faithful to Jesus. St. Louis de Montford: "God is going to raise up greatest saints. They will tower over saints of the past, the way the cedar of Lebanon towers over a shrub".
Like what St. Paul said in the gospel: "This is making the best out of the situation. The times are evil, so make the best out of your opportunity to remain faithful to Jesus all the way to the crucifixion and become a great saint."
For further reading:
The Homo-Sexual Network, 1982 book by Enrique Rueda.
Communist Infiltration, 1929 book by John Vennari.
The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) published a big document called The Basis Of The Social Concept in which many topics are discussed, including the existence of distinct ethnic groups that have a right to exist and basically maintain their sense of sovereignty so long as they don’t impose their own cultural beliefs and particularities onto the rest of the Church. In my experience, ROCOR priests are usually the most red-pilled on topics like this but even then there is a hypocrisy displayed by some in regards to treating Europeans differently from every other group (as in, everyone else has a right to defend themselves except for that group).
Ultimately, as mentioned above, our salvation does not depend in any way on the cultural opinions of priests, monks, bishops, or even Patriarchs. Our salvation depends on Christ and our conforming to His will.
Ultimately, as mentioned above, our salvation does not depend in any way on the cultural opinions of priests, monks, bishops, or even Patriarchs. Our salvation depends on Christ and our conforming to His will.
Mage and others are as confused as I used to be.
Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.
They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.
I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.
No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.
Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.
They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.
I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.
No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.
Leonard D Neubache said:
But do the Catholics really "lead the way in morality...in the West" anymore? I'll grant you that you can't complain about their official stance on abortion and gay/transexuality acceptance, although even then the RCC in the US doesn't seem to speak up much against the latter. There was a golden opportunity just recently when the state of Illinois made teaching schoolkids about great LGBT Americans before high school age a requirement by law. Crickets from the Catholics, as far as I know.
I don't expect a church to protect the US southern border, especially not a church that seems increasingly foreign and un-American to me the more I get to know it. What's a problem is when that church actively works to undermine my country and aide in its transformation into the horror show I witnessed when living in Central America. I can't see how the RCC can somehow be leading the West in morality while at the same time actively working to destroy the West.
Leonard D Neubache said:
Nobody is saying that Catholic priests need to be protecting countries from immigration with machine guns, but they have to testify truth in all matters, even ones not concerning their Church. And when immigration is allowed on the levels of gradual occupation ,they should be able to call it that. If you claim to represent the Truth then you should say the truth in all matters.
The priests of Latin America should have the integrity to preach to their congregations, not to covet US riches, to work hard on their own land, to defeat their drug trafficking and Santa Muerte worshiping problems and to build a prosperous nation rivaling that of USA with their own work, prayer and ethics.
Leonard D Neubache said:
Keep on projecting Leonard.
True yoga is very demanding. It's a pity you have the idea that yoga is what tatooed thots do at fitness centers. I will not go off topic to debunk it in this thread. If you had integrity to research contrary opinion you would understand that a true yoga practitioner would be obliged to do observe all the same moral acts as prescribed in ten commandments and more. No lying, stealing, murdering, abortion, adultery e.t.c. Adding to that goes non-agressive vegetarianism and bodily training and ascetics, much more fasting then standard Christian. Also added in comes respect for Nature, Earth and not polluting. The one thing yogis are not supposed to do is sing songs to some Savior and expect him to do all the heavy work of saving your ass from consequences of your bad deeds in your place. Although there are Yoga based sects that do that too, but I do not recommend that.
Leonard D Neubache said:
Duh. That is because Catholics and Orthodox have the largest numbers. No other spiritual group has the numbers to offer organized resistance to the secularist imposed degeneracy.
"True yoga is very demanding".
Well that just nails the entire point, doesn't it? True Christianity is very demanding (until it becomes reflexive I'm told). Going to gay-flag church and listening to the Beto clone talk about inclusiveness is the equivalent of thot yoga, and persevering to fulfill Orthodox requirements is the equivalent of your level 10 yoga. Frankly even if you're convinced that your level of spiritual ascendancy can no longer be contained by ancient Christian standards then you would surely be aware that 99% of the population are entirely unsuited to go down that path and in fact them attempting to do so has landed us precisely where we are today.
I can't speak to your national situation because you haven't listed a location, suffice to say if the Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox didn't exist then neither would the entire civilization we've come to benefit from. It's frankly ridiculous to suggest that our pagan ancestors were on the verge of launching into advanced literacy, numeracy and science and that Christianity has simply held them back from blasting longboats deep into the galaxy to raid alien villages.
Regardless of what your personal situation is, the Catholic church has advanced the people of the West and though it is suffering currently from degradation it has suffered similarly in the past and come back strong then as well. It would be the greatest victory for the forces of darkness were they able to bring down such an ancient Christian edifice which is precisely why they drive infantile egotistians to chip away at it relentlessly. In 100 years you opinions will be dust, the opinions of every spiritual anarchist will be dust, and so will this forum, but God willing the Church will remain.
Mage said:
To be fair, this was a favorite topic of the parish priest at the church my wife and I attended when we lived in her country. He'd point out that although Americans and Europeans might have more stuff, they're not necessarily happier, they're more susceptible to degeneracy, you shouldn't daydream about everything becoming better if you can just get to the first world, etc.
This was the same priest who advised her before we got married that, because we'd probably eventually move back to the US, she needed to remember that feminism is the work of Satan and not a good basis for family life.
I never heard any of the other priests down there preach about "riforma migratoria" and how racist the "guerritos" in the US are. That mainly seems like a US Catholic thing, as far as I can tell.
