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Nemausus

Woodpecker
Gold Member

ROME — People’s “gender identity” is given to them by God and is directly tied to their biological sex, the Vatican has declared in a major catechetical text published this week.

A fundamental problem with modern gender theory is that it denies a core biblical truth, namely that God creates human beings “male and female,” states the new, 300-page Directory for Catechesis published by the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization.

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The new Directory echoes the sharp criticism of gender theory voiced by Pope Francis over the years, which has earned him the derision of many LGBT activists.

In 2016, the pope published a lengthy teaching text on marriage and the family called The Joy of Love (Amoris Laetitia) in which he underscored the unique value of motherhood and fatherhood, neither of which is dispensable or replaceable with a unisex version of “parent.”

In that document, Francis slammed gender theory for its denial of “the difference and reciprocity in nature of a man and a woman,” and for its dream of “a society without sexual differences.”

“An appreciation of our body as male or female,” he said, is “necessary for our own self-awareness in an encounter with others different from ourselves.” Efforts to cancel out sexual differences based in anatomy are a symptom of a sick society that “no longer knows how to deal” with sexual differentiation, he wrote.

The following year the pope issued a similar condemnation, denouncing what he called the “unisex utopia” of the LGBT lobby.
 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Moderator
If you aren't already, now is a great time to get involved in your parish. Specifically with the ushers/security group or Knights of Columbus. Churches and Catholic statues are being targeted by antifa/BLM. You don't want to get caught with your pants down. Plus, this is a great way to meet other red-pilled men (vets, cops, etc.).

“It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.”

 

Errol

Pigeon
Good stuff to consider in that clip.
I second that notion that the KoC are an underappreciated means for catholic men all across the US to get involved in their communities and is ripe for being taken over by younger red-pilled guys.
I became third degree in my mid-20's in your typical suburban parish, and they were more than thrilled to have young blood who participated with them in their social and charitable activities.
If I stuck around, there is no doubt they would have tried to get me to become the Grand Knight within ten years, and I'm pretty sure they are struggling to get former GK's to take on the job again now.
I think most younger guys view the KoC as a drinking club for aging boomers and war vets, which it is, but most of those folks are good salt of the earth blue collar types, who do have life experiences worth learning from, and potentially great connections in their communities.
Actually, it was a little bit of a downer to learn how many of those types really are the living legacy of the sixties, and basically think America is nothing but a force for good in the world, but basically they side with the right on the mainstream culture wars issues for the last couple of decades, so while it typically will surprise them you hold more conservative views than they do, they will not be unwelcoming because of that.
With all the talk of parishes closing in the near future, these sort of groups will be sure to go first, so they are absolutely ripe right now to be taken over by young guys to reshape them.
The KoC has plenty of warts now to keep red-pilled men away, but if enough good men start putting these groups to real work, the organization will eventually be forced to listen to its constituency if it wants to continue to exist.
 

NoMoreTO

Pelican
A priest is given the boot for criticizing BLM from the pulpit. A dangerous precedent. More placating to the crowd. Is the Catholic Church asking for its Churches to be burned like Democrats ? Do they want the mob? So disheartening, to see such weakness in the bishops, first to Corona and now to BLM.

Rev. Theodore Rothrock of St. Elizabeth Seton Catholic Church in Carmel described organizers of the Marxist, gay activist, anti-nuclear family organization as "maggots and parasites."
"The Bishop expresses pastoral concern for the affected communities," the diocese said in a statement Wednesday, reported the Indianapolis Star newspaper. "The suspension offers the Bishop an opportunity for pastoral discernment for the good of the diocese and for the good of Father Rothrock."
Priest suspended for denouncing BLM
 
A priest is given the boot for criticizing BLM from the pulpit. A dangerous precedent. More placating to the crowd. Is the Catholic Church asking for its Churches to be burned like Democrats ? Do they want the mob? So disheartening, to see such weakness in the bishops, first to Corona and now to BLM.





Priest suspended for denouncing BLM
If it’s any consolation, I’ve seen the Assembly Of Canonical Orthodox Bishops agree on exactly two things:

1. White people who want to exist are evil, and
2. White people are still evil.

So it’s not just a Catholic problem.
 

