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Woodpecker
Vigano accuses Cardinal Sarah of causing him ‘harm’ in row over coronavirus letter

In a statement published May 8, the archbishop criticized Cardinal Robert Sarah’s decision to distance himself from the letter, titled “Appeal for the Church and the World,” which argues that the coronavirus pandemic has been exploited in order to create a one-world government.


It seems Cardinal Sarah got cold feet and signed the letter but withdrawn from it. Sad. Disappointment. I actually enjoyed listening to him.

Text of the appeal (I disagree with the contagiousness part. Since I believe the death rate is low but it´s highly contagious to allow the virus to spread for phase 2. I´ve already signed it) :


  • May 7, 2020

APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD
to Catholics and all people of good will

Sign the appeal
Veritas liberabit vos.
Jn 8:32
In this time of great crisis, we Pastors of the Catholic Church, by virtue of our mandate, consider it our sacred duty to make an Appeal to our Brothers in the Episcopate, to the Clergy, to Religious, to the holy People of God and to all men and women of good will. This Appeal has also been undersigned by intellectuals, doctors, lawyers, journalists and professionals who agree with its content, and may be undersigned by those who wish to make it their own.
The facts have shown that, under the pretext of the Covid-19 epidemic, the inalienable rights of citizens have in many cases been violated and their fundamental freedoms, including the exercise of freedom of worship, expression and movement, have been disproportionately and unjustifiably restricted. Public health must not, and cannot, become an alibi for infringing on the rights of millions of people around the world, let alone for depriving the civil authority of its duty to act wisely for the common good. This is particularly true as growing doubts emerge from several quarters about the actual contagiousness, danger and resistance of the virus. Many authoritative voices in the world of science and medicine confirm that the media’s alarmism about Covid-19 appears to be absolutely unjustified.
We have reason to believe, on the basis of official data on the incidence of the epidemic as related to the number of deaths, that there are powers interested in creating panic among the world’s population with the sole aim of permanently imposing unacceptable forms of restriction on freedoms, of controlling people and of tracking their movements. The imposition of these illiberal measures is a disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control.
We also believe that in some situations the containment measures that were adopted, including the closure of shops and businesses, have precipitated a crisis that has brought down entire sectors of the economy. This encourages interference by foreign powers and has serious social and political repercussions. Those with governmental responsibility must stop these forms of social engineering, by taking measures to protect their citizens whom they represent, and in whose interests they have a serious obligation to act. Likewise, let them help the family, the cell of society, by not unreasonably penalizing the weak and elderly, forcing them into a painful separation from their loved ones. The criminalization of personal and social relationships must likewise be judged as an unacceptable part of the plan of those who advocate isolating individuals in order to better manipulate and control them.
We ask the scientific community to be vigilant, so that cures for Covid-19 are offered in honesty for the common good. Every effort must be made to ensure that shady business interests do not influence the choices made by government leaders and international bodies. It is unreasonable to penalize those remedies that have proved to be effective, and are often inexpensive, just because one wishes to give priority to treatments or vaccines that are not as good, but which guarantee pharmaceutical companies far greater profits, and exacerbate public health expenditures. Let us also remember, as Pastors, that for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.
We also ask government leaders to ensure that forms of control over people, whether through tracking systems or any other form of location-finding, are rigorously avoided. The fight against Covid-19, however serious, must not be the pretext for supporting the hidden intentions of supranational bodies that have very strong commercial and political interests in this plan. In particular, citizens must be given the opportunity to refuse these restrictions on personal freedom, without any penalty whatsoever being imposed on those who do not wish to use vaccines, contact tracking or any other similar tool. Let us also consider the blatant contradiction of those who pursue policies of drastic population control and at the same time present themselves as the savior of humanity, without any political or social legitimacy. Finally, the political responsibility of those who represent the people can in no way be left to “experts” who can indeed claim a kind of immunity from prosecution, which is disturbing to say the least.
We strongly urge those in the media to commit themselves to providing accurate information and not penalizing dissent by resorting to forms of censorship, as is happening widely on social media, in the press and on television. Providing accurate information requires that room be given to voices that are not aligned with a single way of thinking. This allows citizens to consciously assess the facts, without being heavily influenced by partisan interventions. A democratic and honest debate is the best antidote to the risk of imposing subtle forms of dictatorship, presumably worse than those our society has seen rise and fall in the recent past.
Finally, as Pastors responsible for the flock of Christ, let us remember that the Church firmly asserts her autonomy to govern, worship, and teach. This autonomy and freedom are an innate right that Our Lord Jesus Christ has given her for the pursuit of her proper ends. For this reason, as Pastors we firmly assert the right to decide autonomously on the celebration of Mass and the Sacraments, just as we claim absolute autonomy in matters falling within our immediate jurisdiction, such as liturgical norms and ways of administering Communion and the Sacraments. The State has no right to interfere, for any reason whatsoever, in the sovereignty of the Church. Ecclesiastical authorities have never refused to collaborate with the State, but such collaboration does not authorize civil authorities to impose any sort of ban or restriction on public worship or the exercise of priestly ministry. The rights of God and of the faithful are the supreme law of the Church, which she neither intends to, nor can, abdicate. We ask that restrictions on the celebration of public ceremonies be removed.
We should like to invite all people of good will not to shirk their duty to cooperate for the common good, each according to his or her own state and possibilities and in a spirit of fraternal charity. The Church desires such cooperation, but this cannot disregard either a respect for natural law or a guarantee of individual freedoms. The civil duties to which citizens are bound imply the State’s recognition of their rights.
We are all called to assess the current situation in a way consistent with the teaching of the Gospel. This means taking a stand: either with Christ or against Christ. Let us not be intimidated or frightened by those who would have us believe that we are a minority: Good is much more widespread and powerful than the world would have us believe. We are fighting against an invisible enemy that seeks to divide citizens, to separate children from their parents, grandchildren from their grandparents, the faithful from their pastors, students from teachers, and customers from vendors. Let us not allow centuries of Christian civilization to be erased under the pretext of a virus, and an odious technological tyranny to be established, in which nameless and faceless people can decide the fate of the world by confining us to a virtual reality. If this is the plan to which the powers of this earth intend to make us yield, know that Jesus Christ, King and Lord of History, has promised that “the gates of Hell shall not prevail” (Mt 16:18).
Let us entrust government leaders and all those who rule over the fate of nations to Almighty God, that He may enlighten and guide them in this time of great crisis. May they remember that, just as the Lord will judge us Pastors for the flock which he has entrusted to us, so will He also judge government leaders for the peoples whom they have the duty to defend and govern.
With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness.
8 May 2020
Our Lady of the Rosary of Pompeii
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Troller