Well there you go admitting that Religion is a tool of social engineering for you. Yes Christianity is easier for masses to accept than individual spiritual practice that requires high level of consciousness and self-control. Doesn't mean that the easiest path is the true one.Leonard D Neubache said:
"True yoga is very demanding".
Well that just nails the entire point, doesn't it? True Christianity is very demanding (until it becomes reflexive I'm told). Going to gay-flag church and listening to the Beto clone talk about inclusiveness is the equivalent of thot yoga, and persevering to fulfill Orthodox requirements is the equivalent of your level 10 yoga. Frankly even if you're convinced that your level of spiritual ascendancy can no longer be contained by ancient Christian standards then you would surely be aware that 99% of the population are entirely unsuited to go down that path and in fact them attempting to do so has landed us precisely where we are today.
Leonard D Neubache said:
You are entering the realm of fantasy football speculation here. What would have been if history went otherwise and what will be in future. Your emotional speculations are non provable and non-disprovable.
Seems like there's a semantic problem here.
In practice, there's a difference between the Catholic Faith and the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church is ultimately a worldly institution, it is of the world.
Its moral authority is no better and no worse than that of the people running it.
If good, honest and God-fearing Catholic Christians want the Church to be more good, honest and God-fearing than it is right now, well, then they need to get involved and take action.
The Church as it is right now has been infiltrated and partly subverted by people who are not good, honest and God-fearing. How could this happen?
Well, because the enemy at least cared enough to get involved and take action, while many others who could have easily opposed them chose not to, for whatever reason.
In practice, there's a difference between the Catholic Faith and the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church is ultimately a worldly institution, it is of the world.
Its moral authority is no better and no worse than that of the people running it.
If good, honest and God-fearing Catholic Christians want the Church to be more good, honest and God-fearing than it is right now, well, then they need to get involved and take action.
The Church as it is right now has been infiltrated and partly subverted by people who are not good, honest and God-fearing. How could this happen?
Well, because the enemy at least cared enough to get involved and take action, while many others who could have easily opposed them chose not to, for whatever reason.
How do you figure they could have easily determined which priests were part of the gay mafia while they were being ordained over the last 30 years?
The whole point of infiltration is that the people you're slipping by don't know what your real motives are until it's too late.
The whole point of infiltration is that the people you're slipping by don't know what your real motives are until it's too late.
The Catholic Church could have easily saved itself - rather gone back to the core teachings, started to preach traditional values and the virtues of the family as well as patriarchy.
And they should have gone forward by a simple homo-eliminating tool - strongly preferring married men to become priests. This was true in the Catholic Church up until the 1400s and even then - up until recently it was understood that the village priest had his female caretaker "single mother" as his wife. The church bakc in the day stopped the practice only due to money and inheritance concerns.
By now the insanity in the left would have given them an increasing popularity on top of the married priests and the sheer increase of men willing to become priests.
Also interesting to find out that the overwhelming of those "pedophilia" cases were just gay boys starting affairs with gay priests. Makes far more sense - not that the media would like to report that. Even Milo reported on this and he certainly wasn't the only one with his priest. Since getting married would be the norm, then never married priests would be looked upon with suspicion.
But I am afraid that the Catholic church slept through all of it, also being too blind to be aware of the infiltration by the globo-homos. Now it's even too late - the current pope is ushering in a bunch of progressive cardinals so that no conservative real reformer will ever be voted in.
And they should have gone forward by a simple homo-eliminating tool - strongly preferring married men to become priests. This was true in the Catholic Church up until the 1400s and even then - up until recently it was understood that the village priest had his female caretaker "single mother" as his wife. The church bakc in the day stopped the practice only due to money and inheritance concerns.
By now the insanity in the left would have given them an increasing popularity on top of the married priests and the sheer increase of men willing to become priests.
Also interesting to find out that the overwhelming of those "pedophilia" cases were just gay boys starting affairs with gay priests. Makes far more sense - not that the media would like to report that. Even Milo reported on this and he certainly wasn't the only one with his priest. Since getting married would be the norm, then never married priests would be looked upon with suspicion.
But I am afraid that the Catholic church slept through all of it, also being too blind to be aware of the infiltration by the globo-homos. Now it's even too late - the current pope is ushering in a bunch of progressive cardinals so that no conservative real reformer will ever be voted in.
I believe we are entering into a period where there will be a serious shake-up of the old order. I don't think that anything can be taken for granted as being on lockdown for this group or that. I agree that if things were to continue as they are today then, yes, there would be no reform. But my sense is that God's hand is poised to flip the table and reinforce natural law on the wicked and the immoral. Perhaps not in the way we expect and anticipate, but the foundations of the globohomo are rotting away rapidly.
God moves in mysterious ways and ultimately it is His Church. He will discipline it in His time.
God moves in mysterious ways and ultimately it is His Church. He will discipline it in His time.
Leonard D Neubache said:
Hope you're right in the first paragraph there. Before I met my wife I was very down on the RCC. Then I started attending mass with her in her country, met a lot of good people and priests, and ultimately got a great wife who was a virgin when I met her, so my opinion of the church got a lot better. Now that I've seen the state of the church in the US, my opinion is somewhat has taken a nosedive again, although I try to remind myself of the good I saw in Central America.
As to the RCC being "God's church" I've lately begun to suspect that the Orthodox have it right, in the sense that different religions are right for different ethnicities. That is the RCC for southern Europeans, Irishmen, and Latin Americans, the various Orthodox churches for their respective nationalities (Russian, Greek, Egyptian, etc), Protestantism for northern Europeans, Islam for Arabs, Turks, and Persians, and so on.