Troller

Woodpecker

only ex cathedra doctrines is infallible


Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the pope when appealing to his highest authority is preserved from the possibility of error on doctrine "initially given to the apostolic Church and handed down in Scripture and tradition".[1] This doctrine was defined dogmatically at the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870 in the document Pastor aeternus, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[2]
The doctrine of infallibility relies on one of the cornerstones of Catholic dogma: that of papal supremacy, and his authority as the ruling agent who decides what are accepted as formal beliefs in the Roman Catholic Church.[3]The use of this power is referred to as speaking ex cathedra.[4] The solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican Itook place on 18 July 1870.

Since that time, the only example of an ex cathedra decree took place in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith.[5]Prior to the solemn definition of 1870, the only agreed upon infallible definition of a pope apart from a council was that of the Immaculate Conception by Pope Pius IX in Ineffabilis Deusof 1854.[6][7][8] In both cases the pope checked with bishops worldwide that this was the belief of the Church before proceeding to a formal definition.[9]


Conditions for teachings being declared infallibleEdit
According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra papal teaching are as follows:

  1. the Roman Pontiff (the Pope alone or with the College of Bishops)
  2. speaks ex cathedra, that is, when, (in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority,) he defines a doctrine
    1. concerning faith or morals
    2. to be held by the whole Church.[13]
The terminology of a definitive decree usually makes clear that this last condition is fulfilled, as through a formula such as "By the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by Our own authority, We declare, pronounce and define the doctrine . . . to be revealed by God and as such to be firmly and immutably held by all the faithful," or through an accompanying anathema stating that anyone who deliberately dissents is outside the Catholic Church.[14]

For example, in 1950, with Munificentissimus Deus, Pope Pius XII's infallible definition regarding the Assumption of Mary, there are attached these words: "Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which We have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith."[15]

As with all charisms, the church teaches that the charism of papal infallibility must be properly discerned, though only by the Church's leaders.[16][17] The way to know if something a pope says is infallible or not is to discern if they are ex cathedra teachings. Also considered infallible are the teachings of the whole body of bishops of the Church, especially but not only in an ecumenical council[18] (see Infallibility of the Church).

LimitsEdit
Pastor aeternus does not allow any infallibility for the Church or Pope for new doctrines. Any doctrines defined must be "conformable with Sacred Scripture and Apostolic Traditions":

For the Holy Spirit was not promised to the successors of Peter that by His revelation they might make known new doctrine, but that by His assistance they might inviolably keep and faithfully expound the Revelation, the Deposit of Faith, delivered through the Apostles.
It gives examples of the kinds of consultations that are appropriate include assembling Ecumenical Councils, asking for the mind of the church scattered around the world, Synods, and so on.

Not all Catholic teaching is infallible. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faithdifferentiates three kinds of doctrine:[19]

  • to be believed as divinely revealed (for example, the doctrines in the Creed)
  • to be held definitely (for example, the doctrine of papal infallibility itself)
    • following a solemn defining act by a Pope or Ecumenical council
    • following a non-defining act by a Pope, confirming or re-affirming a thing taught by the ordinary and universal teaching authority of bishops worldwide
  • otherwise, to be respected or submitted to (in the case of priests and religious) as part of the ordinary teaching authority of bishops, but without any claim of infallibility.
In July 2005 Pope Benedict XVI stated during an impromptu address to priests in Aosta that: "The Pope is not an oracle; he is infallible in very rare situations, as we know."[20] Pope John XXIII once remarked: "I am only infallible if I speak infallibly but I shall never do that, so I am not infallible."[21] A doctrine proposed by a pope as his own opinion, not solemnly proclaimed as a doctrine of the Church, may be rejected as false, even if it is on a matter of faith and morals, and even more any view he expresses on other matters. A well-known example of a personal opinion on a matter of faith and morals that was taught by a pope but rejected by the Church is the view that Pope John XXII expressed on when the dead can reach the beatific vision.[22] The limitation on the pope's infallibility "on other matters" is frequently illustrated by Cardinal James Gibbons's recounting how the pope mistakenly called him Jibbons.[23]
 
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budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member
Two Churches were being targeted this past week.