Woodpecker

LET us entrust government leaders and all those who rule over the fate of nations to Almighty God, that He may enlighten and guide them in this time of great crisis. May they remember that, just as the Lord will judge us Pastors for the flock which he has entrusted to us, so will He also judge government leaders for the peoples whom they have the duty to defend and govern.
With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness.
Mgr. Carlo Maria Viganò
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
 
@Troller I don't think that Sarah got cold feet. In my opinion he agrees with Vigano but is playing games.
Will come.the moment when bergoglio and his clique will have to leave . At this moment ; Sarah will be in great position. He will say "either you all leave ; either you put me".

I'm firmly convinced that cardinal Sarah could be the new pope reforming everything . Of course we might say that Sarah is in "mortal sin" for compromising himself with heretics and the truth

It is remarkable what Vigano is doing though. The fact that it s the second time that Sarah is changing his mind makes me believe that there is something about him. He is fantastically popular on every continent
 
  • May 7, 2020

APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD
to Catholics and all people of good will

Sign the appeal
Veritas liberabit vos.
Jn 8:32
In this time of great crisis, we Pastors of the Catholic Church, by virtue of our mandate, consider it our sacred duty to make an Appeal to our Brothers in the Episcopate, to the Clergy, to Religious, to the holy People of God and to all men and women of good will. This Appeal has also been undersigned by intellectuals, doctors, lawyers, journalists and professionals who agree with its content, and may be undersigned by those who wish to make it their own.
The facts have shown that, under the pretext of the Covid-19 epidemic, the inalienable rights of citizens have in many cases been violated and their fundamental freedoms, including the exercise of freedom of worship, expression and movement, have been disproportionately and unjustifiably restricted. Public health must not, and cannot, become an alibi for infringing on the rights of millions of people around the world, let alone for depriving the civil authority of its duty to act wisely for the common good. This is particularly true as growing doubts emerge from several quarters about the actual contagiousness, danger and resistance of the virus. Many authoritative voices in the world of science and medicine confirm that the media’s alarmism about Covid-19 appears to be absolutely unjustified.
We have reason to believe, on the basis of official data on the incidence of the epidemic as related to the number of deaths, that there are powers interested in creating panic among the world’s population with the sole aim of permanently imposing unacceptable forms of restriction on freedoms, of controlling people and of tracking their movements. The imposition of these illiberal measures is a disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control.
We also believe that in some situations the containment measures that were adopted, including the closure of shops and businesses, have precipitated a crisis that has brought down entire sectors of the economy. This encourages interference by foreign powers and has serious social and political repercussions. Those with governmental responsibility must stop these forms of social engineering, by taking measures to protect their citizens whom they represent, and in whose interests they have a serious obligation to act. Likewise, let them help the family, the cell of society, by not unreasonably penalizing the weak and elderly, forcing them into a painful separation from their loved ones. The criminalization of personal and social relationships must likewise be judged as an unacceptable part of the plan of those who advocate isolating individuals in order to better manipulate and control them.
We ask the scientific community to be vigilant, so that cures for Covid-19 are offered in honesty for the common good. Every effort must be made to ensure that shady business interests do not influence the choices made by government leaders and international bodies. It is unreasonable to penalize those remedies that have proved to be effective, and are often inexpensive, just because one wishes to give priority to treatments or vaccines that are not as good, but which guarantee pharmaceutical companies far greater profits, and exacerbate public health expenditures. Let us also remember, as Pastors, that for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.