Church #1 - San Gabriel Mission in California



An early morning fire caused extensive damage Saturday to the nearly 250-year-old San Gabriel Mission, a landmark in the history of Southern California that contains artifacts dating to the late 1700s.
The fire was reported at about 4:30 a.m. Firefighters arrived to find flames inside the church building.

Negrete told the Times that the roof of the Mission is completely gone. The interior up to the altar is completely destroyed, he said.

The altar is the original, which was handcrafted in Mexico City and brought to the Mission in the 1790s. The interior is filled with items of historic importance, including handcarved statues brought to Southern California from Spain in the 1790s.

The building's floors, walls and domed ceiling are original.
The church's interior wall had just been redone about a week ago and pews were installed as part of a renovation to mark the 1771 founding, said Terri Huerta, a spokeswoman for the Mission. She called it a "little bit of a miracle" that firefighters prevented flames from reaching the altar.

The church was scheduled to reopen next weekend after a four-month closure due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The Mission was founded on Sept. 8, 1771 and became a site of significant historic importance in Southern California. Built with stone, brick and mortar, it's considered one of the best preserved Missions in California.

It was damaged in an 1804 earthquake, forcing its arches to be taken down so a new roof could be installed. Another earthquake damaged the building in 1812, destroying the bell tower. The 1987 Whittier Narrows earthquake also caused damage, as did the 1994 Northridge quake.

The church was the fourth mission established throughout California by Franciscan priest Junipero Serra, the Roman Catholic priest criticized for his mistreatment of Native Americans. Statues of him have been defaced in protest for years, and statues in San Francisco, LA and Sacramento were among those toppled during recent protests for social justice.

The San Gabriel Mission moved its bronze statue of Serra from the front of the church to a location out of public view.

Church #2 - Ocala, Florida


The Marion County Sheriff’s Office has detained a person for questioning. The church was occupied at the time, but no injuries have been reported.

A man threw some type of incendiary device into Queen of Peace Catholic Church off State Road 200 on Saturday. People inside were setting up for Mass at the time, but no one was injured.

A suspect was apprehended in the 5900 block of South Pine Avenue. The Marion County Sheriff’s Office said the man is being interviewed and the investigation is ongoing. The FBI, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement have joined local officials in that investigation.

About 7:30 a.m. Saturday, a man drove up in a minivan and crashed through the front doors of the church, 6455 SW SR 200. He got out, threw some type of device into the main area of the building, and a fire started, the Sheriff’s Office said.

Marion County Fire Rescue said it received the call at 7:35 a.m. and was on scene five minutes later. The fire was under control by 7:47 a.m. Photos provided by the Sheriff’s Office show extensive damage inside the church building.
 
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A Roman Catholic theologian I have never heard of... Peter Kreeft, an author of countless books, including one on surfing!

Kreeft.jpg

The man is currently 83, so this is an old picture.

Conversion story
"Kreeft converted to Catholicism during his college years.[9] A key turning point was when he was asked by a Calvinist professor to investigate the claims of the Catholic Church that it traced itself to the early Church. He said that on his own, he "discovered in the early Church such Catholic elements as the centrality of the Eucharist, the Real Presence, prayers to saints, devotion to Mary, an insistence on visible unity, and apostolic succession."[10]

"The "central and deciding" factor for his conversion was "the Church's claim to be the one Church historically founded by Christ."[10] He reportedly applied C. S. Lewis's trilemma (either Jesus is Lunatic, Liar, or Lord): "I thought, just as Jesus made a claim about His identity that forces us into one of only two camps ... so the Catholic Church’s claim to be the one true Church, the Church Christ founded, forces us to say either that this is the most arrogant, blasphemous and wicked claim imaginable, if it is not true, or else that she is just what she claims to be."[11]

"According to Kreeft's personal account, his conversion to Catholicism was influenced by, among other things, Gothic architecture and Thomistic philosophy, the writings of St. John of the Cross, the logic of asking saints to pray for us, and a visit to St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City when he was twelve years old, "feeling like I was in heaven ... and wondering why, if Catholics got everything else wrong, as I had been taught, they got beauty so right..."[12]

I like that final statement.

 
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