We also ask government leaders to ensure that forms of control over people, whether through tracking systems or any other form of location-finding, are rigorously avoided. The fight against Covid-19, however serious, must not be the pretext for supporting the hidden intentions of supranational bodies that have very strong commercial and political interests in this plan. In particular, citizens must be given the opportunity to refuse these restrictions on personal freedom, without any penalty whatsoever being imposed on those who do not wish to use vaccines, contact tracking or any other similar tool. Let us also consider the blatant contradiction of those who pursue policies of drastic population control and at the same time present themselves as the savior of humanity, without any political or social legitimacy. Finally, the political responsibility of those who represent the people can in no way be left to “experts” who can indeed claim a kind of immunity from prosecution, which is disturbing to say the least.
We strongly urge those in the media to commit themselves to providing accurate information and not penalizing dissent by resorting to forms of censorship, as is happening widely on social media, in the press and on television. Providing accurate information requires that room be given to voices that are not aligned with a single way of thinking. This allows citizens to consciously assess the facts, without being heavily influenced by partisan interventions. A democratic and honest debate is the best antidote to the risk of imposing subtle forms of dictatorship, presumably worse than those our society has seen rise and fall in the recent past.
Finally, as Pastors responsible for the flock of Christ, let us remember that the Church firmly asserts her autonomy to govern, worship, and teach. This autonomy and freedom are an innate right that Our Lord Jesus Christ has given her for the pursuit of her proper ends. For this reason, as Pastors we firmly assert the right to decide autonomously on the celebration of Mass and the Sacraments, just as we claim absolute autonomy in matters falling within our immediate jurisdiction, such as liturgical norms and ways of administering Communion and the Sacraments. The State has no right to interfere, for any reason whatsoever, in the sovereignty of the Church. Ecclesiastical authorities have never refused to collaborate with the State, but such collaboration does not authorize civil authorities to impose any sort of ban or restriction on public worship or the exercise of priestly ministry. The rights of God and of the faithful are the supreme law of the Church, which she neither intends to, nor can, abdicate. We ask that restrictions on the celebration of public ceremonies be removed.
We should like to invite all people of good will not to shirk their duty to cooperate for the common good, each according to his or her own state and possibilities and in a spirit of fraternal charity. The Church desires such cooperation, but this cannot disregard either a respect for natural law or a guarantee of individual freedoms. The civil duties to which citizens are bound imply the State’s recognition of their rights.
We are all called to assess the current situation in a way consistent with the teaching of the Gospel. This means taking a stand: either with Christ or against Christ. Let us not be intimidated or frightened by those who would have us believe that we are a minority: Good is much more widespread and powerful than the world would have us believe. We are fighting against an invisible enemy that seeks to divide citizens, to separate children from their parents, grandchildren from their grandparents, the faithful from their pastors, students from teachers, and customers from vendors. Let us not allow centuries of Christian civilization to be erased under the pretext of a virus, and an odious technological tyranny to be established, in which nameless and faceless people can decide the fate of the world by confining us to a virtual reality. If this is the plan to which the powers of this earth intend to make us yield, know that Jesus Christ, King and Lord of History, has promised that “the gates of Hell shall not prevail” (Mt 16:18).
Let us entrust government leaders and all those who rule over the fate of nations to Almighty God, that He may enlighten and guide them in this time of great crisis. May they remember that, just as the Lord will judge us Pastors for the flock which he has entrusted to us, so will He also judge government leaders for the peoples whom they have the duty to defend and govern.
With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness.
8 May 2020
Our Lady of the Rosary of Pompeii
Sign the appeal
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I've seen it yesterday on a French website and went to the official website.

There is something off about this.

No name of the authors, no name of any congregation, just "Our Lady of the Rosary of Pompeii". You just don't know who wrote it.

Also about the very words of the letter, even if I don't really disagree about what they say, I find it odd that it was written by Catholics. They focus too much on the worldly aspect of the virus.
It could have been written by secular people and you would keep 90% of the letter.

Something's shady about this.
 

Troller

Woodpecker
^
Cardinal Sarah mentions this petition on his twitter:




Prelates and Priests
Mgr. Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop, Apostolic Nuncio (promoter)

Cdl Joseph Zen Ze-kiun, Bishop emeritus of Hong Kong
Cdl Janis Pujats, Archbishop emeritus of Riga
Cdl Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, Prefect emeritus of Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith
Mgr Luigi Negri, Archbishop emeritus of Ferrara-Comacchio
Mgr Joseph Strickland, Bishop of Tyler, Texas
Mgr Thomas Peta, Metropolitan Archbishop of Astana
Mgr Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of Astana
Mgr Jan Pawel Lenga, Archbishop emeritus of Karaganda
Mgr Rene Henry Gracida, Bishop emeritus of Corpus Christi
Mgr Andreas Laun, Auxiliary Bishop of Salzburg
Mgr Robert Muetsaerts, Auxiliary Bishop of Den Bosc

Father Serafino Lanzetta, theologian
Father Alfredo Maria Morselli, theologian
Father Curzio Nitoglia, theologian
Father Guy Pagès
Father Frank Unterhalt, Communio Veritatis
Father Albert Engelmann, editor-in-chief Der Dreizehnte
Father José Arantes de Andrade, Archdiocese of Braga

Journalists, editors, writers
Dr Aldo Maria Valli, journalist
Dr Magdi Cristiano Allam, writer
Dr Giulio Meotti, journalist
Dr Marco Tosatti, journalist
Claudio Messora, director Byoblu.com
Dr Robert Moynihan, writer, journalist
Dr Cesare Sacchetti, journalist
Prof. Giorgio Nicolini, director of Tele Maria
Michael J. Matt, editor The Remnant
John-Henry Westen, co-founder, editor-in-chief LifeSiteNews.com
Vittoria Alliata di Villafranca, journalist and writer
Maria Guarini, editor
Prof. Francesco Lamendola
António Carlos de Azeredo, editor
José Narciso Pinto Soares, editorial counselor
Massimo Rodolfi, writer and editor Draco Edizioni
Riccardo Zenobi, writer
Danilo Quinto, writer
Jeanne Smits, journalist
Olivier Figueras, journalist
Pascal Bernardin, writer

Doctors, immunologists, virologists, researchers
Dr Stefano Montanari, scientific director Nanodiagnostics lab, Modena
Dr Antonietta Gatti, research manager, Nanodiagnostics lab, Modena
Prof. Alessandro Meluzzi, psychiatrist
Dr Anna Rita Iannetti, doctor, PNEI and biointegrated medicine
Dr. Mariano Amici, surgeon
Dr Rosa Maria Roccaforte, cardiologist
Dr Silvana De Mari, doctor
Dr Maria Grazia Sordi, psychologist
Dr Roberto Marrocchesi, nutritionist
Dr Mario Sinisi

Lawyers
Lawyer Robert Francis Kennedy Jr
Dr Angelo Giorgianni, judge
João Freire de Andrade, jurist
Lawyer Francesco Fontana
Lawyer Luigi Valenzise
Lawyer Fabio Candalino
Lawyer Claudio Ademollo
Lawyer Luca Di Fazio
Lawyer Massimo Meridio
Lawyer Gianni T. Battisti
Lawyer Piero Peracchio
Lawyer Paola Bragazzi
Lawyer Luís Freire de Andrade
Lawyer Heitor A. Buchaul
Lawyer Maître André Bonnet
Lawyer Massimo Ronchi

Lectors, teachers and professionals
Hon. Prof. Vittorio Sgarbi, art critic, essayist
Serge Abad-Gallardo, architect DPLG and writer
Prof. Matteo D’Amico
Prof. Mafalda Miranda Barbosa, Coimbra University
Prof. Francesca Maimone
Prof. Martino Mora, philosopher
Prof. Massimo Viglione, historian and essayist
Prof. Elisabetta Sala, teacher and writer
Dr Ing. Alessandro Peracchio
Dr Luca Scantamburlo
Prof. Rosa Maria Bellarmino
Steven Mosher, president Population Research Institute
Prof. Ibsen Noronha, Coimbra University
Ing. Amadeu Teixeira Fernandes
Dr José Filipe Sepúlveda da Fonseca
Dr Alfonso Martone,
Dr Luís Ferrand d’Almeida, translator
Dr Fabrizio Giudici
Dr Antonio Marcantonio
Ing. Roberto Imparato
Guillaume Bernard, legal historian
Dr Philippe Pichot Bravard, legal historian
Prof. Reynald Secher, historian
Olivier Valette, writer
Jean-Pierre Maugendre, Rennaissance Catholique
Diogo de Campos, translator
Emeterio Ferrés Arrospide

Associations
Ora et Labora in Difesa della Vita Association – President Giorgio Celsi
Liberté politique Association – President François Billot de Lochner
Atman Association – President Manuela Baccin
Riprendiamoci Il Pianeta Association – President Magda Piacentini
Movimento 3V – Vaccini Vogliamo Verità – Secretary Luca Teodori
Libera Scelta Association – President Alessandra Bocchi
Iustitia in Veritate Association- Directors
Una Vox Association – President Calogero Cammarata
Comitato Famiglia e Vita – President Franco Rebecchi
Confederazione dei Triarii
AURET, Autismo, Ricerca e Terapie – President Lawyer Roberto Mastalia
Vita al Microscopio Association – President Nino Ferri
Texas Right to Life – Jim Graham
Cleveland Right to Life – Molly Smith
 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Moderator
Society of Saint Pius The X priest appears on Tucker to discuss his lawsuit against NJ governor for not deeming religious services essential:

Nice. Great optics.

This lines up with what @NoMoreTO was saying about traditional churches gaining ground post-COVID. I'm seeing the same thing. Many of the N.O. parishes are hesitating from opening, meanwhile this guy is suing the governor.
 
Baptized into the Catholic church as an infant and raising my children in it, despite the fact that it is an open secret nearly all priests are gay men.
False. Not all the priests are gay, obviously. Have you ever even talked to them? About 400,000 priests on earth and you gunna just flat out say they are all gay? Really? I normally wouldn't reply to such nonsense, but deserves to be pointed out that that's nonsense. Yeah the Church has had problems, and some convicted, but the blanket generalization is what they want you believe. I suggest you pray on it.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
A lot of the problem is that most of the Boomer generation priests have dropped out starting in the 1960s and 70s and gotten married, swayed by the zeitgeist of that time. The homos remained and thus their percentage grew.
 
As much as the Pope losing his temper above is bad, it is really the least of our worries as Catholics related to his papacy. She legitimately yoinked his arm and it could have hurt, but I don't really think that is what happened. This is the type of thing that will go viral, but even good people can lose their temper at moments. To me this video below from a while back is harder to swallow because of the intentionality of it.



Other Issues:
-The real issue was that the woman was apparently Chinese, asking the Pope to help them as he has gone to bed with the Communist government and allowed the Catholic Bishops there to be appointed by atheist Communist Government.
- Papal Encyclical Amoris Latitia: states that couples in irregular circumstances (living together in sin) can receive communion, than refusing to answer clarifying questions (the dubia).
- A couple of weeks ago he told some Italian school kids they shouldn't evangelize their muslim classmates
- Pacha mamma and his book "Our Mother Earth".
- Being part of UN Agenda 2030
- Referring to Traditional types as 'Rigid'.
- Pushing back against tradition in every way, his garment, lack of red shoes and specifically when pilgrams wish to kiss his ring, and he refuses it (shown above)

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED
Great summary
 
Is there a Red-Pill Catholic/Orthodox site? It seems that Return of Kings would be a brilliant resource. As NoMoreTO was saying above, we need to hammer out a red-pill discussion on both churchs' approach to Communism, environmentalism and the Sexual Revolution - which is probably the biggest blow that we have dealt the human ecology since we invented farming. The abuse of mercy, Amoris Laetitia and so forth all need to be examined in its context. I used to write for Return of Kings and Roosh, old boy - if you're reading this - I've got an article called 'The Vatican's sellout to the Sexual Revolution' which I, as a baptised Catholic but practising Orthodox, want challenged from both sides.
 

Errol

Pigeon
I think OnePeterFive is probably the best of mainstream catholic perspective.
The Remnant is also good from a TLM perspective.
I don't know if I would describe either of them as red-pilled, and both have an unfortunate tendency go on long-winded rants.
I think EMJ's gradual growth in popularity is primarily due to his providing an abundance of very interesting but little discussed historical examples that convincingly illustrate his points.
While I prefer his video content to his printed journal, he might actually be a good candidate for submitting your article to if its appropriate.
His printing this article from Laramie Hirsch makes me think he may be open to it.

I too miss RoK, as it got me through a lot of tough times, and provided a platform for saying a lot of things I always thought needed to be said.
I think perhaps Roosh has something good going on with this forum by providing a place where young traditional-minded disillusioned christian men can actually discuss things that need to be discussed.
Certainly the Church does little to reach this demographic, and basically just takes them for granted while more or less trying to court the AWFL demographic, without asking the basic question of why men should want to pursue them.
 

Hannibal

Ostrich
Gold Member
I was raised Catholic but I disdained it as a child out of arrogance and an unwillingness to wake up at 5 am to get all the farmwork done and then go to mass at 7:00. I went every Sunday for as long as I lived at my parents house (18-19ish) but then quit going and declared myself an atheist to anger my somewhat abusive mother.

Current events have made me consider getting back in touch with my faith. To be honest, I did not have much to begin with. What is the best way to go about this?

I currently work weekend nights (6 pm to 6am) but if regular mass is necessary I will look into what is available in my area.
 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Moderator
I was raised Catholic but I disdained it as a child out of arrogance and an unwillingness to wake up at 5 am to get all the farmwork done and then go to mass at 7:00. I went every Sunday for as long as I lived at my parents house (18-19ish) but then quit going and declared myself an atheist to anger my somewhat abusive mother.

Current events have made me consider getting back in touch with my faith. To be honest, I did not have much to begin with. What is the best way to go about this?

I currently work weekend nights (6 pm to 6am) but if regular mass is necessary I will look into what is available in my area.
I'm sure the rest of the thread will agree, but most of us recommend finding a parish that practices the Traditional Latin Mass. This is the easiest way to find a traditional, un-pozzed parish.

You don't have to dox so here's a good resource: http://www.latinmasstimes.com/

Regarding "what is the best way to go about this?" .... just start going. Like you I was a lapsed Catholic for most of my life. When I wanted to get back into it, I didn't set up this grand plan to find the perfect church, join a men's bible study, or anything like that. I just started going. That first step is the hardest.

Also, welcome home.
 

Errol

Pigeon
I certainly agree that finding a Traditional Latin Mass parish is certainly the most surefire way to find an un-pozzed parish.
I for one recommend finding an FSSP parish if possible in the US: https://www.fssp.org/en/
Also, redbeard is definitely right that it is probably best not to overthink it and just start going.
However, if the latin mass isn't available in your area, but you have a choice of other options, I would take a look at which parish offers the most hours for confession.
This is the best indicator I know that the priest takes the sacraments seriously, and thus believes his parish is more than just a social club.
Once you have figured that out, attend mass a few times and see what you think of the priest's homilies.
Perhaps try to talk with him after mass, and once you have a sense he is a good man, I would approach him and explain your situation and that you want to be brought back into union with the church.

Also, perhaps not the most appropriate for the Catholic Church thread, but I am really starting to think there is something to Jesse Lee Peterson's going and forgiving your mother thing.
I haven't done it myself, but I've come to believe there is something in female nature that inherently makes them all at least somewhat abusive mothers, even if only psychologically.
So perhaps the more abusive, the stronger the need to perform an explicit act of forgiveness!
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Is there a Red-Pill Catholic/Orthodox site? It seems that Return of Kings would be a brilliant resource. As NoMoreTO was saying above, we need to hammer out a red-pill discussion on both churchs' approach to Communism, environmentalism and the Sexual Revolution - which is probably the biggest blow that we have dealt the human ecology since we invented farming. The abuse of mercy, Amoris Laetitia and so forth all need to be examined in its context. I used to write for Return of Kings and Roosh, old boy - if you're reading this - I've got an article called 'The Vatican's sellout to the Sexual Revolution' which I, as a baptised Catholic but practising Orthodox, want challenged from both sides.
Regina Magazine on Facebook (they may be on other social media sites as well) is pretty good.
 
I always understood it that American Catholics are the "rebels" of the RCC, in large part because they defiantly used birth control to limit their family size.

The Catholic Church is steadily hemorrhaging members, here in the Philippines, due to Evangelical evangelism, the child molesting priest backlash, and demanding payment for a quick annulment, that does not require a decade long wait. But I do have a good impression of the priests I have seen. Oh, and they do not seem openly gay, like some of the ones I remember back in America. Even here, a bastion of Catholicism, there is a shortage of priests, and I have seen a few from faraway Africa. I guess Africa will be the new Ireland, when it comes to the place where many priests will originate.

I've heard so many accounts of beautiful neighborhood RCC buildings being sold in the United States, so that the RCC could cover the massive costs of their child molestation settlements. I recently saw a heartbreaking documentary made by an aged Italian-American Catholic, who discussed the RCC church structure his parents and community helped pay for and build, which was sold for such a reason. He was given the complete run-around as he tried to discuss the matter, with church authorities. It was horrible...

I have fond memories of being a young Catholic boy, and after Mass, we would all go downstairs, and eat donuts and coffee/milk. This gave the priests some time to socialize and find out what was going on in the lives of their congregation members. But in a nation of so many Catholics, and so few priests by comparison, I suppose doing this in the Philippines would prove very unwieldy.
 
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